Missile Strike Above LOC

[CriticalThought]

No one asks for the credibility of what you claim and write. Let him write what he wants. If you agree good and if you disagree then too bad. I went through his posts... doesn’t look like he made any outrageous claims.

Oh but they should ask. That is the point. I believe the discourse would be elevated to another level if we held each other to a higher standard.

Let me explain the concept of outrageousness to you. Let's say I make the statement "Imran Khan spilled water over his clothes". As such, there is nothing outrageous about it. Yet, you will ask me for proof. And if not you, then most people will be outraged if I can't provide verifiable proof, or I claim insider information when nobody knows who I am. And this would be perfectly normal outrage.

What is disconcerting is the trend amongst Pakistanis that we are only too eager to lap up anything thrown at us if it seems to reinforce the biases we hold. And once a critical mass of people believes in it, the others follow without questioning. That is exactly what's going on here, and I realize I am raising an issue that causes dissonance with this fundamental Pakistani trait. However jarring some find this, we must confront this issue.

 

[airomerix]

Someone ask this loose talker to pay attention to the following post and ask @Windjammer for his sources in the same manner. Apparently he claimed the same thing as I did.

S/L Hassan was flying an F-16B with a high ranking official as his GIB and commanding the overall operation.

The GIBS was a senior air officer. No one needs to know why they were up there. Thats why you get only 2 names.

Yet I was responded in the following manner.

What is the credibility of this information? Stop spewing bull sh*t out of your arse on the forum.

This guy is nothing short of a disrespectful idiot who brings disgrace to the entire forum. He holds grudges and vendetta's. Everyone knows how to spur hate whilst sitting behind the keyboard. But there are rules which need to be followed. Slowly but surely, this guy will get himself banned. After spurring more filth on this forum. Sadly.

 

[CriticalThought]

Prove him wrong otherwise refrain from using such language!

Let's review what is meant by 'proof'.

A logical statement a => b stands true if b is true whenever a is true.

This logical statement becomes a tautology if it is always true.

A theorm is a statement of the form a => b, which is proven using tautologies of the form a => a_1, a_1 => a_2, ..., a_n => b. The sequence of tautologies is called a proof.

Some statements are not tautologies. For example, the boolean formula a V (!b ^ c) (NOTE: ! represents boolean negation and ^ represents boolean conjunction) can be either true or false depending on the values of a, b, and c. To make it concrete, let's say "Either the Apple is blue, or the mangoe is not yellow and the oranges is purple". In order to 'prove' this seemingly fantastic statement, you need to look at where the person making it is coming from. This is no longer a case of theorem proving. If someone makes the assertion that this statement is true, they will be asked to provide evidence, in the form of pictures or news stories, or articles etc. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It is the responsibility of the reader to ask for proof.

 

[loanranger]

Let's review what is meant by 'proof'.

A logical statement a => b stands true if b is true whenever a is true.

This logical statement becomes a tautology if it is always true.

A theorm is a statement of the form a => b, which is proven using tautologies of the form a => a_1, a_1 => a_2, ..., a_n => b. The sequence of tautologies is called a proof.

Some statements are not tautologies. For example, the boolean formula a V (!b ^ c) (NOTE: ! represents boolean negation and ^ represents boolean conjunction) can be either true or false depending on the values of a, b, and c. To make it concrete, let's say "Either the Apple is blue, or the mangoe is not yellow and the oranges is purple". In order to 'prove' this seemingly fantastic statement, you need to look at where the person making it is coming from. This is no longer a case of theorem proving. If someone makes the assertion that this statement is true, they will be asked to provide evidence, in the form of pictures or news stories, or articles etc. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It is the responsibility of the reader to ask for proof.

 

[CriticalThought]

Someone ask this loose talker to pay attention to the following post and ask @Windjammer for his sources in the same manner. Apparently claimed the same thing as I did.





Yet I was responded in the following manner.



This guy is nothing short of a disrespectful idiot who brings disgrace to the entire forum. He holds grudges and vendetta's. Everyone knows how to spur hate whilst sitting behind the keyboard. But there are rules which need to be followed. Slowly but surely, this guy will get himself banned. After spurring more filth on this forum. Sadly.

So @Flight of falcon and @loanranger @GriffinsRule you see no disrespectful language here. @The Deterrent I can see you are a biased individual who turns a blind eye to the other party.


@WebMaster @The Eagle @Oscar @Horus @waz this is now the second time I am flagging a personal attack against myself.

Meanwhile Mr @airomerix you are a triggered loser who stands exposed and is now lowering down to personal attacks. Why do you insist on showing your upbringing in this crude manner? I have already colorfully described both your flatulence and your corpolith that makes you one loony individual. As I said before, I will keep giving captions to your pathetic mediocrity.

 

[airomerix]

So @Flight of falcon and @loanranger @GriffinsRule you see no disrespectful language here. @The Deterrent I can see you are a biased individual who turns a blind eye to the other party.


@WebMaster @The Eagle @Oscar @Horus @waz this is now the second time I am flagging a personal attack against myself.

Meanwhile Mr @airomerix you are a triggered loser who stands exposed and is now lowering down to personal attacks. Why do you insist on showing your upbringing in this crude manner? I have already colorfully described both your flatulence and your corpolith that makes you one loony individual. As I said before, I will keep giving captions to your pathetic mediocrity.

Keep telling yourself that. Very interesting negative ratings though.

Dismissed.

 

[CriticalThought]

Keep telling yourself that. Very interesting negative ratings though.

Dismissed.

Wait and watch. Biasedness can persist for only so long.

 

[loanranger]

O bhai ithay Jirga karo dasti. Ithay kam kharab horaha hai.

 

[Arsalan]

So the basic theory which is left to be debunked is. At what range does an AMRAAM typically is while it completes it LOFT performance and homes in towards the target at level flight. Am I correct?

No.
I really dont understand why we are making things so complicated. I am just asking for a simple question and an honest answer will end this debate between you and @CriticalThought which have starting to look more and more like a fight now. Just want to end that.


So here is the simple question:

1. Will the AIM-120 ALWAYS used the loft approach where the missiles shoots up to certain height and then comes down on target OR is some cases it can follow direct approach as well
2. Will the missile STILL be coming at target from top in the final stages or will at terminal stage it will level off and chase/shoot the target from a side or behind.

So once we establish this much, no technicalities, personal attacks or abuses, i hope we will sort out this matter.

 

[The Eagle]

This the most clear image of PAF Missile attack against Indian aircraft. The image was captured from Nowshera Sector on Indian side of LOC. There were Two IAF aircraft in formation.
One IAF aircraft is seen doing a tight turn to evade the missile streaking towards it while the other in the back ground is seen breaking to the right and losing height after being hit.
The missile contrail is clearly visible above the power lines.



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There is another trail in picture Windi. Save it for later and it will establish what they found calling piece of an AMRAAM which in fact, did hit something while Indians helped us to establish. Later.