Moment Of Truth :---

[Crusher]

We are not here to die Like our Sultan Tipu---.

I also hate when pakistanis here on this forum always parrot that we pakistanis are willing to "die" in case of war, that is one of the most rubbish way of thinking about a war. You don't enter in the war with the thought of "dying" but rather you enter in the war to make your enemy die and ensure your own survival.

 

[Cent4]

The problem with you kids and adults is that you want to die fighting like TIPU SULTAN---.

But what I am trying to tell you is fight like Mahmud Ghaznavi---fight like Babur---fight like Abdali.

Please expand on this. What is wrong with fighting like Tipu Sultan ?

I also hate when pakistanis here on this forum always parrot that we pakistanis are willing to "die" in case of war, that is one of the most rubbish way of thinking about a war. You don't enter in the war with the thought of "dying" but rather you enter in the war to make your enemy die and ensure your own survival.

You need to be willing to die to come out as a Victor. The concept of becoming Shaheed is more complicated then this.
Going into a fight with a "Win" in mind means that there is also a possibility/acceptance of loss in your mind.

 

[Humble Analyst]

He is saying be a winner a Ghazi, the strategy should be to win not die trying

 

[SIPRA]

Please expand on this. What is wrong with fighting like Tipu Sultan ?

I believe that all these people fail to realize that, as a warrior, Sultan Tipu has a far far higher stature, although he lost the final war, as well as his life, as compared to Ghaznavi, Babur and Abdali, who were conquerors, in the mind of general public. This is an undeniable fact.

these are people of ignorance or are propagandists
rather than living like bahadur shah rangeela, sheikh haseena, mujib, maldives, bhutan they would go down fighting like tipu sultan. when a person says that, is he admitting defeat ? or sending a message?

The message was clear that, if it came to that, we would fight to death, for our freedom, sovereignty and honor. There cannot possibly be any better example than Sultan Tipu, as far as Muslim history is concerned.

 

[Reddington]

Hi,

If you agree---please find a way to spread this message of mine around---all over pakistan---.

We are not here to die Like our Sultan Tipu---.

We are the sons of the soil that has seen the likes of Ghaznavi---Abdali---Ghauri---. We live to conquer---.

I also hate when pakistanis here on this forum always parrot that we pakistanis are willing to "die" in case of war, that is one of the most rubbish way of thinking about a war. You don't enter in the war with the thought of "dying" but rather you enter in the war to make your enemy die and ensure your own survival.

Totally agreed. This is a defeatist mentality. Tipu no matter how bravely he fought, or how good an administrator he was, in the end he was nothing but a LOSER!!!!

Btw, Tipu forgave Mir Sadiq the Traitor; so he deserved what he got. In the end, hardly anyone outside of subcontinent or even in here remembers Tipu the Loser.

But conquerors like Ghaznavi, Ghori, Babar and Abdali, on whom we have named our missiles as well, should be our heroes and we should be taking our inspiration from them to teach gangooz another humiliating lesson. Even gangooz who hate these conquerors remembers them.

 

[Humble Analyst]

these are people of ignorance or are propagandists
rather than living like bahadur shah rangeela, sheikh haseena, mujib, maldives, bhutan they would go down fighting like tipu sultan. when a person says that, is he admitting defeat ? or sending a message?

This is a misunderstanding he is not saying Tipu was not great but saying try to be Ghazi not die trying I am disappointed at misunderstanding and he should have given a better example.

 

[MastanKhan]

So blame Benazir and the Khabees Zardari for it. They wanted the price to be inflated by 10 million per plane. The file kep waiting on Benazir's desk for 3 months. I guess that was also PAFs fault!!!. As I have mentioned many times before after the fall of Benazir Government Leghari sent the order through . At that stage the french withdrew their offer. Was it another case of the Sarkozi-Zardari combination screwing Paklands? you make your own decisions

Hi,

1. See---that is what it came down to---the fortune of our nation---$10 million per aircraft---$360-$400 million in bribe---or take it in a different manner either 5 aircraft or 6 aircraft---.

So---instead of the 40 aircraft we would have had either 34 or 35---more advanced M2K's rather than the 40---.

So---ask yourself---would the 34 or 35 extra aircraft had made a difference---.

And once you had gone that way of the M2K's---you would have kept on adding---.

2. We also find out that timing was an issue---there was no urgency shown either---. The deal took too much time in the making---.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

banning them waz just a temporary show of whatever it was. they are slowly being reinstated

If we can't do something as simple as ban indians properly on PDF then why do so many people here expect Pakistan to effectively fight off an enemy that is more than 7× bigger than us and has the full backing if the West and Russia?........

 

[MastanKhan]

As irrational as your post maybe,

I just need you to provide evidence to back up the highlighted parts.

and remember I asked for facts, not your "thoughts" nor assumption.

Hi,

Yeah----they have type written files sitting in their office---they are waiting for the power to come to make copies and send them to me---.

 

[Humble Analyst]

I believe that all these people fail to realize that, as a warrior, Sultan Tipu has a far far higher stature, although he lost the final war, as well as his life, as compared to Ghaznavi, Babur and Abdali, who were conquerors, in the mind of general public. This is an undeniable fact.



The message was clear that, if it came to that, we would fight to death, for our freedom, sovereignty and honor. There cannot possibly be any better example than Sultan Tipu, as far as Muslim history is concerned.

Where did he say become like Rangeela? Tipu believed that French will help him against British but Napoleon was facing problems so French never helped him. Be realistic and read history without emotions and with intelligence.
The problem in Pakistan is we are taught history without all the facts and with a bunch of sentiments and emotions. It is taught at such an age that it lasts lifetime and if somebody points to facts we say how dare he talk against our hero.
I do not think that everybody can grasp the facts until one can study facts objectively and with tolerance.

 

[Armchair]

MK isn't drunk.
@messiach has said that she feels Pak has been sabotaged from the top. Why would she say that?
Ask yourself that

 

[SIPRA]

Where did he say become like Rangeela? Tipu believed that French will help him against British but Napoleon was facing problems so French never helped him. Be realistic and read history without emotions and with intelligence.
The problem in Pakistan is we are taught history without all the facts and with a bunch of sentiments and emotions. It is taught at such an age that it lasts lifetime and if somebody points to facts we say how dare he talk against our hero.
I do not think that everybody can grasp the facts until one can study facts objectively and with tolerance.

Kindly read my posts again, which you are quoting. Your post has hardly any relevance with them. I have not mentioned any Rangeela. It appears that you are quoting me, but answering to some other poster. I have not dvelved into any history.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Kindly read my posts again, which you are quoting. Your post has hardly any relevance with them. I have not mentioned any Rangeela. It appears that you are quoting me, but answering to some other poster. I have not dvelved into any history.

That is a possibility and if I have done so I apologize I was answering the person who was mentioning Mohammad Shah Rangeela

Maybe this video might help

https://www.facebook.com/

Awesome have seen it before too haha

To all the armchair warriors

Simple question...look at what you do for a living...
Then ask yourself what have you done for your country?

Then shut the F up about the force that protects you whilst you sleep.

Listening to a drunk that lives in america and getting on his band wagon doesnt make you cool. It shows those than can do do and those that cant bark. PAF is doing it and you are barking.

Haha someone who is so right that cannot take the criticism and until cannot take it things will never improve.

 

[SIPRA]

this is chastisement for replying to me in an agreeable/kindly manner @ https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/moment-of-truth.630956/page-9#post-11696589

It is OK. I agree with, what you said. However, there is a small error in your post. You have mixed the names of Mohammad Shah Rangeela and Bahadar Shah Zafar.

 

[IceCold]

Nothing unusual. Veterans are often senile.

Hey! I am a veteran too......