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Militants gouge out both eyes of Indian Army jawan in J&K

No way for a soldier to be treated but then the Indian Army is not exactly a champion of human rights.

A report said that over 2000 Indian soldiers in IOK have committed suicide..... any possibility this was a self inflicted injury. !!
 
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No way for a soldier to be treated but then the Indian Army is not exactly a champion of human rights.

A report said that over 2000 Indian soldiers in IOK have committed suicide..... any possibility this was a self inflicted injury. !!

:astagh: :astagh:

Indians tou khuda ka WARDAN hain :angry:
 
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Just wait and see what the IA does to "freedom fighters" that are unfortunate enough to be taken alive ...IA is also equally brutal. These cowards all act tough in numbers but caught alone they will cry like a baby ....case in point that talibunny executioner who was caught by pak army they were dragging him through the streets peeling his skin off in the process...he was pleading and crying like a baby...i think even worst fate awaits the guys who did this act .
 
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They are smart. I see Indians are becoming afraid and Kashmir fighters and will have no choice but to let them go free!
Wait till the Tibetans take up Armed struggle...now they are only fighting you with self-immolation....wait till they take the approach of the Uyghurs
 
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EzioAltaïr;4117013 said:
The timeline you mentioned is utterly wrong. India was not involved until Pakistan reached the gates of Srinagar. Ad the instrument of accession legally says the land is ours, so Pakistan is the occupying force.

And the violence, there are many more examples of Sikhs, Hindus being slughtered in Pakistan. Both side massacred the other back then.

blind yourself to the truth........the good old indian way
 
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@dabong1, thanks for your patience. Here is my reply.

Thanks for at least taking the time to read the post.

No problem it was the least I could do, given how much time you had spent on it and how clearly well written it was.

I was being kashmir specific and showing how the state was involved in the killings and it was not just spontaneous riots.
I am not blind that i dont not recognize that muslim also committed killings against hindus during the partition but the kashmir issue is slightly different......the partition killings where done by the mob and where overall not backed by the state which was not the case in kashmir.

Thanks. And ok, I am all ears.

The 1947 carnage left several Muslim majority populated villages in Jammu district alone totally Hindu or Sikh populated. In Jammu district alone, which is a part of the larger Jammu province, Muslims numbered 158,630 and comprised 37 per cent of the total population of 428,719 in the year 1941. In the year 1961, Muslims numbered only 51,693 and comprised only 10 per cent of the total population of 516,932. The decrease in the number of Muslims in Jammu district alone was over 100,000. That there was a design to change the demographics.

dabong, do you have a neutral source for this contention? This is very disturbing data.

After a few hours spent online (based on what you and the poster before you wrote) I know that the information exists, but I am trying to get a neutral opinion. I know that Ilyas Chattha has done work on the subject- I cam across a paper of his which I cannot trace at the moment- but he is not neutral either (IMO). Does anyone have the original UK newspaper articles mentioned substantiate this, or UN reports, etc?

Where do i mention "kaffirs" or go on about "Islamic virtue"?

You did not. I unfairly characterized your opinion as such. My apologies for putting words in your mouth.

I for one have never said that muslims carried out no killings-rapes-robberies during the partition and it was just hindus.....am not delusional.

Got it.

But thats not the point,the point is about kashmir and how most indians do not know anything about the killings carried out by the Dogra army

If true this is most disturbing. I do not reject what you’re saying out of hand, only ask for help to research this further to arrive at my own independent conclusion. But I will say that based on my preliminary readings this came as a great shock to me. It could be that they just erased this inconvenient part of our history. We’ll see.

and how the indian army crossed into kashmir before a single pak army-tribesman croosed into kashmir to help the kashmir forces near poonch.

This is where our narratives may diverge. I am not sure at all whether this happened in the order you describe it. In fact, IMO the opposite happened. I suggest to you that in this case, your historians may not be speaking the complete truth.

Its a bit like me not mentioning anything about OBL and 9-11 and starting the story from "US INVADES AFGHANISTAN"..........you guys love to leave out the back story and start from a point that makes you look like the good guys.

True- we Indians are pompous and hypocritical! Everything worth creating was created in India first! We are holier-than-thou :lol:

But I still don’t believe the IA crossed into Kashmir first.

Am taking you probably didnt know about the dogra murders
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I am not quoting the rest of your post as I think I have answered those points previously. This one though- yeah, I definitely did not know about this and would like to know more. If it is true, then more Indians should know about it.

By the way thanks for your patience and desire to engage in a civil manner.
 
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The 1947 carnage left several Muslim majority populated villages in Jammu district alone totally Hindu or Sikh populated. In Jammu district alone, which is a part of the larger Jammu province, Muslims numbered 158,630 and comprised 37 per cent of the total population of 428,719 in the year 1941. In the year 1961, Muslims numbered only 51,693 and comprised only 10 per cent of the total population of 516,932. The decrease in the number of Muslims in Jammu district alone was over 100,000. That there was a design to change the demographics.

The change in demographics (I couldn't verify your numbers though) also involves migration. Hindus migrating from the valley and Muslims towards.

What is there to understand?......partition was based on muslim majority areas going to pakistan and hindu areas going to india and under that simple rule it is without a shadow of a doubt that kashmir should go to pakistan.
That was not enough so you invaded and then Nehru himself asked the UN to come in and sort the issue out with a promise to hold a vote under the UN where the people of kashmir would get there wishes.

The choice was given to the princely states. Though for that, I admit India was not fair enough in that regards either. But the 'invasion' was on request of king, as not sending the army was the trick India used to force the king to merge in India.
 
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They are smart. I see Indians are becoming afraid of Kashmir fighters and will have no choice but to let Kashmir go free!
How old are you ?

Why don't you ask any older Chinese how long world and Pakistanis have been saying that we will Take Kashmir.

Many have wasted their life and money trying. Some has lost their other half because of it.

Indians are not wall. India is like water. It erodes even stones. And remember the power of Tsunami and flash floods.

Just pray that we don't become like them.

But like a river, a life giving and and important for any civilization.

India is River, my friend. It may be polluted right now, but still, we are river.
 
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F*ucking animals. I hope they find him and give him an animal's end.
 
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HAHAHHA.
You got dates,times and names but you want me to find the original article with probably a picture of the journalist holding the piece swearing on oath that he wrote the article.
You got access to the internet to prove me wrong........do it.

Any TOM DICK and Harry write name , date and Wold but that dont make Proof,

Yesterday N.K realised a Video showing US white house burning , after sometime you will show the Video to world and say hey NK burned the White house.

if you don't know, nothing is in formed accepted without links.....

every other religion lives in coexistence, Hindu, Buddhism , Christian etc but where ever in the world muslim is no matter which ever religion is they have fight , they have fight with Hindu, buddhist, Christian, hans etc.

Tell me one place where Muslims have lived with other religion in coexistence? Non.
 
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Please be on topic.

They are giving this as a message that they will torture our soldiers and humiliate them and this will continue.This is a way to provoke our military. Time to reply back in a clever but deadly way.
 
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That's true. If you have to kill a man (to defend your country/people) then at least make it quick with a bullet.

Eye-gouging is just inhumane.

William the Conqueror gouged out all the eyes of his victims, and on his death bed he could not stop crying because he finally realized just how cruel it was, and he was being paid back for it in his final moments by what was left of his conscience.

Exactly, just shoot 'em if it comes to that - Mutilation is sick
 
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wait what? 2014 is not even here..

Trailer abhi se shuru? :lol:

poor indians..2000 indian soldiers committed suicide...

Please be on topic.

They are giving this as a message that they will torture our soldiers and humiliate them and this will continue.This is a way to provoke our military. Time to reply back in a clever but deadly way.

Who are "they"?

F*ucking animals. I hope they find him and give him an animal's end.

stfu.

You do 10x worse to Palestinian women, children on DAILY basis...
 
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