Missile Strike Above LOC

[airomerix]

P3I updated AMRAAMS are not restricted snap-up or snap-down. Snap-up has a better range & hit prognosis as airomerix hinted. We deployed snap-up BVRs against Su-mki.

Thank you!

Both the targets shot on 27th were a result of AMRAAM's lofting to a certain degree.

The most important comment from the last few pages.

Atleast he concedes that AMRAAM depicts behavior of snapping up. (After he hurled abuses which are conveniently ignored by Mods and yourself)

The question of snapping down doesn't exist with AMRAAM and neither was Feb 27 an event where the missile was launched at close range.

I asked someone about AMRAAM being launched at a close range and he said to me; "The pilot who launches AMRAAM at a range of lesser than 15 nm doesn't deserve the cockpit".

And mind you this guy is a seasoned viper pilot currently stationed at Sargodha.

 

[Jango]

I asked someone about AMRAAM being launched at a close range and he said to me; "The pilot who launches AMRAAM at a range of lesser than 15 nm doesn't deserve the cockpit".

And mind you this guy is a seasoned viper pilot currently stationed at Sargodha.

I seldom moderate these days, as I am usually on phone. So I apologize for that.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct. Secondly, I've heard that the B and C versions display lofting behavior, not the other version. Perhaps that's why there is confusion in the members.

 

[JamD]

CORRECTION ALERT.

These are not missile contrails since missiles don't cruise/home on to target in this pattern at all. Specifically the AMRAAM.

These are trails of fighter jets operating in block 2 altitude above 250 AGL. A view of a typical 'grind' taking place.
AMRAAM once launched climbs up to a very high altitude (cross troposphere) and then homes to the target from above. Mainly to avoid forward jamming from airborne intercept radar's and for many other reasons I cant write here.

Furthermore, AIM120 has a boost motor (as opposed to a boost-sustain motor) and thus NEEDS to climb to store kinetic energy into potential energy.

Also, please don't argue too much here, it's rather pointless. One of the people you are arguing with once opened a thread saying the reason bombs aren't dropped from high-altitudes is because "the gravity is too low and they hit the aircraft" lol.

 

[airomerix]

I seldom moderate these days, as I am usually on phone. So I apologize for that.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct. Secondly, I've heard that the B and C versions display lofting behavior, not the other version. Perhaps that's why there is confusion in the members.

These members refuse to learn. That is the sad part. I mean who resorts to abuses and calling names over mere discussion.

Anyway back to the topic. The version fielded by PAF is the C-5 version. Once fired at any altitude over a range of 10 nm plus, it exhibits lofting behavior. The kills on 27th were a typical example of high level lofting. Since both the targets were at high altitudes FL250+.

Furthermore, AIM120 has a boost motor (as opposed to a boost-sustain motor) and thus NEEDS to climb to store kinetic energy into potential energy.

Also, please don't argue too much here, it's rather pointless. One of the people you are arguing with once opened a thread saying the reason bombs aren't dropped from high-altitudes is because "the gravity is too low and they hit the aircraft" lol.

Thanks a lot. You're absolutely right. Also, the missile needs minimum G interference while homing at terminal phase and the descend supports this by giving it more maneuverability with reduced energy loss.

 

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I'm more interested in knowing which wvr was used to score the famous kill of (___). The MKI kill was pretty much confirmed by IAF themselves when they showed the so called evidences at press brief. The other bvr kill is rather sad and unfortunate but it was not done deliberately. War and skirmishes has a fatal toll on lives and get unrelated people get killed.

 

[airomerix]

I'm more interested in knowing which wvr was used to score the famous kill of (___). The MKI kill was pretty much confirmed by IAF themselves when they showed the so called evidences at press brief. The other bvr kill is rather sad and unfortunate but it was not done deliberately. War and skirmishes has a fatal toll on lives and get unrelated people get killed.

Which kill are you referring to if I may ask?

 

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Which kill are you referring to if I may ask?

The wvr or the other bvr one?

 

[airomerix]

The wvr or the other bvr one?

Wvr.

No Wvr was used by Pakistan in the recent engagement.

 

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Wvr.

No Wvr was used by Pakistan in the recent engagement.

Abhinandan was not shot by bvr bro. We did fire 2 Amraams which both successful downed enemy crafts.

 

[Mace]

Abhinandan was not shot by bvr bro. We did fire 2 Amraams which both successful downed enemy crafts.

Trying to understand PAF tactics - 4 Su30 appear on your HUD and you fire 1 amraam??

How can one be so sure only 2 amraams in total were fired against India’s claims of upto 5 amraam launches?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Trying to understand PAF tactics - 4 Su30 appear on your HUD and you fire 1 amraam??

How can one be so sure only 2 amraams in total were fired against India’s claims of upto 5 amraam launches?

We also have SD-10 you Indiot @Mace and where are the rest of AMRAAM remains you indtiot if they fell within the IOK @Mace

 

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Trying to understand PAF tactics - 4 Su30 appear on your HUD and you fire 1 amraam??

How can one be so sure only 2 amraams in total were fired against India’s claims of upto 5 amraam launches?

We don't speak out much. Infact PAF, ISPR has not even officially said this. If you know Pak Mil, we are like this You are free to believe or not. But I can guarantee you that when you get to know the truth of 27, you will then realize and understand why IAF narration of events in public are what they are. All I can say is seek out the truth yourself. Don't believe our side and even your side. No one will open up that day generally in IAF easily.

 

[Mace]

We also have SD-10 you Indiot @Mace and where are the rest of AMRAAM remains you indtiot if they fell within the IOK @Mace

Did you read @huchiman post above my post? As per his post 2 amraams were fired one at bvr range and another in a wvr engagement. And both amraam launches ended in kills. No claimed glory for JF17 or SD10.

Just because you shout gibberish does not make you right?

We don't speak out much. Infact PAF, ISPR has not even officially said this. If you know Pak Mil, we are like this You are free to believe or not. But I can guarantee you that when you get to know the truth of 27, you will then realize and understand why IAF narration of events in public are what they are. All I can say is seek out the truth yourself. Don't believe our side and even your side. No one will open up that day generally in IAF easily.

You are actually adding another layer to the already muddied narrative from both sides.

If Abhi went down to amraam in wvr then F16s were indeed close to LOC on 27th.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Did you read @huchiman post above my post? As per his post 2 amraams were fired one at bvr range and another in a wvr engagement. And both amraam launches ended in kills. No claimed glory for JF17 or SD10.

Just because you shout gibberish does not make you right?

At the time of air battle our F-16 were doing CAP well inside Pakistani airspace (50 KM) at this range AMRAAM become fire and forget weapon, means it will not needed further data link updates and zoom for kill (seeker directly lock on to the target) and you're shouting a gibberish not me you Indiot @Mace

You are actually adding another layer to the already muddied narrative from both sides.

If Abhi went down to amraam in wvr then F16s were indeed close to LOC on 27th.

Where is the proof, that our F-16 were at the LOC, at close ranges AMRAAM become fire forget weapon means its not needed further data link update from launch jet, you indiot @Mace

 

[Mace]

At the time of air battle our F-16 were doing CAP well inside Pakistani airspace (50 KM) at this range AMRAAM become fire and forget weapon, means it will not needed further data link updates and zoom for kill (seeker directly lock on to the target) and you're shouting a gibberish not me you Indiot @Mace


Where is the proof, that our F-16 were at the LOC, at close ranges AMRAAM become fire forget weapon means its not needed further data link update from launch jet, you indiot @Mace