Modi told China, Pakistan economic corridor unacceptable

[SQ8]

@Oscar, I have no doubts about the possible financial benefits this would accrue to Pakistan, and China. Everything fine about that; but that economic benefit was always a sideshow to the strategic entanglement that Pakistan sought with China against India. Is that a wise decision in the long run though? is it a good idea to push India this hard against the wall?

It's always been talked about the paranoia the relatively weak, small, insecure Pakistan has vis-a-vis India. Now Pakistan and China will have to bear the paranoia of a relatively, even if temporal, weak India scared to death of a combined, co-ordinated attack on India from two fronts.

There has already been a very visible response (facilitating change of regime) to Chinese moves in Sri Lanka by GOI after the submarine docking incident. And that was almost certainly the least aggressive move considered. In the same breath, you can be certain that barring a miracle, an intervention in one way or another is inevitable in the Maldives. What these moves mean is basically that India feels terrifyingly threatened.

This might be cause for celebration at GHQ Rawalpindi, and ISI HQ in the short run, but such fear will undoubtedly manifest itself physically in one way or another, in a way Pakistan's fears found manifested in its aggressive foreign policy. The difference is that with India, the scale and magnitude ratchets up dis-proportionally. And in this, First nuke policy of PA may actually serve India.

The financial benefits have to do more with the Chinese making one last attempt at Pakistan and trying to keep it a viable "investment". After all, the JF-17 program, the Chinese AEW program, the F-22P frigates and various other programs are on Chinese soft loans.

The paranoia from India however may also be deliberate rather than actual. As per one senior(and rather horse's mouth on the matter) gentleman I spoke to, both sides have an implicit understanding that the nukes essentially guarantee that total war is unaffordable for both. It was one of the reasons that prior to 26/11 there was a near deal on the backdoor channels on Kashmir and many other issues. Which left the hardliners on both sides perturbed that they might even be out of jobs and more importantly the various governmental and non-state actors(non-TTP LET types) under respective controls may decide that since their "infidel" threat is no longer a threat.. its time to implement Sharia with full force. Moreover, the military leadership on both sides would be hard pressed to find a threat so emerging as to specify their funding. Many hint to the 26/11 attacks as a desperate attempt to stave off being "laid off" as the backdoor negotiations were almost to fruition on certain key CBMs.

Coming to the corridor, there was another article here somewhere outlining how the corridor has LESS to do with India and more to do with China expanding its trade horizons and removing its "lock" to the pacific trade routes. It wants the old silk road reopened and is investing heavily throughout in road and rail infrastructure; those that cannot be blocked by an aggressor with a Navy.

India on the other hand is currently in a right wing capitalist government that needs to show cash flow and progress to justify its election rhetoric on all fronts. So whilst the justification of growing economically are really not required, the same cannot be said for the justification for military growth; that needs bogeyman, and India has all the bogeymen it needs.

 

[feilong]

Modi told China that, I suck my papa cocks first then I free to suck your cocks China.

 

[graphican]

Economic Corridor not "digestible", Modi says to China.

 

[syedali73]

When China and Pakistani initiated Karakoram highway project back in 1959, similar noises were made by Banya but neither China nor Pakistan paid damn heed and same is going to happen this time too. The only difference is though, back then Banya was not heavily involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and sponsoring terrorism whereas today he is. However, I am sure both China and Pakistan are aware of these changes and ready to tackle them as needed.

Economic Corridor not "digestible", Modi says to China.

Looks like chai wala has 'beef' with it! Ask him to improve his digestive health.

 

[Strigon]

When China and Pakistani initiated Karakoram highway project back in 1959, similar noises were made by Banya but neither China nor Pakistan paid damn heed and same is going to happen this time too. The only difference is though, back then Banya was not heavily involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and sponsoring terrorism whereas today he is. However, I am sure both China and Pakistan are aware of these changes and ready to tackle them as needed.

Modi has 'beef' with it?

Since China actually also told Pakistan of a possible RAW proxy to disturb the process, it would mean they are also continuously monitoring the activities. And since the project is also a gain for China to expand its global reach, an attack would mean attack on them as well. This cow is going to be cut up into steaks and grilled by the dragon.

But I think this is the first time I am hearing a third, irrelevant country, giving its opinion about something that has no bearing on it even if its the whinny India.

Tbh, I feel as if these recent blunders are a bluff to attract the very gullible Indian populace, because if Modi REALLY wanted these projects to not see success he would have done it silently.

 

[Mav3rick]

Lets see what matter most to Chinese...3-4 billion yearly benefit of economic corridor or 100 billion yearly trade with India which will be growing 2-3 folds in near future.....

And that co called $100 Billion trade is all in Chinese favour, I support, for China to give a **** and for India not to give a ****??? Don't you think that India would stand to loose more if that trade partnership is suspended or otherwise challenged?

Why do you Indians have such narrow visions? Why do you live in the illusion that everything revolves around India? Had it not been for your massive population, nobody on the planet would even be aware of your existence today!

 

[syedali73]

Tbh, I feel as if these recent blunders are a bluff to attract the very gullible Indian populace, because if Modi REALLY wanted these projects to not see success he would have done it silently.

He is not some Oxford or Harvard graduate but a mere ordinary IQ Chai wala according to his own media. He became PM on the blood of Muslims not some great intellectual, social, or political achievements. Besides, arrogance shuts down common sense and real fast. He and his lieutenants are boasting about their ambitions because they think they can achieve those; the poor soul already considers himself as Obama part II and India, with worlds poorest population, equivalent to the world's sole superpower, the United States. Ab iss zehni kaifyat ka ilaj to Hakeem Luqman key pas bhi nahin tha.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Modi obviously wants a weak Pakistan. As if China is going to listen.

 

[shahzadaf]

@Arsalan Where did you dig up these site?
Cant see such a statement in other major websites .

On topic:All of these are not going well.Two sides should reduce the heat.Indian is going to invest 11 trillion rs through ONGC for gas field .Majority would be in Vietnam.Now Essar is also joining for oil in SCS

 

[qamar1990]

Lets see what matter most to Chinese...3-4 billion yearly benefit of economic corridor or 100 billion yearly trade with India which will be growing 2-3 folds in near future.....

india benefits more from that trade with china.. so indians wouldnt stupid enough to end any trade with china...
and im pretty sure chinese have already thought of your 100 billion trade lol.

 

[Rahi812]

@Arsalan Where did you dig up these site?
Cant see such a statement in other major websites .

On topic:All of these are not going well.Two sides should reduce the heat.Indian is going to invest 11 trillion rs through ONGC for gas field .Majority would be in Vietnam.Now Essar is also joining for oil in SCS

But why India has problem with CPEC?

 

[Pulsar]

Butt hurt of indian govt seems clearly over chinese 46 billion $s :-D

You guys keep harping on the 'wishes of the Kashmiri people'! Have you therefore asked the Kashmiris whether this project which runs through Kashmir is acceptable to them or not? Can you ask a third country to build permanent infrastructure on disputed territory?

If there is a plebiscite tomorrow and the Kashmiris want an independent state or join up with India, what would happen to the so called economic corridor?

 

[Rahi812]

You guys keep harping on the 'wishes of the Kashmiri people'! Have you therefore asked the Kashmiris whether this project which runs through Kashmir is acceptable to them or not? Can you ask a third country to build permanent infrastructure on disputed territory?

If there is a plebiscite tomorrow and the Kashmiris want an independent state or join up with India, what would happen to the so called economic corridor?

Lets go for plebiscite tomorrow and finish this thing once for all. Do you think India has balls to do this?
And by the way which Kashmir is going to join India?
As far as part which is in Pakistan, have you ever heard saying them, they are going to join Inida or want an independent country.
Let me talk like you. what about Delhi want to join Pakistan or an independent country?
what about punjab and Haryana wants to be Kalistan?
What about west Bengal wants to join Bangladest?
What about Maiosist succeded in getting an indepandent country?
what about Arunchal pradesh join China?
What about Manipur and Nagaland?

 

[Arsalan]

But why India has problem with CPEC?

The actual reason is anything good for Pakistan is not acceptable to India. The CPEC when operations will be of great financial benefit to both China and Pakistan and that is some thing they are finding hard to digest.

Secondly, the statements and all this shouting have more to do with India itself. Indian gov under Modi have started thinking themselves of some super power, with all the growth they have made in past few years, India still is a long way for a position where they can effectively dictate global matters. This is something they are not realizing and this will not be good for the Indian image in my opinion. The argument have something to do with India trying to show there skinny muscles that they can now effect matters between other nations as well, sadly for them, this is not the case yet. If i was an India, my advise would have been to keep focus on the positive growth they have achieved and sustain it for a few more years before they can get to a point where they will really have a say in such regional matters. Anyway, they country there decision!!

The lame official excuse that have come out is that since the CPEC will pass through AZAD Kashmir, so it is disputed. This i call lame keeping an eye on all the military developments, dams and other projects that India have carried out India OCCUPIED Kashmir! So in my opinion, we are back to above point one and two as being the reason of all this whining and crying by Indian officials and Media.

 

[Roybot]

Its amazing just how much hope and expectation Pakistanis have from this corridor.

Anyways, as for the topic, well they just said its unacceptable for the corridor to be passing through Pakistani administered Kashmir region, and not the corridor itself. China can relate to this kind of protest, cause it keeps doing the same whenever India plans/builds anything in Arunachal Pradesh.