Military Equipment Transfers From All Countries to Pakistan 1950-2010

[arp2041]

The big reason is money. We don't have the money to get new equipment since its very very costly and time consuming,

All the platforms mentioned by you are already in service with us, years of experience on them, we have the trained manpower and the infrastructure, changing so many platforms at a time would be one hell of a task and expensive, that is why PA / PN & PAf are all going for a gradual upgradation of their systems, get old ones upgraded somewhat, then slowly add new platforms from somewhere else. Target the most important and crucial things first, secondary things later.

We have no other option.

you mean to say that though it seems that PAF is catching in nos. with the IAF, PAF will be technologically far behind the IAF?? I mean u are inducting more & more of F-16 jets, which were first flown in the 70s & whatever be the upgrade done to the jets it will still remain an old jet & PAF plans to operate it for next 2-3 decades. How can it compete with Rafale, FGFAs which the IAF plans to induct in a decade or so??

 

[KRAIT]

you mean to say that though it seems that PAF is catching in nos. with the IAF, PAF will be technologically far behind the IAF?? I mean u are inducting more & more of F-16 jets, which were first flown in the 70s & whatever be the upgrade done to the jets it will still remain an old jet & PAF plans to operate it for next 2-3 decades. How can it compete with Rafale, FGFAs which the IAF plans to induct in a decade or so??

We have significant edge over them but they are not very far behind. Infact, as a defensive force like theirs, we should always be wary of. Indeed Rafale and Super Sukhoi will increase this gap, FGFA will be the game changer(which we won't see before 2019, according to A.K. Antony). But they are getting J-10B(if things work out financially) and might get fifth gen after 2020

 

[asad71]

* August 18, 1965 : Pakistani Air Force C-130B 12648, former USAF 61-2648, c/n 3691, supplied under MAP, was written off after it veered off runway on landing.
* July 15, 1966 :[51] Pakistani Air Force C-130B 24142, former USAF 62-4142, c/n 3768, supplied under MAP, of 6 Sqn., crashed into mountain in Pakistan. All ten aboard killed.
* April 30, 1968 : L-100 c/n 4145, bought by Pakistan government for Pakistan International Airlines, October 1966, registered AP-AUU; operated by Pakistani Air Force, serial 64145, coded 'U'. Crashed when wing broke in turbulence near Chaklala, Rawalpindi, Pakistan.
* July 8, 1969 : C-130B, 62-3490, c/n 3700, MAP to Imperial Iranian Air Force, 5-103, of the 5th Air Transport Squadron, (1967). Sold to Pakistani Air Force, serial 23490, coded 'Q'. Civilian registration AS-HFQ applied. Burned during refuelling at Islamabad - as of October 1986, hull was on dump at Islamabad.
* March 4, 1970 : C-130B, 62-3489,c/n 3699, MAP to Imperial Iranian Air Force, 5-102, of the 5th Air Transport Squadron, (1965). Sold to Pakistani Air Force, serial 23489, of 6 Squadron, written off.
* February 1, 1979 : Pakistani Air Force C-130B 23488, c/n 3698, former USAF 62-3488, then MAP to Imperial Iranian Air Force, 5-101, of the 5th Air Transport Squadron; sold to Pakistani Air Force, 23488, coded 'P', registered AQ-ACP, then AS-HFP, jumped chocks during night engine test run, collided with c/n 4117, written-off. Hull at Lahore, June, 1981.
* February 1, 1979 : Pakistani Air Force C-130E 10687, c/n 4117, former USAF 65-10687, then MAP to Imperial Iranian Air Force, 5-106, of the 5th Air Transport Squadron, renumbered 5-102, November 1973; sold to Pakistani Air Force, 10687, coded 'D', hit by c/n 3698 when it jumped chocks during night engine test run, written-off. Hull at Lahore, June, 1981.
* August 17, 1988 : Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, President of Pakistan from 1978, was killed when the C-130B he was on (PAF 23494, ex-USAF 62-3494, c/n 3708) crashed shortly after take off from Bahawalpur. All on board were killed, including the US ambassador to Pakistan, a US general and 17 top ranking Pakistan Army personnel. Two of the scheduled passengers who did not board the aircraft later reached the highest rank in Pakistan Army, chiefly because most of their seniors died in this incident. One of them was General Pervez Musharraf, president of Pakistan from 2001 to 2008. Although many people do not consider this an accident, neither Pakistan nor the US government properly investigated the incident and made the findings public. Some researchers claim that there was a bomb hidden in the mango crates which were loaded on the plane without proper clearance. Eyewitnesses claim that the aircraft exploded in the air. Such claims were declared false by the government and the remains of the aircraft were swiftly disposed of.[52]
* September 10, 1998 : C-130B, former USAF 62-3491, c/n 3701, to Imperial Iranian Air Force under MAP, 1965, 5-104, of the 5th Air Transport Squadron. Sold to Pakistani Air Force as 23491, of 6 Squadron, coded 'V'. To Transport Conversion School, coded 'W', as of October 1985. Civil register AQ-ACV. Hit on ground by c/n 3781 at Rawalpindi air base, burned, written off.

* September 10, 1998 : C-130B, former USAF 62-4143, c/n 3781, to Pakistani Air Force under MAP as 23491, of 6 Squadron, coded 'O', March 1963. Civil register AS-HFO as of August 1984. Camouflage by 1986, same, March 1988. Suffered brake failure due to wheel well fire, hit c/n 3701 on ground at Rawalpindi air base, burned, written off.

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Quiet a few losses.

I understand some C-130s were acquired by PIA officially with insurance coverage, etc but were used by PAF with PAF markings.

 

[arp2041]

We have significant edge over them but they are not very far behind. Infact, as a defensive force like theirs, we should always be wary of. Indeed Rafale and Super Sukhoi will increase this gap, FGFA will be the game changer(which we won't see before 2019, according to A.K. Antony). But they are getting J-10B(if things work out financially) and might get fifth gen after 2020

Indeed if you see the PAF as it will be in the foreseeable future - They will mainly consists of F-16 + JF-17(forming the bulk) + J-10B (not sure though). Even though they induct these in great nos. & may match IAF squadron to squadron (not possible after 2015 since IAF will be inducting 100s of new jets), PAF cannot compete with IAF technologically - super sukhois + FGFA + Rafale + LCA + mirage-2000s (with upgrades).

 

[TaimiKhan]

you mean to say that though it seems that PAF is catching in nos. with the IAF, PAF will be technologically far behind the IAF?? I mean u are inducting more & more of F-16 jets, which were first flown in the 70s & whatever be the upgrade done to the jets it will still remain an old jet & PAF plans to operate it for next 2-3 decades. How can it compete with Rafale, FGFAs which the IAF plans to induct in a decade or so??

Buddy, i have no idea why its so hard for you guys to understand a simple concept, no matter how old F-16 jet is, it will be a formidable jet after their MLU upgrades and the Blk 52s are one hell of a jet. PAF is adding numbers but with quality too, be it Chinese or American ones. Don't worry PAF will not go down as easily as you guys think it will. Just give it a few years.

Indeed if you see the PAF as it will be in the foreseeable future - They will mainly consists of F-16 + JF-17(forming the bulk) + J-10B (not sure though). Even though they induct these in great nos. & may match IAF squadron to squadron (not possible after 2015 since IAF will be inducting 100s of new jets), PAF cannot compete with IAF technologically - super sukhois + FGFA + Rafale + LCA + mirage-2000s (with upgrades).

Have you seen the future ?? Do you have any idea that you are comparing all the jets of IAF in your post which are non existent as of now to PAF jets which have some in service, some are getting added with more combat capability in the near future and then just like IAF, we have future programs too, we may not be able to counter IAF in number to number but rest assured we will not be far away from you guys in quality in the future about which you are talking about. All the jets of PAF future, F-16 MLU + Blk 52(+) + J-10Bs & JF-17 are going to be technologically best and able to give a tough fight. And then don't forget we have the 5th Gen option from China too and their progress on the 5th Gen tech is seems much more better compared to from where IAF will get its 5th Gen tech.

Anyway, this discussion can be held in other threads as this one is for some specific topic and we are going off topic.

 

[arp2041]

^^^^ thanks for replying, din't wanted to go off topic, just wanted some answers

 

[IHK_PK]

USA-PAKISTAN Post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:!

! Eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million)
! About 6,312 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; 2,007 delivered);
! More than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
! Six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
! Six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
! One ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, old 12 also refurbished and delivered)
! 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).


Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:

! Up to 60 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477
million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 45 such kits)
! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million PNF and $53 million in FMF).


Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:

! 18 new F-16’s, 12 F-16C’s and 6 F-16D’s, Block 50/52 combat aircrafts (valued at $1.43 billion; all delivered)
! 500 AIM-120C AMRAAM air-to-air BVR missiles. ! 1,450 3rd gen 2,000-pound bombs
! 500 JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs ! 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits for gravity bombs ($629 million)
! 100 Harpoon BLOCK III, 84A Various variants, anti-ship/anti-Sub both air/ship launched missiles ($298 million)
! 500 AIM-9M Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million)
! Six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
! 32 Falcon STAR upgrade kits for F-16’s A/B.
! 46 Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) kits for F-16’s A/B upto Block 40++ standard.

Major articles transferred via EDA include:

! 14 F-16A/B combat Aircrafts refurbished/new block 15.
! 59 T-37 military trainer jets’ and their spare parts and engines.
! 550 M-113 armored personnel carriers…………

 

[umair86pk]

The thing i love about Indians is their superiority complex which is hilarious they say F-16 is old look at Block 60 with all its gadgets and datalink systems it leaves SU-30MKI far behind Russians can't compete with US in avionics.Their Mighty SU-30 also flew in 1977 in prototype form and is continuously being upgraded throughout the years its only 2 years younger than F-16. Rafale flew in 80s and still hasn't achieved full AESA capability yet.

 

[Azazel]

The thing i love about Indians is their superiority complex which is hilarious they say F-16 is old look at Block 60 with all its gadgets and datalink systems it leaves SU-30MKI far behind Russians can't compete with US in avionics.Their Mighty SU-30 also flew in 1977 in prototype form and is continuously being upgraded throughout the years its only 2 years younger than F-16. Rafale flew in 80s and still hasn't achieved full AESA capability yet.

Too bad you don't have any F 16 block 60.Talk about it when you buy it.
And Su 30 MKI was first flown in 2000.And Rafale,since last month It has full AESA capability.

 

[fatman17]

Iraqi Army receives Talha APCs.

Last posted:
2006-03-23

The Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq (MNSTC-I) recently finalised the distribution to the Iraqi Army of Pakistan's Heavy Industry Taxila (HIT)-manufactured Talha tracked armoured personnel carriers (APCs).

HIT signed a contract with the Iraqi Ministry of Defence in November 2004 for delivery of 44 Talhas, 60 Al Mohafiz Security Vehicles and 300 Aahan Armoured Guard Posts.

The total value of the contract is about USD31 million.

Following initial deliveries in March 2005, the Iraqi Army distributed 14 Talhas to its 3rd Division, which is responsible for security in north-western Iraq, while the remaining 30 vehicles have been issued to 9th Mechanised Division based in Taji near Baghdad.
Iraq is the first export confirmed customer for the amphibious Talha. Equipped with mounts for 7.62 mm or 12.7 mm machine guns, the Talha APC was developed by HIT based on the BAE Systems Ground Systems Division (formerly United Defense) M113 APC manufactured in Pakistan on licence.

HIT said it has introduced about 90 design changes to increase the vehicle's capabilities. Reports from Pakistan suggest that the Pakistani Army placed a contract in 2002 for 250 Talhas that were to be delivered in 2005 and 2006. Until recently no confirmation of the Talha APC's production had been available.

In the interim, an undisclosed unit of the 1st Division, Iraqi Intervention Force (IIF) has become the first confirmed foreign user of the Mohafiz 4 x 4 armoured cars, also developed and manufactured by HIT.

Although the first example of the Mohafiz was based on a Toyota Land Cruiser chassis, the vehicles for the IIF were built on a Land Rover 110 chassis.

The overall shape of the hull also differs slightly from that of the Toyota Land Cruiser chassis. The Mohafiz can carry eight people and is equipped with up to 10 firing ports in its welded aluminium hull. The vehicle has a bulletproof windscreen and run flat tyres. A manually operated one-person turret armed with a 7.62 mm PK machine gun and a two-part roof hatch are mounted on the forward part of the roof.

Iraqi Army divisions have also received some 100 Aahan Armoured Guard Posts, while the remaining 200 will be distributed over the course of the next couple months, MNSTC-I sources said.

some detailed info on the Talha order to Iraq

 

[Jango]

300 Aahan Armoured Guard Posts....

Any info on these guard posts?

What are they?

 

[fatman17]

Any info on these guard posts?

What are they?

first i've heard about them.

 

[farhan_9909]

Any info on these guard posts?

What are they?

http://202.83.164.28/modp/userfiles1/file/MoDP Data/Year Book 2010-11.pdf

check out this.picture along with specs

if you ever had a visit to Bannu(2 of them are with the local police just infront of lakki gate)


More importand points to Note in the above link are

*The engines for Al zarar are being manufactured under license in HIT
*Burraq MRAP could with stand upto 14kg tnt blast

 

[Jango]

http://202.83.164.28/modp/userfiles1/file/MoDP Data/Year Book 2010-11.pdf

That looks a raelly handy thing for point defense....

Another thing, on page 21, there is mention of conversion of 105mm T-59 turrets to 100mm for FC. Any idea why change the caliber?

 

[Dazzler]

That looks a raelly handy thing for point defense....

Another thing, on page 21, there is mention of conversion of 105mm T-59 turrets to 100mm for FC. Any idea why change the caliber?

105 mm was considered an overkill for their task and maintenance heavy, hence 100mm was deemed sufficient.