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@razgriz19
* NOT all, Mirage air frames are 'ancient'. There are newer air frames with considerable amount of hours left.
* We don't need a large number of Mirages for this role. A handful will cut it for us.
* Yes i'm aware that there is the parts issue. However i'd ask you to watch the PAC presentation about the Mirage factory. We can easily build new parts for air frame upgrades, retrofitting and newer avionics package if needed.
* We still have a large quantity of these Mirages. If the parts like the engine parts ain't available, we can still keep these handful ELINT/EW jets flying for the forseeable future by 'cannibalizing' parts from the jets that have been phased out.
* Jf-17s for this role will be 'too expensive' for our pocket.
* Please note that i'm not arguing to raise a large quantity of such ACs but a handful of them, according to our needs.
Gents, i was thinking that instead of phasing out all Mirages, the PAF should keep a handful of Mirage-III-ROSE jets with lesser air frame hours.
They should, put them through the structural upgrades to extend their life a bit longer, strip up its weapons systems/sub systems. Then they should be installed with a powerful Electronic Warfare, Electronic Counter Measures, Electronic Counter, Counter Measures, Electronic Decoys and a sophisticated Jamming suite.
These Mirages have IFR, Long range, datalink, the ground support infrastructure and training is in already in place. When retrofitted for a dedicated 'ELINT/EW' these Mirages because of their speed and range, would be able to perform 'Escort Jamming' as well as 'Stand Off Jamming' as well as being able to Jamm SAM threats.
If the gun bay system is replaced with a 'Low-High Bandwith Jamming' suite, it will allow for the 'podded' EW suites to be employed on the external hard points, which means that it may be able to carry Air to Ground anti radiation ordnance too.
I think instead of putting all of the Mirages through a chain saw, we should use a handful of those air frames to be used as a dedicated ELINT/EW platform to complement the Dassault Falcon-20s and Hawker-800s. JF-17s can't be used for this role because it will cost us $20-25 million, for the plane alone. Upgrading a good handfull of our old Mirage-III ROSE to fulfill this role would be a 'cost effective' way of doing it.
Please have your say.
Thanks l Aero
@Oscar @TaimiKhan @gambit @Luftwaffe @Dazzler @Manticore @Pfpilot
we must not retire any aircraft even F7pg we must send them to study completely buy our young engineer then they make changes add fuel tanks redesign cockpit enhance weapon carrying capability work on engine start learning reverse engineering as China did and made its own J11 and J15 through reverse engineering.Gents, i was thinking that instead of phasing out all Mirages, the PAF should keep a handful of Mirage-III-ROSE jets with lesser air frame hours.
They should, put them through the structural upgrades to extend their life a bit longer, strip up its weapons systems/sub systems. Then they should be installed with a powerful Electronic Warfare, Electronic Counter Measures, Electronic Counter, Counter Measures, Electronic Decoys and a sophisticated Jamming suite.
These Mirages have IFR, Long range, datalink, the ground support infrastructure and training is in already in place. When retrofitted for a dedicated 'ELINT/EW' these Mirages because of their speed and range, would be able to perform 'Escort Jamming' as well as 'Stand Off Jamming' as well as being able to Jamm SAM threats.
If the gun bay system is replaced with a 'Low-High Bandwith Jamming' suite, it will allow for the 'podded' EW suites to be employed on the external hard points, which means that it may be able to carry Air to Ground anti radiation ordnance too.
I think instead of putting all of the Mirages through a chain saw, we should use a handful of those air frames to be used as a dedicated ELINT/EW platform to complement the Dassault Falcon-20s and Hawker-800s. JF-17s can't be used for this role because it will cost us $20-25 million, for the plane alone. Upgrading a good handfull of our old Mirage-III ROSE to fulfill this role would be a 'cost effective' way of doing it.
Please have your say.
Thanks l Aero
@Oscar @TaimiKhan @gambit @Luftwaffe @Dazzler @Manticore @Pfpilot
from Pac's website, there seem to be a comprehensive testing protocol for electronic subsystems.We outsource most of our substrate and chipset manufacturing to China. They can minaturize it but QA remains a major issue.
from Pac's website, there seem to be a comprehensive testing protocol for electronic subsystems.
from Pac's website, there seem to be a comprehensive testing protocol for electronic subsystems.
@Oscar
QA = Quality Assuarence?
So you are saying that 'designing' such a package is not impossible for us, but QA of chipsets built in China is?
Electronic Warfare is about denying the enemy the ability to (re)direct and re(focus) his weapons. The analogy is blinding him or doing something to force him to close his eyes, not about blocking his punches and kicks. That means if you are going to develop a dedicated jammer, your air combat doctrines must contain provisions to preemptively attack an enemy's air force which necessitate the company of an aircraft whose sole mission is to blind the enemy while your other aircrafts attacks the enemy's means of waging war. Those means could be an ammo factory, ships at docks, or an air base.
Mirage air frames have outlived their useful life for many decades. looking at the attrition rates I dont see any wisdom in flying these relics. let them rest in peace with graceNot for the Mirage. But perhaps for the Da-20. However, the issue is with mismanagement(as is with India) and vested interests.
If pod can work with Chinese F7, why not with Mirage.
South Africa modernizing its Mirage fleet. Recently new pods for Mirage/Cheetach C.
If pod can work with Chinese F7, why not with Mirage.