Missile Strike Above LOC

[Pakhtoon yum]

Pakistanis are still not clear about their own narrative of what happened even till date. There is confusion till this day in the narrative. It started with claiming capture of two pilots which claim was later changed to one. Clearly Pakistan is hiding some important facts about what actually happened on the 27th.

There must be clouds in the sky, those tend to mess with people's heads

 

[Vapnope]

It's not changing again and again.

Even that is not the case. You can argue that these weren't the official statements but these were the statements all over your media when no Official tried to point that out.
1 - From 300 casualties to we cannot tell the casualty number
2 - All pilots and aircrafts accounted for to Pakistan has our pilot and a plane
3 - Abhi shot F16 and confirmed it to ground controllers to his comms were jammed

 

[airomerix]

You have an amateurish attitude towards words you hear from highly trained professionals. When the pilot says firing AMRAAM at less than 10nm doesn't deserve being in the cockpit, he is talking about the 90% of cases. You take those words, and you treat them as lines in stone, not realizing that actual war is unpredictable and that same pilot will go FOX 3 at WVR range if that is what's needed to save his as*.

Until messiach confirmed, we did not have any credible information on the Su-30 kill. Which should make it obvious to yourself that your credibility is non-existent at this point. If you attempt to gain credibility through intellectually dishonest means, you will only make a fool of yourself.

I give two **** of what you think.

Also do not quote me again. idiot.

 

[CriticalThought]

You give two **** of what you think.

Also do not quote me again. idiot.

@WebMaster @Oscar @Horus @waz @Jango

You know when I respond, I do it 'full force'. But I always point out the offender and give due time for moderation. You can't blame me for being offensive.

I give two **** of what you think.

Also do not quote me again. idiot.

You will quickly see that I respond as I like and when I like.

 

[airomerix]

Pakistanis are still not clear about their own narrative of what happened even till date. There is confusion till this day in the narrative. It started with claiming capture of two pilots which claim was later changed to one. Clearly Pakistan is hiding some important facts about what actually happened on the 27th.

We are not sure about the events of 27th because our air force hasn't been going around conducting press conferences. Feeding their own version of events. Hence the questions.

But sooner or later hard evidences like bison's downing will emerge. Its just about time.

Trying to understand PAF tactics - 4 Su30 appear on your HUD and you fire 1 amraam??

How can one be so sure only 2 amraams in total were fired against India’s claims of upto 5 amraam launches?

Because missile fire requires authorization. And only two authorizations were given that day.

I am very confused by the Pakistan narrative after reading all your comments.

We have been stating since February 27th we shot 2 Indian planes using Jf17 and SD10a missile. For us this was an eye opener because we successfully tested our future defence fighter aircraft.

If both kills were done by f16 block 52 then why weren't the bigger numbered defence fighter Jf17 used in the engagement and on top our military confirmed f16 was not used as it is stationed far away from the border and Jf17 was used since it has become our defence fighter.

Can somebody please clarify this
@airomerix
@Windjammer
@Jango

The JF-17 was brought at the forefront to avoid disturbing the Indian lobby in Washington. Hence we claimed that F-16s were not used. It was a blunder. Everyone says that.

The kills were done by the following.

F-16AM -29 Squadron ----- Mig 21 Kill
F-16BM - 9 Squadron ------ Su-30 Kill

Wg Cmdr Nauman Ali Khan is currently OC 29.

However Block 52's were no way near LoC. They are keeping vigils eye on southern borders. ​

 

[Vapnope]

You have an amateurish attitude towards words you hear from highly trained professionals. When the pilot says firing AMRAAM at less than 10nm doesn't deserve being in the cockpit, he is talking about the 90% of cases. You take those words, and you treat them as lines in stone, not realizing that actual war is unpredictable and that same pilot will go FOX 3 at WVR range if that is what's needed to save his as*.

Until messiach confirmed, we did not have any credible information on the Su-30 kill. Which should make it obvious to yourself that your credibility is non-existent at this point. If you attempt to gain credibility through intellectually dishonest means, you will only make a fool of yourself.

I'd suggest you to show some respect to @airomerix. He posted something 5 years back about F16s and SU 30 engagement and it proven to be true at 27 Feb 2019.
Just for the record Messiach, Bilal Khan 777 and Oscar have confirmed the flanker kill in this forum.

 

[PakAlp]

The JF-17 was brought at the forefront to avoid disturbing the Indian lobby in Washington. Hence we claimed that F-16s were not used. It was a blunder. Everyone says that.

The kills were done by the following.

F-16AM -29 Squadron ----- Mig 21 Kill
F-16BM - 9 Squadron ------ Su-30 Kill

Wg Cmdr Nauman Ali Khan is currently OC 29.

However Block 52's were no way near LoC. They are keeping vigils eye on southern borders. ​

Ok but am thinking why the jf17 fighter was not used as a front line fighter with its sd10a missile. In your opinion do you think if we pitted jf17 block 2 against the mig21 and su30mki would paf have struggled to take effective action.

If paf changes it stance from jf17 to f16AM then I believe even the block 52s could have be used, after all they are the most lethal weapon we have in our inventory

 

[CriticalThought]

I'd suggest you to show some respect to @airomerix. He posted something 5 years back about F16s and SU 30 engagement and it proven to be true at 27 Feb 2019.
Just for the record Messiach, Bilal Khan 777 and Oscar have confirmed the flanker kill in this forum.

I give respect to honesty and technical correctness. I am critical of Pakistanis as a nation for being gullible and easily led. All this business of insider information shared by cluebies who cannot discuss the subject on technical merits only serves to discredit the forum and makes us the target of ridicule. I have found him confidently spouting incorrect information on multiple threads. On one thread messiach gently pointed out his amateurish mistake but he stuck to his claims. This kind of behavior does not deserve respect.

 

[airomerix]

^Someone give this idiot a medal.

After getting beaten on technical grounds he resorts to vomiting on the forum. @CriticalThought

 

[Imran Khan]

یار اب تم لوگ کیا چاہتے ہو پی اے ایف ویڈیوز راڈار ڈیٹا وائس ریکارڈ سب کچھ انٹر نیٹ پر اپلوڈ کرے ایس اپہلے کبھی ہوا تھا کیا ؟ کونسی ائیر فورس ایسا کر رہی ہے ۔ ترکی نے جو روسی جہاز مارا تھا کیا اسکا سارا ڈیٹا پبلک ہو چکا ؟

 

[CriticalThought]

^Someone give this idiot a medal.

After getting beaten on technical grounds he resorts to vomiting on the forum. @CriticalThought

@WebMaster @Oscar @Horus @waz I find my usual style a bit limited because it is a Ramadan night in Sydney. But Eid is right around the corner and I promise retribution in my style which you know very well.

Meanwhile the technical details are available for everyone to see for themselves.

 

[airomerix]

^PDF ka badmash. Talking about restrain in Ramadan.

What a joke of a character.

 

[CriticalThought]

^PDF ka badmash. Talking about restrain in Ramadan.

What a joke of a character.

At least I have the decency to respect Ramadan. You don't even have that much. And since you have bad English in addition to bad knowledge of aerospace technologies, the correct word is badass of PDF.

 

[waz]

Keep the personal insults out of this please.

 

[airomerix]

Keep the personal insults out of this please.

Thank you for arriving. Please go through last 3 pages to see what this guy has been upto.