Mian Atif, PTI and Oriya Maqbol Jaan..

[insight-out]

Orya Maqbool is economically immature in his views. He starts off talking about how we should have no interest or negative interest rates. He is correct from an Islamic position but spreading misinformation in terms of modern economics. The reason post 2008 interest rates were low, or negative was to encourage spending to stop the recession worsening. Interest rates have slowly started to go up on. I'm not advocating higher interest rates, in fact we should long term work towards an interest free banking model, but it's not something that can be done right now.

When I heard him talk about interest rates, I was surprised myself. I was hoping someone would comment on it, so thanks. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people have no idea about interest rates, so they just believe what he says.

It is not true that there was no interest after 2008. The existing banking system is based on interest. There is a difference between a bank rate set by a country's central bank to manage its monetary policy, trade, etc., and the interest rate, which is what banks charge each other or their customers - two connected, but different things.

The low and negative rates he was talking about were the bank rates, and were only a temporary measure. They were not the interest rates that banks charge their customers.

It is true that many conventional banks and economies are more interested now in Islamic banking principles, and are even offering "shariah compliant" banking services. But the dominant financial system is still very much based on conventional, interest-based banking.

 

[mzain]

Very well put. I agree 100%. This is just drama baazi for the sake of it.



Because he's a Pakistani who's a world renowned specialist in his field. It might come as a surprise to you but we don't have many of those. Why would we ignore him because ignorant people who don't know anything about economics, hate him for his religion?

first, He not a born Pakistani. Secondly, what can go so wrong, without his suggestions. I mean, are all other Pakistani economist dead or incapable?

 

[insight-out]

first, He not a born Pakistani. Secondly, what can go so wrong, without his suggestions. I mean, are all other Pakistani economist dead or incapable?

IK is not desperate for Atif Mian's expertise. Like you said, he is one of many brilliant minds who can advise and help. I think it really is a matter of principle. That is why IK is not backing down.

 

[313ghazi]

first, He not a born Pakistani. Secondly, what can go so wrong, without his suggestions. I mean, are all other Pakistani economist dead or incapable?

The man made a choice. Bigotry is the only reason behind the objection to his choice. He should face down bigotry. This is the best time to do it politically too. In 5 years time there'll be loads of other stuff to discuss, this will have been a dead issue.

I am not a born Pakistani either, it makes no difference. He has nationality, so do I. He is paid to do a job, not govern. Do you ask your Doctor where he was born, or where he studied? Or do you just accept he is a medical professional? Do you only use Pakistani trained doctors? Or do you look for a doctor who is qualified to treat you.

This guy is recognised as one of the best in the world in his field. We could manage just fine without him, but why waste a world class resource if it is available to you?

 

[El Sidd]

It comes into play at election time. Don't elect legislators whose positions you disagree with.

I am strictly against the role of Religion in politics.

Religion is for legislation.

For me instead Senate should discuss purely Quran for legislation

 

[CIS-TRANS]

What I believe is irrelevant. I’m not asking for the constitution/laws to be changed to declare Ahmadis as Muslim. I’m calling for the constitution to take zero position on this. Leave religion to be practiced privately. The State should not be deciding who is or isn’t a Muslim.

State have every right to intervene in an issue that have a potential to pull this nation in greater chaos. State have every right to resolve an issue before it kills. State is trying to save itself and qadyanis.

Stop the dog whistle, what does that have anything to do with the economy?

He is not discussing economy but rather discussing what is unislamic in constitution. Read before bothering

 

[Optimist_forever]

Level of Pakistan education, whom our libtards are very proud, cannot produce an single economist.

 

[Kabira]

first, He not a born Pakistani. Secondly, what can go so wrong, without his suggestions. I mean, are all other Pakistani economist dead or incapable?

Economy isn't going get fixed with nation full of extremists and terrorists. Pakistan is isolated with little FDI. No one is going to buy products from sponsor of extremism. Soon I expect Zimbabwe like crisis in Pakistan as remittances from Gulf dry out.

 

[El Sidd]

Economy isn't going get fixed with nation full of extremists and terrorists. Pakistan is isolated with little FDI.

So which one are you?

 

[El Sidd]

Economy isn't going get fixed with nation full of extremists and terrorists.

So which one are you?

Ismaelis are on par with ahmadis if not worse yet no one talk about them? Why? Because large part of Gilgit is made up of Ismaelis. Good luck declaring them kafirs and giving away Gilgit. Pakistan is one hypocrite nation.

Shias are not compatible with our Islam and have fakedup customs like muttah. Everyone in heera mandi is shia, prostitution is their halal profession. Yet they are allowed roam free and are considered muslims? Because they make up large part of Pakistan population.

Ahmadis are like 0.01% and easy target by coward state and extremists.

Dont bother i got the answer

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Ghulami ey Rasool mien moat b qabool hai…
Jo ho na Ishq e Mustafa tu zindagi fazool hai...

Jo begairat Khatam e nabowat ko nahien manta woh humien qabool nahien...@mian atif

ok as you wish.Go and die in netherland and moot qabool qaro . We don't need religious bigots, there is no place of Extremism in country. These qadians 1000 time peaceful people than molvi madrasa tola everyday voilence on streets.

 

[RealNapster]

I want to know hasan nisars take on this... he once distroyed Orya for living in lala land...
@Zibago , @Mentee , @Hell hound

 

[Maarkhoor]

I want to know hasan nisars take on this... he once distroyed Orya for living in lala land...
@Zibago , @Mentee , @Hell hound

He is drunkard....don't believe on him.

ok as you wish.Go and die in netherland and moot qabool qaro . We don't need religious bigots, there is no place of Extremism in country. These qadians 1000 time peaceful people than molvi madrasa tola everyday voilence on streets.

Travel to Rubuwa and just tell them you are Muslim and upon return tell me your experience.

ok as you wish.Go and die in netherland and moot qabool qaro .

Mera mulk meri marzi.....

 

[RealNapster]

He is drunkard....don't believe on him.

Okay. So now you will decide my likes/dislikes and my “believe” on people ?? Isn’t that “against” the same constitution that declare Ahmadis nonmuslim ??

Why do we forget that they are “non muslim PAKISTANIS” ?? A hindu can be chief justice but a non muslim Ahmadi cam’t be a “member” (head to dorr ki baat) of an economic committee ??

Bhai iqtisaadi council ka member hy islami nazriati councel ka ni

 

[T-Faz]

A newly formed Country in 1947. Under dictatorship mostly till fall of Dhaka and that ahmadi phenonmenon was hardly known to the public.

Democracy ensured the will of the muslimeems

The were riots in the early 1950s against Ahmadi's which were instigated by Maulana Maududi. He wanted legitimacy in Pakistan after opposing it's creation and the then Punjab Governor used the riots as a way to destabilise the government.

The army brutally quelled the riots and sentenced Maududi to death. Saudi Arabia requested that he be pardoned which was granted.

Bhutto picked up the issue to get the right wing on his side and Zia was just a zealot.

This is a brief lesson for you my son. Next time I'll teach you more. Help you make something of yourself.