Military Equipment Transfers From All Countries to Pakistan 1950-2010
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sir what are the updates ?
sir what are the updates ?
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its too expensive to make indigenous weapons that are required in small numbers...
developmental costs are too much..technical staff is too expensive to make and sustain..
we are infact a third world country..
i think the case would have been somewhat differnt if we hadnt lost half of our economy and people in 71
developmental costs are too much..technical staff is too expensive to make and sustain..
we are infact a third world country..
i think the case would have been somewhat differnt if we hadnt lost half of our economy and people in 71
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US also offer F5 to Pakistan but Pakistan refused.The F-5s Transferred from Saudia and later returned to the source seem to be missing from the list.
During the 1971 War, different types of fighters from some friendly countries were temporarily transferred to the PAF. Of these groups, a formation of three F-5As with PAF markings are shown here entering the Pakistani territory. The pilots who ferried the F-5s were:-
Squadron Leader: Tahir Kheli
Squadron Leader: Zaigham Aizad
Flight Lieutenant: Bilal Khan
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i think it turned out better then i thought at least in the long term more damage wasnt done then what could have happened may be i am wrong but hey its a free world
I think the all the information which has been given in the post is very interesting and the pictures are also is very interesting.I also read in the history book of the army regalement that many equipment will be transfered to the PAKISTAN and many officers, too.
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Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001
Prepared for the Congressional Research Service by K. Alan Kronstadt, Specialist in South Asian Affairs (1/4/11)
Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included items useful for counterterrorism
and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of “big ticket” platforms more suited to conventional
warfare. In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases have been made with Pakistani national funds, but U.S.
grants are currently eclipsing this in recent years. The Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements
with Pakistan worth about $5.4 billion for FY2002-FY2010 (in-process sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related
equipment account for more than half of this). The United States also has provided Pakistan with more than $2.1
billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) since 2001. These funds are used to purchase U.S. military
equipment for longer-term modernization efforts. Pakistan also has been granted U.S. defense supplies as Excess
Defense Articles (EDA).
Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:!
!eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million, two
delivered);
! about 6,312 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; at least 2,007 delivered);
! more than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
! six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
! one ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, 12 refurbished and delivered); and
! 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).
Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477
million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 45 such kits); and
! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
! 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52 combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion; 17 delivered to date);
! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500
JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for
gravity bombs ($629 million);
! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
! six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
Major articles transferred via EDA include:
! 14 F-16A/B combat aircraft;
! 59 T-37 military trainer jets’ and
! 550 M-113 armored personnel carriers.
The Pentagon has notified Congress on the possible transfer to Pakistan of three P-3B aircraft as EDA grants that
would be modified to carry the E-2C Hawkeye airborne early warning suite in a deal worth up to $855 million,
but this effort has not progressed beyond the notification stage. Under Coalition Support Funds (part of the
Pentagon budget), Pakistan has received 26 Bell 412 utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance,
valued at $235 million. Under 1206, Frontier Corps, and Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund
authorities, the United States has provided four Mi-17 multirole helicopters (another six were provided
temporarily at no cost), two King Air 350 surveillance aircraft, 450 vehicles for the Frontier Corps, 20 Buffalo
explosives detection and disposal vehicles, hundreds of M-141 Bunker Defeat Munitions, helicopter spare parts,
sophisticated explosives detectors, night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and
large amounts of other individual soldier equipment. The United States has also funded and provided training
for several hundred (at least 370) Pakistani military officers.
Source: U.S. Department of Defense
Prepared for the Congressional Research Service by K. Alan Kronstadt, Specialist in South Asian Affairs (1/4/11)
Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included items useful for counterterrorism
and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of “big ticket” platforms more suited to conventional
warfare. In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases have been made with Pakistani national funds, but U.S.
grants are currently eclipsing this in recent years. The Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements
with Pakistan worth about $5.4 billion for FY2002-FY2010 (in-process sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related
equipment account for more than half of this). The United States also has provided Pakistan with more than $2.1
billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) since 2001. These funds are used to purchase U.S. military
equipment for longer-term modernization efforts. Pakistan also has been granted U.S. defense supplies as Excess
Defense Articles (EDA).
Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:!
!eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million, two
delivered);
! about 6,312 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; at least 2,007 delivered);
! more than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
! six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
! one ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, 12 refurbished and delivered); and
! 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).
Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477
million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 45 such kits); and
! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
! 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52 combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion; 17 delivered to date);
! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500
JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for
gravity bombs ($629 million);
! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
! six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
Major articles transferred via EDA include:
! 14 F-16A/B combat aircraft;
! 59 T-37 military trainer jets’ and
! 550 M-113 armored personnel carriers.
The Pentagon has notified Congress on the possible transfer to Pakistan of three P-3B aircraft as EDA grants that
would be modified to carry the E-2C Hawkeye airborne early warning suite in a deal worth up to $855 million,
but this effort has not progressed beyond the notification stage. Under Coalition Support Funds (part of the
Pentagon budget), Pakistan has received 26 Bell 412 utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance,
valued at $235 million. Under 1206, Frontier Corps, and Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund
authorities, the United States has provided four Mi-17 multirole helicopters (another six were provided
temporarily at no cost), two King Air 350 surveillance aircraft, 450 vehicles for the Frontier Corps, 20 Buffalo
explosives detection and disposal vehicles, hundreds of M-141 Bunker Defeat Munitions, helicopter spare parts,
sophisticated explosives detectors, night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and
large amounts of other individual soldier equipment. The United States has also funded and provided training
for several hundred (at least 370) Pakistani military officers.
Source: U.S. Department of Defense
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It means E-2C hawkeye deal is ON
As well as P-3B
As well as P-3B
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Pakistan starts implementation of policy for arms export
04 July, 2012
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has promulgated policy guidelines to regulate the export of conventional arms and ammunitions, Foreign Office said on Tuesday.
The statement issued by the Foreign Office said this initiative reflects the abiding commitment of Pakistan to advance the goals of peace and security, through conventional arms control and regulation of trade and related aspects of these weapons. The guidelines represent formalisation of the existing national practices for export of conventional arms and related components. The policy framework seeks to promote adherence to the principles and purposes of the UN Charter, reaffirmation of states' right to self-defence and security, compliance with UN Security Council arms embargoes, sub-regional and regional peace, security and stability considerations and conformity with national security and foreign policy objectives of the country. These guidelines were evolved by the Inter-Ministerial Policy Group on Conventional Arms, which included representatives from ministries of defence production, defence, commerce, industries, interior and others. The inter-ministerial group is also seized of other relevant conventional arms issues, including streamlining of licencing, imports as well as implementation of the UN Programme of Action on Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW).
yes if FMS funds are made available. PK may not have own funds for these programs.
04 July, 2012
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has promulgated policy guidelines to regulate the export of conventional arms and ammunitions, Foreign Office said on Tuesday.
The statement issued by the Foreign Office said this initiative reflects the abiding commitment of Pakistan to advance the goals of peace and security, through conventional arms control and regulation of trade and related aspects of these weapons. The guidelines represent formalisation of the existing national practices for export of conventional arms and related components. The policy framework seeks to promote adherence to the principles and purposes of the UN Charter, reaffirmation of states' right to self-defence and security, compliance with UN Security Council arms embargoes, sub-regional and regional peace, security and stability considerations and conformity with national security and foreign policy objectives of the country. These guidelines were evolved by the Inter-Ministerial Policy Group on Conventional Arms, which included representatives from ministries of defence production, defence, commerce, industries, interior and others. The inter-ministerial group is also seized of other relevant conventional arms issues, including streamlining of licencing, imports as well as implementation of the UN Programme of Action on Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW).
yes if FMS funds are made available. PK may not have own funds for these programs.
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I don't understand why Pakistan is so willing to accept US cast offs like T-37, Cobras, M-113,Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate, F-16 C/D, P-3, C-130E, Bell 412 etc which have all been retired for decades or are in the process of being phased out. Surely it is counter-intuitive to induct equipment that is already outdated and beyond/coming to an end of their service lives' ? This is just an effective way for the US to get rid of their cast-offs that would otherwise sit and rot in mammoth military surplus yards.
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The big reason is money. We don't have the money to get new equipment since its very very costly and time consuming,
All the platforms mentioned by you are already in service with us, years of experience on them, we have the trained manpower and the infrastructure, changing so many platforms at a time would be one hell of a task and expensive, that is why PA / PN & PAf are all going for a gradual upgradation of their systems, get old ones upgraded somewhat, then slowly add new platforms from somewhere else. Target the most important and crucial things first, secondary things later.
We have no other option.
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EDA sales with upgrades is a huge market. many nations participate in it. with upgrades the platform are just as good as brand-new platforms (except u dont get the smell of a new cockpit etc)
Pakistan tightens export guidelines in response to global measures
Jon Grevatt, Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter - Bangkok
Pakistan has tightened guidelines to regulate the export of indigenously manufactured conventional military equipment, its Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) has announced.
The MoFA said on 3 July that the move is intended to "promote adherence" to a range of national and international principles, including the national security policy objectives of Pakistan, UN Security Council arms embargoes and the UN Arms Trade Treaty (ATT).
The development is notable because it came on the same day that the UN commenced negotiations over the ATT at its New York headquarters. The ATT aims to introduce a unified set of standards for arms transfer controls, which will ensure that conventional weapons are not exported to governments with questionable human rights records.
Commenting on its updated arms control guidelines, MoFA said: "This initiative reflects the abiding commitment of Pakistan to advance the goals of peace and security through conventional arms control and regulation of trade and related aspects of these weapons." It added that the updated guidelines formalise existing national practices governing the export of arms and related components.
The implementation of the guidelines - which were drafted by a Pakistan inter-ministerial policy group - will be overseen by the Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) through a mechanism of "licensing, inter-ministerial consultations and end-user certificate requirements", said MoFA.
The primary agency within the MoDP tasked with promoting international defence sales is the Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO). This agency was established in 2000, although it did not become a permanent body until 2011.
DEPO has overseen what it claims is a period of considerable growth in international sales of Pakistan-made materiel. The then director general of DEPO, Major General Muhammad Ijaz Hussain Awan, told IHS Jane's in 2010 that defence exports had grown to more than USD400 million annually by 2009. This figure represents a 30 per cent increase over reported exports achieved in 2008, while DEPO had previously stated that from 2003 until 2005 international sales of defence goods reached USD100 million per year.
DEPO says that Pakistan's key defence export markets include Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
According to DEPO, there are more than 20 state-run defence companies in Pakistan and over 100 private companies. While most are focused on the production of conventional materiel, their capabilities have been boosted considerably over the past decade due to Pakistan's defence industry partnership with China.
The two countries have collaborated on the development of Sword-class (F-22P) frigates, missile patrol boats, the JF-17 fighter aircraft, the Al Khalid I main battle tank and an airborne early warning and control aircraft.
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^ thanks for the reply!
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