MODI --- our best friend...

[Ace of Spades]

If you say so... you literally only quoted the first few lines of my quote.

I'd take 22% of people being over a global threshold definition (of wealth) over just 7% being so any time, any where....its after all 3 times better in the end for development.

If you all want to argue and get stuck to the distribution being the best metric, logically you would be for perfect enforced income equality.

In which case please vote in the far left party that will do it for you and see where it takes you. All equally poor is likely just the start with that philosophy.

Similarly I would take doing better on multi-poverty index over some notion of absolute income poverty being representative enough (given varying purchasing powers).

The problem with that type of indexes is their definitions and quantification of subjective assessments. If you have water but it's not clean, if you have electricity availability but no means to pay for the bills or to buy necessary appliances, if you have shelter but made up of metal sheets with holes in the roof. That by no means define the real on ground picture.

If you all want to argue and get stuck to the distribution being the best metric, logically you would be for perfect enforced income equality.

In which case please vote in the far left party that will do it for you and see where it takes you. All equally poor is likely just the start with that philosophy.

For Pakistan it's riasate Madina, a social welfare state, that's what we want.

 

[El Sidd]

For Pakistan it's riasate Madina, a social welfare state, that's what we want.

Why don't you find better words for it? Like social justice as envisioned by Iqbal and Jinnah the founding fathers of Pakistan.

Why confuse people with this rhetoric further? They are quite muntashir already

 

[Ace of Spades]

Why don't you find better words for it? Like social justice as envisioned by Iqbal and Jinnah the founding fathers of Pakistan.

Why confuse people with this rhetoric further? They are quite muntashir already

Because that was a working model... not just a concept.

 

[Nilgiri]

The problem with that type of indexes is their definitions and quantification of subjective assessments. If you have water but it's not clean, if you have electricity availability but no means to pay for the bills or to buy necessary appliances, if you have shelter but made up of metal sheets with holes in the roof. That by no means define the real on ground picture.

OK what about child mortality under 1 year age (i.e infant mortality rate).

Any arguments there on how thats measured?..pretty objective I would think?...so why Pakistan is a decade behind India on it?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=IN-PK

Surely a more equitable income/wealth distributed country (by your argument) ought to do as good or even much better at child survival?

This number affects life expectancy in the end too.

This is why they get greater weight in the index than the arguably more "subjective" bits.

You should actually look up what the composition is of the MPI. I wouldn't dismiss it as subjective data stuff at all. At some point there are core data bits in it.

It definitely goes lot further than absolute (income) poverty regardless.

For Pakistan it's riasate Madina, a social welfare state, that's what we want.

OK go for it. Make your case politically in your country. That's the only way to quantify the "we" in the end.

 

[El Sidd]

Because that was a working model... not just a concept.

what do you think drove Iqbal and Jinnah's motivation?

Space-shire 47?

 

[Ace of Spades]

what do you think drove Iqbal and Jinnah's motivation?

Space-shire 47?

Indeed so why not directly mention the source of inspiration for our founding fathers. Due to rhetoric of current political party we can't demonize the actual concepts.

OK what about child mortality under 1 year age (i.e infant mortality rate).

Any arguments there on how thats measured?..pretty objective I would think?...so why Pakistan is a decade behind India on it?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=IN-PK

Surely a more equitable income/wealth distributed country (by your argument) ought to do as good or even much better at child survival?

This number affects life expectancy in the end too.

For child mortality again a multifactorial problem not directly related to wealth distribution but more to health care access, not going to dismiss the problem, say that Pakistan has since you are comparing it with Pakistan. The available data from Pakistan shows that infant mortality in Pakistan is caused mainly by health care related factors.

And can be avoided once the health care systems are better but that's more of governance, health care problems rather than standalone poverty/ wealth distribution.

 

[El Sidd]

Due to rhetoric of current political party we can't demonize the actual concepts.

Because that was a working model... not just a concept.

 

[Ace of Spades]

lol thanks for nitpicking... @El Sidd

 

[YeBeWarned]

Your post is hateful. It is also uncomfortably accurate.

where is hate in his post ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

where is hate in his post ?

An ambiguous choice of words by me.

The word 'hateful' has two meanings, not one. That will be made apparent in any dictionary.

hateful
/ˈheɪtfʊl,ˈheɪtf(ə)l/
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adjective

1. arousing, deserving of, or filled with hatred.
   "that hateful arrogant woman"
   • INFORMAL
     very unpleasant.
     "a hateful dress"

So, "...Your post is hateful = I hate your post....", and not
"...Your post is hateful <> Your post is filled with hate ...."

If I wanted to say "Your post is filled with hate", I would say "Your post is hate-filled".

Hope this clarifies (NB Using hopefully is another sub-continental error,an error in various parts of the world; to be hopeful is to be filled with hope, to hope for something to happen should be worded "....it is to be hoped...."

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

please tell me something

indians on defence.pk seem educated, good english comprehension ,

does this upper middle /middle class support modi ?

Brother the thing is here class does not matter. Modi has support from the majority community regardless of classes. However the educated middle class is his biggest supporter as they are the ones who still carry the baggage of "Muslim Atrocity.

Ever heard of a Pakistani economist? No? Don't worry. Neither has Pakistan.

Ever heard of Mahbub Ul Haq the famous economist . He and Amartya Sen is behind the development of HDI rankings.

 

[PradoTLC]

Why don't you find better words for it? Like social justice as envisioned by Iqbal and Jinnah the founding fathers of Pakistan.

Why confuse people with this rhetoric further? They are quite muntashir already

err.. bcos our constitution is Islam?....

duh

 

[El Sidd]

err.. bcos our constitution is Islam?....

duh

inspired by it not it

 

[PradoTLC]

inspired by it not it

bingo ... and that is why you refer to Medina's rule ....and not Iqbal or others.

 

[El Sidd]

bingo ... and that is why you refer to Medina's rule ....and not Iqbal or others.

what is so wrong in just saying Iqbal when he referred to the first state?

this analogy has been around since the 50s. what's new about it.

Pakistan did not come into being 22 years ago nor in 2018.