Mohajir province need of the hour: MST

[SQ8]

Anyone who came out of the orignal documented wave of migrants and does not have a proof of ancestor contribution to the state either in terms of wealth, material, intellactual or was forced to flee due to violence should be considered illegal sqatter and economuc oppurtunist. Orders for immedeate cancellation of citizen ship and deportation.

What a pathetic piece of a post.
Deplorable that such posts have a senior member tag on them...and deplorable that such posters then brandish the flag of Islam when making such claims.
I rarely resort to such attacks..But you may claim yourself to live in the fort of Sunnah..
but your thoughts are close to Munafiqeen.
What "economic" contribution did the Muhajireen of Hijrat make in madinah?
Truly.. Pakistan is doomed if we have thinking like you claiming to be from it.

 

[Sugarcane]

First about muhajirs some info http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhajir_people

I don't need wiki to learn about it as my own family migrated. You have to keep in mind Urdu speaking people living in Karachi are not the only people who migrated.

Regarding bolded part ,suppose some how your type force these people out and send them back than technically it will undo the partition and you will have to apply for an indian passport!!
I just wonder at time no wonder this country is in such a mess where people hold such ignorant attitude towards their very own creators .

Why don't you accept that Urdu Speaking people are also part of problem of today's situation. You people didn't tried to mixed up with native people to form new Pakistani nation.

Would you like to explain the bold part?

 

[hotaki]

New provinces is a good idea.We must try to tolerate each others ideas.For example no harm was done to pakistan when the leadership of N.W.F.P changed its name to Khyberpakhtunkha.So if the mohajirs want a new province and the area in which they are demanding has a mohajir majority.Then we should give them and concentrate on bigger issues concerning our beloved country.LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

Sindh is the ancestral land of Sindhis they should be the ones to decide if they want to give their land for a muhajir province, public referendum should be held in Sindh where native sindhis can cast a vote in that referendum.

No one has any issues with any group living in any corner of Pakistan as equal but pushing a muhajir card without a province is not belonging is foolish, if you feel like that then you never really accepted the land as yours.

People can not demand to carve out pieces of others ancestral land, when they can live there as equal pakistani.

 

[SQ8]

I don't need wiki to learn about it as my own family migrated. You have to keep in mind Urdu speaking people living in Karachi are not the only people who migrated.



Why don't you accept that Urdu Speaking people are also part of problem of today's situation. You people didn't tried to mixed up with native people to form new Pakistani nation.

Would you like to explain the bold part?

Yes they absolutely are.. but at the same time there are vested powers within the Native people that have disrupted the relative harmony that existed between the migrants to Pakistan and those that had gained freedom from their British masters.
Pakistan's basic problem is that we are not a nation at all..but a breeding ground for nations.
When you accuse one section of the population of traitorship .. you accuse Mohammad Ali Jinnah of being a daft idiot.
In that case.. lets break up Pakistan.. Balochistan can go.. Sindhustra can be formed.. Punjab can go back to Indian Punjab.. and Kp and do whatever they want.
because attitudes looking to create blame and conflict such as yours will eventually lead to this.

Sindh is the ancestral land of Sindhis they should be the ones to decide if they want to give their land for a muhajir province, public referendum should be held in Sindh where native sindhis can cast a vote in that referendum.

No one has any issues with any group living in any corner of Pakistan as equal but pushing a muhajir card without a province is not belonging is foolish, if you feel like that then you never really accepted the land as yours.

People can not demand to carve out pieces of others ancestral land, when they can live there as equal pakistani.

This is the basic issue.. What was nothing more than a land mafia problem has been turned into a ethnic political one.
And vested powers..
Those from Punjab, KP and Sindh.. along with dictator bred Fat cows like Altaf have turned tiny cracks in this nationhood into deep chasms...with bleating goats following hate blindly as their IQ allows only that.

As for the issue of so called Mohajirs..
The ones from Dehli and other areas came to Punjab as well..
Here they live with the population..and while the "urdu speaking" tag is still used by low level feudal types..
The integration has been fairly seamless.

 

[Sugarcane]

Yes they absolutely are.. but at the same time there are vested powers within the Native people that have disrupted the relative harmony that existed between the migrants to Pakistan and those that had gained freedom from their British masters.
Pakistan's basic problem is that we are not a nation at all..but a breeding ground for nations.
When you accuse one section of the population of traitorship .. you accuse Mohammad Ali Jinnah of being a daft idiot.
In that case.. lets break up Pakistan.. Balochistan can go.. Sindhustra can be formed.. Punjab can go back to Indian Punjab.. and Kp and do whatever they want.
because attitudes looking to create blame and conflict such as yours will eventually lead to this.

Well my forefathers also migrated from India, And i feel proud that they didn't associated Mohajir Tag.

PS: I am supporter of new provinces for administrative purpose but i really hate this Mohajir card because this mentality needs to be changed otherwise it will not stop only on separate province

 

[hotaki]

I think the best option is to disperse all Urdu speakers all over the country, let them see a bit more then sindh, they need to integrate with the native pakistanis of all walks, also Urdu speakers being business minded people can help develop different part of the nation.

 

[SQ8]

Well my forefathers also migrated from India, And i feel proud that they didn't associated Mohajir Tag.

PS: I am supporter of new provinces for administrative purpose but i really hate this Mohajir card because this mentality needs to be changed otherwise it will not stop only on separate province

the "Urdu-speaking" tag does not help either..
Its a simple issue of power influence.. in land and extortion business that has been given the tag of ethnic tensions..all of this has been helped along by the impression that the opposing Mafioso is fuelled by an ethnic bias as well.. since this is what they advertise.
rather than the basic greed of wealth and land.

And this is not restricted to just this section of the population.
Calls such as "Jaag Punjabi Jaag".. and similar ones from ethnic Pathans,Hazara,Sindhis,Seraikis.. have broken the bonds of nationhood and created a forced union of separate nations in this land.

I think the best option is to disperse all Urdu speakers all over the country, let them see a bit more then sindh, they need to integrate with the native pakistanis of all walks, also Urdu speakers being business minded people can help develop different part of the nation.

You think people are idiots to be forced to leave their homes, their business and thrown out over the country by assuring them "you will be fine"..
Why? are Urdu speakers the ethnic Bosnians of this Yugoslavia?

 

[pak-marine]

I don't need wiki to learn about it as my own family migrated. You have to keep in mind Urdu speaking people living in Karachi are not the only people who migrated. Why don't you accept that Urdu Speaking people are also part of problem of today's situation. You people didn't tried to mixed up with native people to form new Pakistani nation.
Would you like to explain the bold part?

you seem to think its your definition which is correct rest are all jahil and wiki is bakwas ... i am sure you have searched for a thousand different things on the wiki but for some things you dont want to refer it to them . There are no saints urdu speakers are surviving they are a minority in this land. Max 9-10 million population makes them a small proportion with such little power they cant offend they are on defence here. We didnt tried to mix up thats another ignorant reply either you dont know iota about karachi or you have never been there.

 

[Sugarcane]

the "Urdu-speaking" tag does not help either..
Its a simple issue of power influence.. in land and extortion business that has been given the tag of ethnic tensions..all of this has been helped along by the impression that the opposing Mafioso is fuelled by an ethnic bias as well.. since this is what they advertise.
rather than the basic greed of wealth and land.

And this is not restricted to just this section of the population.
Calls such as "Jaag Punjabi Jaag".. and similar ones from ethnic Pathans,Hazara,Sindhis,Seraikis.. have broken the bonds of nationhood and created a forced union of separate nations in this land.

Well there is no doubt that route cause of this is lust of power and greed for wealth, You can blame illiteracy if some idiots in ruler areas are going this but the most disturbing fact is that educated people in Karachi supporting these scumbags who want to divide and rule. For example i have seen well educated people who keep spewing the line of politicians that Karachi is the only city which is contributing 70% of tax but they forgets that Pakistan's more than 80% of tax revenues is through Indirect Taxes and actually consumer have to pay those taxes.

 

[SQ8]

Well there is no doubt that route cause of this is lust of power and greed for wealth, You can blame illiteracy if some idiots in ruler areas are going this but the most disturbing fact is that educated people in Karachi supporting these scumbags who want to divide and rule. For example i have seen well educated people who keep spewing the line of politicians that Karachi is the only city which is contributing 70% of tax but they forgets that Pakistan's more than 80% of tax revenues is through Indirect Taxes and actually consumer have to pay those taxes.

Educated people supported a dictator..
Educated people supported Zardari.
People like Salman Rushdie are also educated.. it is stupid to think that knowing English or education is the hallmark of sensible people. Why are "people in Karachi" the target of your ire? because they are generally more globalized.. have more fun?

Karachi does contribute 70% to the total tax revenue because of major corporations there.
Urdu-speakers, Punjabis, Sindhis,Baloch and Pathans that are employed in these corporations give tax from their hard earned money that forms this 70%.. the rest also comes via corporate employees in Lahore, Islamabad and Peshawar.
Who else in Pakistan actually pays tax?
yet to you the "guilty" party in this claim is not corporate employees but Urdu-speakers..
I sense hate.. not reason.

 

[Bratva]

My Grand father migrated from Indian Punjab, Left his 10 Kanal bungalow and agricultural land and came to Pakistan, lived in poverty most of life because My Grand Grand father didnt didn't bribed the Munshi and he didn't allocated any land to them and my grand father worked as electrician lived in two room house against what he used to live in Indian Punjab until his sons provided him somewhat comfortable life when they started doing work and still he didn't regret living India nor he call himself a mohajir and all our family speak Urdu instead of Punjabi in our house.

Why is that All the muhajirs integrated well in Punjab and those wo live in Karachi are still nagging about it!

 

[Sugarcane]

you seem to think its your definition which is correct rest are all jahil and wiki is bakwas ... i am sure you have searched for a thousand different things on the wiki but for some things you dont want to refer it to them . There are no saints urdu speakers are surviving they are a minority in this land. Max 9-10 million population makes them a small proportion with such little power they cant offend they are on defence here. We didnt tried to mix up thats another ignorant reply either you dont know iota about karachi or you have never been there.

1. I didn't said jahil to anyone and yes i don't need wiki at-least to know about Mohajir
2. I hold my point that Urdu speaking people of Karachi didn't tried to mix up with native population, counter it with example or understandable manner rather than on liner, i know better i have been in Karachi or not?
3. Other par of your post is out of context and i don't think it's not relevant to my post, the bold part i asked you to explain was

I just wonder at time no wonder this country is in such a mess where people hold such ignorant attitude towards their very own creators .

 

[SQ8]

My Grand father migrated from Indian Punjab, Left his 10 Kanal bungalow and agricultural land and came to Pakistan, lived in poverty most of life because My Grand Grand father didnt didn't bribed the Munshi and he didn't allocated any land to them and my grand father worked as electrician lived in two room house against what he used to live in Indian Punjab until his sons provided him somewhat comfortable life when they started doing work and still he didn't regret living India nor he call himself a mohajir and all our family speak Urdu instead of Punjabi in our house.

Why is that All the muhajirs integrated well in Punjab and those wo live in Karachi are still nagging about it!

Similar ethnic background.
Ethnic divisions are what are exploited by vested interests.

1. I didn't said jahil to anyone and yes i don't need wiki at-least to know about Mohajir
2. I hold my point that Urdu speaking people of Karachi didn't tried to mix up with native population, counter it with example or understandable manner rather than on liner, i know better i have been in Karachi or not?
3. Other par of your post is out of context and i don't think it's not relevant to my post, the bold part i asked you to explain was

That is a stupid perception..
The mix is fine as it is in karachi today.. you really have not been there have you?
Whatever flares up is due to ethnic differences.
Those that mixed in ..were of similar ethnic background..
Pre- Ayub Khan and his "mafia" in Karachi.. there was complete harmony.
The actual Mohajirs, along with Bengalis, Punjabis,Pathans,Sindhis and baloch all lived in perfect balance.
So in a way.. the dictator was responsible for sowing the seeds of Pakistan's destruction..
he took out the Bengalis.. the Baloch are being pushed that way.. and the rest will all follow.

 

[Sugarcane]

Educated people supported a dictator..
Educated people supported Zardari.
People like Salman Rushdie are also educated.. it is stupid to think that knowing English or education is the hallmark of sensible people. Why are "people in Karachi" the target of your ire? because they are generally more globalized.. have more fun?

I am talking about people of Karachi because the topic we are discussing is related to them, isn't it? and don't generalize my post as not Urdu speakers are same and i have many good friends and colleagues and are the ones who are actually globalized and have fun don't go for idiotic things.

Karachi does contribute 70% to the total tax revenue because of major corporations there.
Urdu-speakers, Punjabis, Sindhis,Baloch and Pathans that are employed in these corporations give tax from their hard earned money that forms this 70%.. the rest also comes via corporate employees in Lahore, Islamabad and Peshawar.
Who else in Pakistan actually pays tax?
yet to you the "guilty" party in this claim is not corporate employees but Urdu-speakers..

Can you back your post by statistics, i mean Total Collection and break down of this into direct and in-direct revenues???? Keeping in mind Indirect taxes (i.e. Sales Taxes, Excise Duty etc.) consumer have to pay, corporates charge these taxes at the time of their sales and deposit it to government that doesn't mean corporates are actually paying those taxes

I sense hate.. not reason.

My argument is not based on hate however i hate everyone whose actions are question mark on integrity of Pakistan, it doesn't matter the person is Punjabi, Sindhi, Sariki, Urdu Speaking or whatever

 

[Sugarcane]

That is a stupid perception..
The mix is fine as it is in karachi today.. you really have not been there have you?
Whatever flares up is due to ethnic differences.
Those that mixed in ..were of similar ethnic background..
Pre- Ayub Khan and his "mafia" in Karachi.. there was complete harmony.
The actual Mohajirs, along with Bengalis, Punjabis,Pathans,Sindhis and baloch all lived in perfect balance.
So in a way.. the dictator was responsible for sowing the seeds of Pakistan's destruction..
he took out the Bengalis.. the Baloch are being pushed that way.. and the rest will all follow.

I am living in Iran since few years but i can't speak Farsi and also don't have too much knowledge about their culture and traditions, mostly i spend my free time with Pakistani community here, but i have few good Iranian friends and living peacefully, Can you say that i am mixed-up with Iranians.