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MODI --- our best friend...

modi has done what no one could do ...


1. from the fake label of rising super power to a neo nazi fascist ideology state . all in 5 years... this credit i give to PM IK and his constant tweets on this matter.. bravo

2. as a dumb chai wala ofcourse, he ruined indias growth rate from 7percent to 2 -3 percent thanks to demonetization and crap economic policies . corona virus will finish the rest

3. he has stirred a hornets nest in kashmir and alienated indian muslims via CAA bill. i dont believe the kashmir status quo will last

4. now his idiot MNAs have aggravated the arabs too ..


5 . i have noticed that middle class, educated indians support this idiot and his racial policies



this man is our best asset in india. i wish and pray he stays for another decade ..



my take on india -

1.it was to become the counter to china and a hedge against pakistan .

2.none of that is happening .

3.the zionists and rotschilds , lying manipulative scum they are , will now abandon india to its fate which is internal implosion.

No fan of Modi (obviously) but here are my observations.

1. Shame on you that you are taking pleasure from the misfortune that his regime has been towards Muslims
2. Economy is NOT going to go down. Sure Hindutva and its associated stupidity will be a strain, but Gujjus and NRIs and world economy will CONTINUE to invest in India as long as it makes money for them. And it will continue to make money, rest assured.
3. Jews are nowhere in the picture, zionist conspiracies cannot be blamed for the moral bankruptcy of Hindus.
 
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On the other hand, it doesn't matter who is elected or nominated in Pakistan. It's a constant downward spiral for them - ask for loans, complain to the world about Kashmir, keep blaming India for their water woes and every 15 odd years launch some stupid military adventure against India and then hope the world will bail Pak out.


Simple rule of thumb...start looking at 'People' and 'Government' differently...

As it is said of Pakistan, the govt. is poor the people are rich, people have the money but don't trust the govt. and doesn't pay the right amount of taxes...so what do they do, they pay Zakat mandatory, that has resulted in a huge philanthropic and charitable organisations in Pakistan...as it is said nobody sleeps empty stomach in Pakistan.


As for India, it is said the govt. is rich but the people are poor...

Obviously there are rich, very rich and middle class in big numbers in India...
India govt. has stashed a big amount of FER of about 500 billion USD or more, FDI is higher and exports too...(per capita exports are low though).

So a failure of the govt. and failure of the state and the people are different thing...
Private enterprises runs Pakistan, even if the govt. is made to look incompetent and a failure.

Education, housing, health sector, the main duties of the govt. are run by private sector here...so the low budget for these sectors due to lack of resources is made up for by the private investment.
 
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please tell me something

indians on defence.pk seem educated, good english comprehension ,

does this upper middle /middle class support modi ?

About 2/3, perhaps even 70% of us on PDF support Modi; the rest are the detritus of the old 'Macaulayite' liberal education or university education system, that represented education rather than training.

That is your short answer.

In the real world, you will still find them in universities, in JNU, a pet hate of the bhakt, or Jadavpur, and old institutions. Delhi University, another old institution, is not a centralised university, but consists of affiliated colleges, some famous, such as St. Stephens, Shashi Tharoor and Hardeep Puri's old college, or Lady Shri Ram, and these are still islands of liberal thinking (along with their share of rightists but not bhakts - Hardeep Puri is a classic example, as is Swapan DasGupta).

This is the education that they underwent. What you will see on line, especially on PDF, is the trained; those whose parents and grandparents made massive sacrifices, of a sort that will not be believed if narrated, to put their next generation through some sort of job-oriented learning programme. These were most easily available in capitation fee colleges and universities, where you paid a massive amount of money to the administration (these were private) and got your son or your daughter into an engineering, medical or dental programme. These institutions offered no education in sociology or history or economics. The graduates, who emerged and swept their way to the top of the technical world of today, had the pent-up anger and desire for repayment of their immediate forebears, had the money to afford a middle-class life, with the leisure that goes with it, had the access to the internet that earlier generations never had, and due to their acquisition of English during their technical degree studies, they had a sense of entitlement and a demand to be given parity with the earlier elite, who were now struggling for jobs.

These are the ones you will see on PDF in the majority. There are honourable exceptions; I am no one to dish out certificates, but these exceptions can be spotted easily.

The rest of us, the 30% on line who do not support Modi, are even easier to spot. You will find us caught in a dilemma, whether to fight the Sangh Parivar and all the evil that it represents, along with their baggage of revisionist history and sociology, or to break away and take a nationalist stance and defend India, as our country, right or wrong, against attacks by Pakistani (and Chinese, and a very few Bangladeshi) fan-boys. This is an exceptionally bitter choice for those few who are not in fact nationalists, but believe that other loyalties come before national loyalties.

I hope that answers your question.
 
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Simple rule of thumb...start looking at 'People' and 'Government' differently...

As it is said of Pakistan, the govt. is poor the people are rich, people have the money but don't trust the govt. and doesn't pay the right amount of taxes...so what do they do, they pay Zakat mandatory, that has resulted in a huge philanthropic and charitable organisations in Pakistan...as it is said nobody sleeps empty stomach in Pakistan.


As for India, it is said the govt. is rich but the people are poor...

Obviously there are rich, very rich and middle class in big numbers in India...
India govt. has stashed a big amount of FER of about 500 billion USD or more, FDI is higher and exports too...(per capita exports are low though).

So a failure of the govt. and failure of the state and the people are different thing...
Private enterprises runs Pakistan, even if the govt. is made to look incompetent and a failure.

Education, housing, health sector, the main duties of the govt. are run by private sector here...so the low budget for these sectors due to lack of resources is made up for by the private investment.

If people in Pak had the money, their GDP per capita would not be $500 a year less than India.

And the GDP of Maharashtta is probably bigger than that of Pakistan.
 
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On the other hand, it doesn't matter who is elected or nominated in Pakistan. It's a constant downward spiral for them - ask for loans, complain to the world about Kashmir, keep blaming India for their water woes and every 15 odd years launch some stupid military adventure against India and then hope the world will bail Pak out.

@blueazure

This is one of those, part of the 30% minority, caught in the existential dilemma that I mentioned: whether to let opposition to the goings on in our country come to the fore, or whether to oppose the barrage of abuse from Pakistani fan-boys by a contradicting set of statements.

@AfrazulMandal is, on the other hand, a freak. I used to think, hope, pray that he was a false-flagger; the balance of probability is that he is not. He is that most terrible stain on our nation; a disillusioned Muslim Indian. That he holds the views he does is our biggest national failure.
 
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@blueazure

This is one of those, part of the 30% minority, caught in the existential dilemma that I mentioned: whether to let opposition to the goings on in our country come to the fore, or whether to oppose the barrage of abuse from Pakistani fan-boys by a contradicting set of statements.

@AfrazulMandal is, on the other hand, a freak. I used to think, hope, pray that he was a false-flagger; the balance of probability is that he is not. He is that most terrible stain on our nation; a disillusioned Muslim Indian. That he holds the views he does is our biggest national failure.

There is no sensible opposition left in our country. The lunatics have taken over the asylum here.
 
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Once the corona scare is over, jobs in China will move to India in the aftermath of this pandemic. Wary of Chinese sloppiness (evident during the corona drama) and impressed by Indian efficiency and resilience (also evident during the same drama), West will setup manufacturing units in India. Western investments will gradually increase. Unemployment will be completely abolished in India. It will be like how it was in Soviet Union viz. a small minimum salary would be guaranteed to everyone. In the end, it would transpire that the corona hoax was orchestrated by RAW – India’s external intelligence agency – in order to eradicate poverty. Just what is the secret of RAW’s Midas touch?

- PRTP GWD
Modi will clone Modi and pay them nothing and become the manufacturing supa powa of the world!

wah Modi g wah!!!
 
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About 2/3, perhaps even 70% of us on PDF support Modi; the rest are the detritus of the old 'Macaulayite' liberal education or university education system, that represented education rather than training.

That is your short answer.

In the real world, you will still find them in universities, in JNU, a pet hate of the bhakt, or Jadavpur, and old institutions. Delhi University, another old institution, is not a centralised university, but consists of affiliated colleges, some famous, such as St. Stephens, Shashi Tharoor and Hardeep Puri's old college, or Lady Shri Ram, and these are still islands of liberal thinking (along with their share of rightists but not bhakts - Hardeep Puri is a classic example, as is Swapan DasGupta).

This is the education that they underwent. What you will see on line, especially on PDF, is the trained; those whose parents and grandparents made massive sacrifices, of a sort that will not be believed if narrated, to put their next generation through some sort of job-oriented learning programme. These were most easily available in capitation fee colleges and universities, where you paid a massive amount of money to the administration (these were private) and got your son or your daughter into an engineering, medical or dental programme. These institutions offered no education in sociology or history or economics. The graduates, who emerged and swept their way to the top of the technical world of today, had the pent-up anger and desire for repayment of their immediate forebears, had the money to afford a middle-class life, with the leisure that goes with it, had the access to the internet that earlier generations never had, and due to their acquisition of English during their technical degree studies, they had a sense of entitlement and a demand to be given parity with the earlier elite, who were now struggling for jobs.

These are the ones you will see on PDF in the majority. There are honourable exceptions; I am no one to dish out certificates, but these exceptions can be spotted easily.

The rest of us, the 30% on line who do not support Modi, are even easier to spot. You will find us caught in a dilemma, whether to fight the Sangh Parivar and all the evil that it represents, along with their baggage of revisionist history and sociology, or to break away and take a nationalist stance and defend India, as our country, right or wrong, against attacks by Pakistani (and Chinese, and a very few Bangladeshi) fan-boys. This is an exceptionally bitter choice for those few who are not in fact nationalists, but believe that other loyalties come before national loyalties.

I hope that answers your question.

That's actually useful to know. I've never really understood the rise of the PDF Sanghi. I've been on Pakistani forums for nearly 20 years and the quality of the average Indian poster has decreased significantly.

This could be in part atributed to;
  • wider internet access, so the pool dilutes
  • The general spread of toxicity on the web
But were 20 years ago it was clear someone was trolling, today, they seem to be walking talking memes of themselves. When I started on Pakistani forums, Pakistani's weren't welcome on Indian forums and visa versa. Those who were there had a commitment to learning and building bridges. This PDF is a lot more open, always has been from day 1.

Those of you who've been on here longer will know what i mean.
 
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And the GDP of Maharashtta is probably bigger than that of Pakistan.


Juvenile thinking...Maha is the commercial, industrial and financial hub of India. It represents all of India with a population of 1.35 billion.

By this rule UP with a population of 24 crore must have a higher GDP than Pakistan, another Indian state which is not the case...

If people in Pak had the money, their GDP per capita would not be $500 a year less than India.


"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

That higher GDP includes the 50 billion USD equity of Ambani's and others, it doesn't translate into each one of the poor is getting the GDP per capita of India shown as stats.


In Pakistan, the informal, cash-based economy for goods and services is larger than the formal economy. Barron's, November 17, 2012

Assuming that the ratio of formal and informal economy remained the same in 2011-12, here are the figures for Pakistan's total economy as of the end of last fiscal year which ended in June, 2012 :

1) Formal Economy: $210 billion
2) Informal Economy: $191 billion
3) Total Economy: $401 billion





Naween Mangi of Businessweek in her piece titled "The Secret Strength of Pakistan's Economy" described how Pakistan's informal cash-based economy evades government's radar, illustrating it with the story of a tire repair shop owner Muhammad Nasir. Nasir steals water and electricity from utility companies, receives cash from his customers in return for his services and issues no receipts, pays cash for his cable TV connection, and pays off corrupt police and utility officials and local politicians instead of paying utility bills and taxes.
 
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What kind of accounting is this?

...a more humane accounting.

So, in some sense, higher GDP should equate to greater human progress, because it means more valuable goods and services have been created. Scratch a little deeper, however, and GDP does not even capture this traditional economic value very well.

How GDP Misses the Mark
GDP can increase after a car accident or a major flood. GDP can grow rapidly during a war or after a terrorist attack. If all of Chicago caught fire once again and burnt to the ground, the rebuilding effort just might boost GDP. This is because GDP is very susceptible to the broken window fallacy—false signals of rising prosperity when obvious destruction has taken place.


https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/genuine-progress-indicator-gpi.asp
 
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...a more humane accounting.

So, in some sense, higher GDP should equate to greater human progress, because it means more valuable goods and services have been created. Scratch a little deeper, however, and GDP does not even capture this traditional economic value very well.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/genuine-progress-indicator-gpi.asp

I am no economics major. But the least I understand that, in any economy equal distribution of wealth is not possible. Your example of $50 billion Ambani really falls flat as thats his personal wealth. + he is a wealth generator. His growth is a part of an indicator of a growth of an economy within the ambit of his assets. His achievements are more humane than you think.

And its not necessary that GDP captures every economic indicator, but GDP can capture its outcomes. Like GDP cant capture the economy from blue collar jobs or engagements. But the PPP indicates this. Particularly in India where its consumer based economy.
 
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I don't support any politician who plays religious politics. BJP is just one of the faces of the right wing powers, that are seeing a resurgence across the globe. It is just a phase.
For centuries, Indians of various hues have tolerated, and largely ignored each other. Now that they are finally trying to work and live together, some friction is bound to happen.
Religious Hindus and Muslims will clash. Modi isn't the only one responsible here. Different faiths tend to clash, unless they are kept in check by secular law.
Secularism isn't that strong in India, and exists in a very basic, undeveloped state. This will change with time, as happened in most other democratic countries.
For eg - the US. Majority of the population is religious, but secular law reigns supreme.

P S. Social issues are best handled with economic growth and education .
 
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Juvenile thinking...Maha is the commercial, industrial and financial hub of India. It represents all of India with a population of 1.35 billion.

By this rule UP with a population of 24 crore must have a higher GDP than Pakistan, another Indian state which is not the case...




"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

That higher GDP includes the 50 billion USD equity of Ambani's and others, it doesn't translate into each one of the poor is getting the GDP per capita of India shown as stats.


In Pakistan, the informal, cash-based economy for goods and services is larger than the formal economy. Barron's, November 17, 2012

Assuming that the ratio of formal and informal economy remained the same in 2011-12, here are the figures for Pakistan's total economy as of the end of last fiscal year which ended in June, 2012 :

1) Formal Economy: $210 billion
2) Informal Economy: $191 billion
3) Total Economy: $401 billion





Naween Mangi of Businessweek in her piece titled "The Secret Strength of Pakistan's Economy" described how Pakistan's informal cash-based economy evades government's radar, illustrating it with the story of a tire repair shop owner Muhammad Nasir. Nasir steals water and electricity from utility companies, receives cash from his customers in return for his services and issues no receipts, pays cash for his cable TV connection, and pays off corrupt police and utility officials and local politicians instead of paying utility bills and taxes.
Lol. India too has a large informal economy. Estimated to be about 70% of the white economy. So even if one were to buy your logic and data points, Pakistan is still a laggard. You are behind Bangladesh for crying out loud. Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
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