Mi-17 down, 26 troops martyred

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Military spokesman didn't denied claim of 'captured pilot'?

Should we take talibaan's claim correct? Might be they are the first one to reach on the scence. any inside news

The chopper did crash in hostile territory, but that does not necessarily mean that the Taliban shot it down.

Landing in hostile territory does leave open the possibility that any survivors could have been captured. The spokesperson may not have addressed the issue of captured troops because they have not finished searching for the bodies/wreckage.

 

[Faruqi]

Here comes the suckers:
Taliban claims downing Pakistan Army helicopter
Taliban claims downing Pakistan Army helicopter
DPA
July 3rd, 2009

ISLAMABAD - The Taliban Friday claimed to have shot down a Pakistan Army helicopter in the country’s lawless tribal region, a media report said.

A spokesman for the Islamic militants told Sama television that the Taliban had also captured the pilot of the helicopter gunship.

If the claim is correct, it could be the first helicopter brought down by the Taliban in Pakistan.

However, a military spokesman denied the claim. “The helicopter crashed in the Orkzai tribal district due to a technical fault,” Major General Athar Abbas said.


Wonder what took then so long to 'submit' the claim and that too to Sama TV.

The downed helicopter is an MI-17, which is a utility helicopter, not a gunship. The Taliban don't even know what kind of helicopter it is, therefore I seriously doubt they downed it.

 

[Xeric]

You all know that PTV have been always late in breakinf any news; reason, it has to ensure 101% before released the news as it was the official channel, on the other hand the private channels have been 'lose' on breaking news. Similarily, ISPR is quiet wary about its release, so let's wait and see what ISPR comes out with finally.

As for the claim, i would only say,that if they dont even knwo if it was a gunship or cargo chopper, how can they even talk about it. As for the pilots, as the initial news told us all aboard were dead.

 

[HAIDER]

Xeric what seating capacity of this helo. Is it overloaded. According to one Russian ex serviceman , it was overloaded that's why it was crash.

 

[Xeric]

Xeric what seating capacity of this helo. Is it overloaded. According to one Russian ex serviceman , it was overloaded that's why it was crash.

The capacity is 32 passengers or 4,000 kg, you can see yourself if it was overloaded or not. But, i am not clear if some cargo was also there in addition to the 26 men.

 

[Coolyo]

Ina Lillahi Wa Ina Lillah!

The Shaheed don't die! May they rest in peace, Insha Allah!

The Taliban is doomed to fail, Insha Allah!

Pakistan Zindabad!

 

[Lockheed F-16]

May Allah give their families the strength to overcome the losses.

May Allah give us strength to overcome that much losses in this war against the mountain$h!t

 

[Always Neutral]

The downed helicopter is an MI-17, which is a utility helicopter, not a gunship. The Taliban don't even know what kind of helicopter it is, therefore I seriously doubt they downed it.

Dear F,

I must say you are more clueless than the Taliban. The Mi-17 are used frequently as gunships. The have two rocket pods and a rear machine gun to give covering fire. On another tangent I have heard that the Iraqi insurgents have perfected the act of using a RPG to bring down US Black Hawks. It goes this way

1. Chatter on the radio showing a high value target is going to camp in a village.

2. A couple of guys on motor cycle ride into the village at dusk so the drones pick up the same.

3. More chatter that the boss has arrived and will be there for 24 hours and has first hand knowledge about some bigs ops tempting enough to get him alive.

4. The village / camp is located within a valley minimum 4000 feet high.

5. 4 men teams of taliban have already been perched on the hills as goat herders more than 24 hrs below. Each carry 2 RPGs and two rounds each on their backs.

6. They let the recce gunships like apaches thru since they are heavily armoured and target the troop carrying helicopeters which follow.

7. They also video this for propoganda purpose.

Maybe they just got lucky but the RAF has also been warned that Iran has passed on some nice ways to re-activate the old Stringers.

I doubt the the PAF has the EEW tech to neutralise them like the USAF.

Maybe MuradK can give his opinion ?

However crash or no crash a huge propoganda victory for the Taliban.

Regards

Ps : If the dead are SSG etc than the taliban may have set a trap. If they were just AF people then could be a crash

 

[Always Neutral]

May Allah give us strength to overcome that much losses in this war against the mountain$h!t

Both the killed and killers (if it was shot down) are muslims who believe in the same allah so why will he take sides ?

Regards

 

[qsaark]

Both the killed and killers (if it was shot down) are muslims who believe in the same allah so why will he take sides ?

Regards

Why there is concept of hell and heaven? Why should God send one group to the hell and reward the other with the heaven, even though, He is the creator of the both? Because God will reward those who follow his instructions and may choose to punish those who ignored his commands.

 

[Xeric]

However crash or no crash a huge propoganda victory for the Taliban.

Wow!
i think you missed Agno's post on this.

Ps : If the dead are SSG etc than the taliban may have set a trap. If they were just AF people then could be a crash

Both the killed and killers (if it was shot down) are muslims who believe in the same allah so why will he take sides ?

Strange you still think that 'they' are believers of Allah, Allah who named his last religion as 'Peace'!!

 

[Always Neutral]

Wow!
i think you missed Agno's post on this.





Strange you still think that 'they' are believers of Allah, Allah who named his last religion as 'Peace'!!

It is not for me to know who is right as I never met Allah and nor do I wish to.

BM says he is following the path of Allah while killing PA soldiers.

PA say they are following the path of Allah while killing TTP.

So how do you know who is right till u meet allah if he exists ?

Regards

 

[Xeric]

It is not for me to know who is right as I never met Allah and nor do I wish to.

BM says he is following the path of Allah while killing PA soldiers.

PA say they are following the path of Allah while killing TTP.

So how do you know who is right till u meet allah if he exists ?

Regards

Thnx but you are beyond my intellect. i cant even reach where your acumen begins.

i beg you to ignore my comments in future!

 

[Always Neutral]

Why there is concept of hell and heaven? Why should God send one group to the hell and reward the other with the heaven, even though, He is the creator of the both? Because God will reward those who follow his instructions and may choose to punish those who ignored his commands.

hello Mr. Qsaark

Please read my post again and see what context I said it in. Mr. F said that the soldiers killed will go to Jannat whereas as I said that both the killers as well as the killed (if it was not a crash) were all muslims and both believe in allah. Only Allah knows whom he will accept.

Regards

 

[Always Neutral]

Thnx but you are beyond my intellect. i cant even reach where your acumen begins.

i beg you to ignore my comments in future!

Please feel free to ignore my intellect but wake up in the morning and ask Gen M and gang etc. why they allowed TTP to become so strong as to defy PA where u serve and kill at will ?

Regards