Mohajir province need of the hour: MST

[BelligerentPacifist]

Ok - If you want to maintain your ethnic identity than go with the original one

whats wrong with urdu speakers?...

That it isn't an 'ethnic' identity!

 

[ice_man]

karachiite is for every one who lives in karachi, like younus khan, shahid afridi, zaheer abbas

as long as they don't say ANYTHING ANTI MQM! the problem is every ethnic group has ALL THE RIGHT TO BE RESPECTED! from HAZARE's to the balochis to MEMOMs & PARSIS!


but for MQM "MUHAJIR's" are only the ones that support MQM! the rest are not muhajir's! why is that??? reason is DIVIDE is created by MQM and it thrives on that divide!

tell me are memons muhajir's? answer is yes but do they complain? ANSWER NO! are the memons ruling KARACHI in terms of business again answer is YES!

who collects bhatta from memons and parsis MQM! all memon builders pay bhatta to MQM.

 

[Hello_10]

My Grand father migrated from Indian Punjab, Left his 10 Kanal bungalow and agricultural land and came to Pakistan, lived in poverty most of life because My Grand Grand father didnt didn't bribed the Munshi and he didn't allocated any land to them and my grand father worked as electrician lived in two room house against what he used to live in Indian Punjab until his sons provided him somewhat comfortable life when they started doing work and still he didn't regret living India nor he call himself a mohajir and all our family speak Urdu instead of Punjabi in our house.

Why is that All the muhajirs integrated well in Punjab and those wo live in Karachi are still nagging about it!

One question I would like to ask from personal level, “it was never a doubt that India got freedom as a ‘non-religious’ nation while Pakistan as ‘Islamic’ country. So, I find few migrating to Pakistan in 1947 on the basis of a dreamed Islamic nation but had nothing to lose in India then its OK. But if your family had so much wealth, then what was the reason to leave all behind and come on the position of begging in Pakistan?” I mean, there were many Indian Muslim leaders who proud to say themselves Indian and remained in India, like ‘Bharat Ratna’ Abul Kalam Azad, then why was any fear, if any, in Muhajir Muslims to go to Pakistan? Mr Azad was even closer to Netaji S.C.Bose than Mr Gandhi?

In 1938, Azad served as an intermediary between the supporters of Gandhi and the Congress faction led by Congress President Subhash Bose, who criticised Gandhi for not launching another rebellion against the British and sought to move the Congress away from Gandhi's leadership.

Azad, Patel and Gandhi at an AICC meeting in Bombay, 1940

"...Full eleven centuries have passed by since then. Islam has now as great a claim on the soil of India as Hinduism. If Hinduism has been the religion of the people here for several thousands of years Islam also has been their religion for a thousand years. Just as a Hindu can say with pride that he is an Indian and follows Hinduism, so also we can say with equal pride that we are Indians and follow Islam. I shall enlarge this orbit still further. The Indian Christian is equally entitled to say with pride that he is an Indian and is following a religion of India, namely Christianity."[10]

Azad had grown increasingly hostile to Jinnah, who had described him as the "Muslim Lord Haw-Haw" and a "Congress Showboy."[14] Despite being a learned scholar of Islam and a Maulana, Azad had been assailed by Muslim religious leaders for his commitment to nationalism and secularism[dubious – discuss], which were deemed un-Islamic.[citation needed] Muslim League politicians accused Azad of allowing Muslims to be culturally and politically dominated by the Hindu community. Azad continued to proclaim his faith in Hindu-Muslim unity:[15]

"I am proud of being an Indian. I am part of the indivisible unity that is Indian nationality. I am indispensable to this noble edifice and without me this splendid structure is incomplete. I am an essential element, which has gone to build India. I can never surrender this claim."

His Birthday, November 11 is celebrated as National Education Day in India.

Abul Kalam Azad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hindu/ Sikh migration is justified on the point that Islamic Pakistan had not much to offer them and the motto of Pakistan to become a Islamic nation only. Any minority may get top position of India like President/ PM/General/ Top Judge/ CM etc in India, as there is no law which make difference on the basis of religion in India? Didn’t you people heard about many top stars like cricket captain Nawab Pataudi etc, see his son Saif Ali Khan has also got the title of Nawab recently while being in India? What exactly your grandparents had to lose while being in India? And yes there was little bit violence that time then it was for everyone, and laws were always there. and also, there was little bit risk while walking towards border also that time, so why taking risk for losing all behind in India? in fact, the country India was never any threat for Muslims?

 

[Sugarcane]

......... in fact, the country India was never any threat for Muslims?

Really - Still millions were killed in 47, anyway your post is not related to topic and will turn this thread to India vs Pakistan battle field

 

[pak-marine]

 

[A1Kaid]

muhajir CURRENTLY in pakistan are only the AFGHAN refugees! everyone born and raised up in pakistan who has loyalties TO pakistan are pakistanis!!

even in the prophet's time the Muhajiriyin of Mecca were pivotal in madinah! and most of them made madinah there true home and died there! no one doubted their loyalties to Madinah! infact even when given the chance to return to Mecca they preferred to live in Madinah!


So urdu speaking are AS PAKISTANI as anyone else!! and any leader or their follower calling the urdu speaking muhajir or non pakistani should be executed!

Don't get so carried away...

everyone born and raised up in pakistan who has loyalties TO pakistan are pakistanis!!

Many of the older generations of Urdu Speakers weren't born in Pakistan.


The problem with "Urdu speaker" is it doesn't really mean anything definitive. People can be from one of the main ethnic groups of Pakistan and speak Urdu, that makes them an "Urdu speaker", many of us also speak English that makes us "English speakers". The people from India calling themselves "Urdu speaker" need to state their actual ethnicity like Bihari, Kamboh- Uttar Pradesh, or whatever other ethnic group they originate from. The classification "Urdu speaker" is a linguistic one and not ethnic one, that is the main point.

So on these people's birth certificates if they were Pakistani born or wherever should state their ethnicity clearly. "Urdu speaker" doesn't tell us anything.

 

[truthseer]

So on these people's birth certificates if they were Pakistani born or wherever should state their ethnicity clearly. "Urdu speaker" doesn't tell us anything.

So what should we state?

 

[A1Kaid]

So what should we state?

Your actual ethnicity, ethnic origin. For example, if your from Bihar or your place of ethnic origin is there you would state Bihari.

 

[truthseer]

Your actual ethnicity, ethnic origin. For example, if your from Bihar or your place of ethnic origin is there you would state Bihari.

Lame idea! Why's ethnicity is required in the first place?

 

[A1Kaid]

Lame idea! Why's ethnicity is required in the first place?

It's not a lame idea, rather it is important for demographic reasons and data collection on the diverse population. It should be mandated. Why do you think it is a "lame idea"? Just as name, gender, nationality, city & country of birth, eye color, hair color, are put on the Birth certificate, so should ethnicity.

 

[darkinsky]

Don't get so carried away...



Many of the older generations of Urdu Speakers weren't born in Pakistan.


The problem with "Urdu speaker" is it doesn't really mean anything definitive. People can be from one of the main ethnic groups of Pakistan and speak Urdu, that makes them an "Urdu speaker", many of us also speak English that makes us "English speakers". The people from India calling themselves "Urdu speaker" need to state their actual ethnicity like Bihari, Kamboh- Uttar Pradesh, or whatever other ethnic group they originate from. The classification "Urdu speaker" is a linguistic one and not ethnic one, that is the main point.

So on these people's birth certificates if they were Pakistani born or wherever should state their ethnicity clearly. "Urdu speaker" doesn't tell us anything.

punjabis have many castes gujjar, butt, niazi, etc etc , but they are punjabis after all aint they??

whats the point of not calling urdu speakers, urdu is our native language and not bihari and uttar pardeshi or hyderabadi, urdu is native to bihar and UP etc, im a bihari and i proudly say that, but whats the point of 'NOT' calling urdu speakers

if you think urdu speakers are afriad of calling themselves bihari for instance than you are grossly wrong, even our family marries outside bihari family

urdu speakers have mixed up and have a great culture in common which we call karachi culture

as for stating ethnicity in birth certificate, well do we state im punjabi, brahvi etc in our ID cards, its just pakistani

A1kaid, you are a maniac, after calling karachi a jewish city, you need mental hospital and some maturity before resuming here

 

[truthseer]

It's not a lame idea, rather it is important for demographic reasons and data collection on the diverse population. It should be mandated. Why do you think it is a "lame idea"? Just as name, gender, nationality, city & country of birth, eye color, hair color, are put on the Birth certificate, so should ethnicity.

Why? What has ethnicity to do with anything? What's next? Should we put in the salary of the parents on the birth certificate too? Or their shirt size?

 

[Mav3rick]

as long as they don't say ANYTHING ANTI MQM! the problem is every ethnic group has ALL THE RIGHT TO BE RESPECTED! from HAZARE's to the balochis to MEMOMs & PARSIS!


but for MQM "MUHAJIR's" are only the ones that support MQM! the rest are not muhajir's! why is that??? reason is DIVIDE is created by MQM and it thrives on that divide!

tell me are memons muhajir's? answer is yes but do they complain? ANSWER NO! are the memons ruling KARACHI in terms of business again answer is YES!

who collects bhatta from memons and parsis MQM! all memon builders pay bhatta to MQM.

You are a compulsive liar. So many times I have to butt in just because the other members need to be told the truth!

Memons support MQM as much as any other Karachiitte! You have never been able to prove anything, even once but you continue with your lies and stories. Your attitude is disgraceful and immoral!

 

[darkinsky]

memons are not even separate they are urdu speakers, they dont even speak gujrati any more, for example edhi is from gujrat etc

 

[truthseer]

memons are not even separate they are urdu speakers, they dont even speak gujrati any more, for example edhi is from gujrat etc

Exactly. For example, ethnically, we're Kokans. But we speak Urdu now and have no link to that culture other than the food