MODI --- our best friend...

[Chakar The Great]

Juvenile thinking...Maha is the commercial, industrial and financial hub of India. It represents all of India with a population of 1.35 billion.

By this rule UP with a population of 24 crore must have a higher GDP than Pakistan, another Indian state which is not the case...




"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

That higher GDP includes the 50 billion USD equity of Ambani's and others, it doesn't translate into each one of the poor is getting the GDP per capita of India shown as stats.


In Pakistan, the informal, cash-based economy for goods and services is larger than the formal economy. Barron's, November 17, 2012

Assuming that the ratio of formal and informal economy remained the same in 2011-12, here are the figures for Pakistan's total economy as of the end of last fiscal year which ended in June, 2012 :

1) Formal Economy: $210 billion
2) Informal Economy: $191 billion
3) Total Economy: $401 billion





Naween Mangi of Businessweek in her piece titled "The Secret Strength of Pakistan's Economy" described how Pakistan's informal cash-based economy evades government's radar, illustrating it with the story of a tire repair shop owner Muhammad Nasir. Nasir steals water and electricity from utility companies, receives cash from his customers in return for his services and issues no receipts, pays cash for his cable TV connection, and pays off corrupt police and utility officials and local politicians instead of paying utility bills and taxes.

This hurts Indians when you show them them the mirror, they like to cherry pick facts to Mock Pakistan, they ll hide the extreme poverty in UP ( which is more populated than whole Pakistan) and cover up with GDP of Mahrashtra. I think we should let them stay in Lala land. India is super power already for most sanghis and bakhts.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Lol. India too has a large informal economy. Estimated to be about 70% of the white economy. So even if one were to buy your logic and data points, Pakistan is still a laggard. You are behind Bangladesh for crying out loud. Wake up and smell the coffee.

My initial post talked about Govt. is poor in Pakistan and people aren't, and this is vice versa in India...



India ranks below Pakistan, Sri Lanka in Global Hunger Index...

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...esh-in-global-hunger-index-1609757-2019-10-16

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...h-nepal-global-hunger-index/story/385002.html

Lol. India too has a large informal economy. Estimated to be about 70% of the white economy. So even if one were to buy your logic and data points, Pakistan is still a laggard. You are behind Bangladesh for crying out loud. Wake up and smell the coffee.

And this is my main point...


Pakistan’s middle class consists of over 6.27 million adults, according to wealth criteria used by Credit Suisse in its Global Wealth Report 2015. It represents 5.7% share of Pakistan’s total adult population of 111 million, almost twice as large as India’s middle class made up of 3% of its adult population based on the same criteria.

Data shows that economic gains in Pakistan are shared better than India and Bangladesh because of lower inequality. Income poverty rate (those below $1.25 per capita per day) in India is 33% and Bangladesh 43% versus 13% in Pakistan, according to WB data on povcalNet. Gini Index for India is 33, Pakistan 29 and Bangladesh 32, indicating that Pakistan has lower inequality.



You don't see the grinding poverty levels in Pakistan as you got to see in India...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

my take on india -

1.it was to become the counter to china and a hedge against pakistan .

2.none of that is happening .

3.the zionists and rotschilds , lying manipulative scum they are , will now abandon india to its fate which is internal implosion.

I never believed that the Zionist led western civilization was trying to fatten up India to face China, rather it was always Pakistan they want to destroy via India.

Look at the international support , global institutional support, all the narrative building that has been going on since 9/11. All of it was against Pakistan and in support of India, China is not even in the picture.

India is a fat sheep with bomb attached to it and these Zionist have the remote control. And they will send this sheep to the slaughter house (Pakistan) and then press the button. They tried it on 26th Feb. Even if India resist, they will push India towards the war with Pakistan.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

modi has done what no one could do ...


1. from the fake label of rising super power to a neo nazi fascist ideology state . all in 5 years... this credit i give to PM IK and his constant tweets on this matter.. bravo

2. as a dumb chai wala ofcourse, he ruined indias growth rate from 7percent to 2 -3 percent thanks to demonetization and crap economic policies . corona virus will finish the rest

3. he has stirred a hornets nest in kashmir and alienated indian muslims via CAA bill. i dont believe the kashmir status quo will last

4. now his idiot MNAs have aggravated the arabs too ..


5 . i have noticed that middle class, educated indians support this idiot and his racial policies

this man is our best asset in india. i wish and pray he stays for another decade ..



my take on india -

1.it was to become the counter to china and a hedge against pakistan .

2.none of that is happening .

3.the zionists and rotschilds , lying manipulative scum they are , will now abandon india to its fate which is internal implosion.

1. only among some Pakistanis like you who cannot stomach how ignored Imran's bleatings have been. Imran himself has scowled in frustration that the world is not listening.

2. if after what Modi & co have to done to Pakistan directly & indirectly, you still think him dumb, you are to be pitied. Just look up for instance FATF, exposure of Pakistan using fake photo in the UN, declaration of Hafeez Sayeed etc.

3. What hornet in Kashmir? He has, as promised openly in election manifesto, saved Indian Muslim women via elimination of tripel talaq, cancellation of 370 and a very strategic division of J&K. Job done.

4. India does not have MNAs, you probably mean MLAs - and yes some of them are indeed idiots. However Modi govt has built sufficient credibility with the Arabs to whether such little indiscretions by the idiot MLAs. But BJP must do a better job of eliminating such idiots from its ranks

5. Middleclass is expanding and the biggest of the strata. No they are not racist. It is a good thing to have a large middle class.

Your takes on India are based on notions that have been dreamt up by idiots. DO some original fact finding and use your own thinking faculty.

 

[Nilgiri]

Pakistan’s middle class consists of over 6.27 million adults, according to wealth criteria used by Credit Suisse in its Global Wealth Report 2015. It represents 5.7% share of Pakistan’s total adult population of 111 million, almost twice as large as India’s middle class made up of 3% of its adult population based on the same criteria.

Data shows that economic gains in Pakistan are shared better than India and Bangladesh because of lower inequality. Income poverty rate (those below $1.25 per capita per day) in India is 33% and Bangladesh 43% versus 13% in Pakistan, according to WB data on povcalNet. Gini Index for India is 33, Pakistan 29 and Bangladesh 32, indicating that Pakistan has lower inequality.

What happens when you use the same credit suisse global wealth report, but the latest year available (2019) rather than 2015?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/skil...ack-21st-century-skills.642522/#post-11884579

Ah right:

India Median wealth per adult (2019) = 3042 USD
India Avg wealth per adult (2019) = 14569 USD

Pakistan Median wealth per adult (2019) = 1766 USD
Pakistan Avg wealth per adult (2019) = 4098 USD

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/average-wealth-per-adult-in-countries-around-the-world-2019.641723/

(2019) Adults with wealth less than 10k USD:

India = 78.2%
Pakistan = 93.4%

India ranks below Pakistan, Sri Lanka in Global Hunger Index...

Yes we measure malnutrition more differently to you, so numbers aren't really equivalently comparable...what else is new?

Larger question is how is this reflected when

a) we have exact same measurement (no scope for latitude) on things like infant mortality (which is correlated to actual malnutrition and poverty?)

b) we have broadband metric measurement of poverty like multi-poverty index to reduce the senstitivity of differing definitions in the constituents?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...atterhorn-in-swiss-alps.662122/#post-12248477

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Religious Hindus and Muslims will clash.

I think this is a gross oversimplification that atheists or secularists like to pretend is what's happening in India - possibly to wash their own hands clean of any need for emotional investment in the crisis. It is in fact a clash between hindutva and all muslims of south Asia who reject hindutva. "Religiosity" in isolation has little to do with this friction. Indeed, I am certain that many protagonists and victims alike in this conflict couldn't care less about the actual adherence to strict criteria of either faith. As I've said elsewhere, history (or perceived history) is the most important trigger here. Do you think Nazis attempting to eradicate Jews had any real connection to Christianity or Judaism, beyond the identification of the belligerent parties?

I would further add that it is not a novel conflict that only emerged recently. The rivalry has been there at least since the 1940s (mangus feels it was since the 1850s) but the degree of vitriol and brazen attacks by hindutva on Muslims is now manifestly increased due to an increased confidence and impunity brought about by Modi and others in recent years. Hindutva suddenly believes they can now have their cake and eat it.

 

[prashantazazel]

I think this is a gross oversimplification that atheists or secularists like to pretend is what's happening in India - possibly to wash their own hands clean of any need for emotional investment in the crisis. It is in fact a clash between hindutva and all muslims of south Asia who reject hindutva. "Religiosity" in isolation has little to do with this friction. Indeed, I am certain that many protagonists and victims alike in this conflict couldn't care less about the actual adherence to strict criteria of either faith. As I've said elsewhere, history (or perceived history) is the most important trigger here. Do you think Nazis attempting to eradicate Jews had any real connection to Christianity or Judaism, beyond the identification of the belligerent parties?

I would further add that it is not a novel conflict that only emerged recently. The rivalry has been there at least since the 1940s (mangus feels it was since the 1850s) but the degree of vitriol and brazen attacks by hindutva on Muslims is now manifestly increased due to an increased confidence and impunity brought about by Modi and others in recent years. Hindutva suddenly believes they can now have their cake and eat it.

What I see is small scale violence between the groups. In my opinion, the far right amongst the Hindus and Muslims are extremely radical, and will clash. At least ideologically.
Continued violence will lead to a heavy handed implementation of secular law (similar to the west), which would provide a good compromise for most.

Most Hindutva guys(ultra nationalists or fake nationalists) and moderately religious Muslims are okay with equal laws for everyone.

I would expect some limited violence from the extremists of both camps.

The origin of the rivalry is not recent. It has roots in history way before that. I suspect you already know that, though.
Partition didn't create the hatred or the division.

 

[Nilgiri]

Partition didn't create the hatred or the division.

It sure made it the main narrative of consequence though...in enough minds....especially in the north.

Politicians drawn to it like bleep to bleep.

 

[fisher1]

Meanwhile, Muslims in Kashmir are under lockdown for i have lost count months. Muslims in India are suffering.

Modi is the worst thing that has happened to Muslims, to Pakistan and he's the best thing for Hindus.

Of course, he's the best thing for people who are sitting in comfortable homes fasting and enjoying life.

 

[loanranger]

Only if OP learns that PDF reality is different to actual reality.

Still way better than yours. People here are way nicer. Way more diverse in opinion. Way less obnoxious.

 

[prashantazazel]

It sure made it the main narrative of consequence though...in enough minds....especially in the north.

Politicians drawn to it like bleep to bleep.

True.
Makes it easy to get votes without working.

Both communities have some real issues, too. That should improve with a stricter implementation of laws. Add to it some improvement in the levels of prosperity and education. But the most powerful agent of change would be time.
So I'm not really worried about the country's future.

 

[Nilgiri]

True.
Makes it easy to get votes without working.

Both communities have some real issues, too. That should improve with a stricter implementation of laws. Add to it some improvement in the levels of prosperity and education. But the most powerful agent of change would be time.
So I'm not really worried about the country's future.

I hold the power structures responsible for doing what they do as easily as they do (goes for more generally in world).

But the larger blame always lies with the people more generally in the end imo....there is enough prevalence of threshold responsibility and intuition invested in them...especially with enough time pass from some dramatic reset.... because I have seen it myself.

I basically don't buy into the argument of being "illiterate"/"manipulated"/"low-info" being some ultimate explanation/resignation for the crop of leaders splattered into the higher levels and levers....and to then do away with a constitutional-democracy through the final end of that argument (i.e just have totalitarianism since at no point do the people wake up enough logically and practically to their best interests and bargaining power)

But maybe its a 50/50 split in the overall blame game of top down vs bottom up. One can only take what is on offer both ways.

 

[Daghalodi]

 

[PradoTLC]

only among some Pakistanis like you who cannot stomach how ignored Imran's bleatings have been. Imran himself has scowled in frustration that the world is not listening.

in your head sure..

the rest world is slowly waking up to the fact on how deeply ugly you are.

but continue your denial mode... we support this.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Modi is OK! But, my choice is Yogi....