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Media Reports Wrong, Current ICJ Directive Not Legally Binding on Pakistan. No Stay Order.

Man likes to tour perhaps. Man likes an adventure maybe?

Does not make him a spy...

A business man does not venture into uncharted territory, but why did he use a fake name??? he clearly came on a phantom mission which badly flopped and his minions were caught upon providing info.
 
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So ISI took a risk of venturing into Iran and picked up Jhadav out of 4000 Indians working in Iran.
I wonder why the risk was taken only for "HIM" not for any out of those 4000 working in Iran.
He is "Ex Navy" as some of the guys say, why he would need another passport when Iran and India enjoy a close relationship. The religion angle being used for fake passport is too hard to digest.
 
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So ISI took a risk of venturing into Iran and picked up Jhadav out of 4000 Indians working in Iran.
I wonder why the risk was taken only for "HIM" not for any out of those 4000 working in Iran.
He is "Ex Navy" as some of the guys say, why he would need another passport when Iran and India enjoy a close relationship. The religion angle being used for fake passport is too hard to digest.

German diplomat and scholar Dr Gunter Mulack, while speaking at the Pakistan Institute of International Affairs on Friday on the topic of ‘Crisis in the Middle East — A German Perspective’, has reportedly said, “The Indian national recently arrested in Balochistan was actually caught by the Taliban and sold to Pakistani intelligence.”
 
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ICJ has not taken a position against Pakistan on Jadhav!
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On the Indian government’s application to the ICJ to ask for the release of the Indian spy, Kulbashan Jadhav, amongst other things, Sartaj Aziz stated today, “We are analysing the Indian petition and the International Court of Justice’s (ICJ) authority [on the case],” While talking to media, Advisor on Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz said that Pakistan would respond to the letter on Thursday.

On May 8, India submitted an application to the International Court of Justice against Pakistan’s arrest of the Indian spy, Kulbhushan Jadhav. The ICJ President, Judge Ronny Abraham, who wrote to the Government of Pakistan on May 9, to not undertake any action on the Jadhav case until the ICJ has had a chance to examine India’s petition against Pakistan.

India petitioned the ICJ to move against the decision of the Pakistani Field General Court Martial which sentenced Jadhav to death on charges of espionage.

“In my capacity as president of the court, and exercising powers conferred upon me under Article 74, paragraph 4, of the rules of the court, I call upon Your Excellency’s Government, pending the court’s decision on [India’s] request for the indication of provisional measures, to act in such a way as will enable any order the court may make on this request to have its appropriate effects.”

Read more: Kulbhushan’s death sentence: a “Circuit Breaker” or “Grand Bargain”?

In his letter to the Pakistani government, Judge Abraham said he was acting under his Article 74 (4) powers. Under Article 74, section 4 of the rules of the court states: “Pending the meeting of the court, the president may call upon the parties to act in such a way as will enable any order the court may make on the request for provisional measures to have its appropriate effects”.

India petitioned the ICJ to move against the decision of the Pakistani Field General Court Martial which sentenced Jadhav to death on charges of espionage.

This was its first approach of the ICJ in the last 46 years since 1971. On the last occasion, it was to challenge the right of the International Civil Aviation Organisation that had declared India’s move illegal over banning Pakistani flights in its airspace opportunistically during the East Pakistan civil war. India had claimed at the time it was doing this because of a terrorist hijacking of its airplane. India lost that case at the ICJ.

The Indian argument being made at the ICG is based on what it claims is Pakistan’s violations of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which allows foreign country prisoners to be visited by their national diplomatic representatives.

In its application, India claims that Jadhav was abducted from Iran where he was supposedly on business and “then shown to have been arrested in Baluchistan” on March 3. India has accepted the Jadhav was a serving officer in the Indian Navy.

The ICJ press release states:

“The Applicant contends that it was not informed of Mr. Jadhav’s detention until long after his arrest and that Pakistan failed to inform the accused of his rights. It further alleges that, in violation of the Vienna Convention, the authorities of Pakistan are denying India its right of consular access to Mr. Jadhav, despite its repeated requests.”

Read more: Pakistan must give one message on India’s self-confessed “state actor”

India told the Court that it learnt about the death sentence of Jadhav from an ISPR press release issued on April 10.

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India also alleges that Jadhav’s rights had not been respected and the military court proceedings which led to his sentencing were not in alignment with legal norms.

The Indian argument being made at the ICG is based on what it claims is Pakistan’s violations of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which allows foreign country prisoners to be visited by their national diplomatic representatives.


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ICJ has not taken a position against Pakistan on Jadhav!
 
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German diplomat and scholar Dr Gunter Mulack, while speaking at the Pakistan Institute of International Affairs on Friday on the topic of ‘Crisis in the Middle East — A German Perspective’, has reportedly said, “The Indian national recently arrested in Balochistan was actually caught by the Taliban and sold to Pakistani intelligence.”
So basically who is right? Pakistan saying they caught Jhadav in balochistan or India which states Jhadav was picked up from Iran?
 
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Wish common sense was not so uncommon
Here is the press release from International Court of Justice
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/168/19420.pdf

More releases would follow on...



Your country has signed the "Declarations Recognizing the Jurisdiction of the Court as Compulsory"



Source: http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3&code=PK


I agree 100% with you education is literally impossible for some and so does is patience to understand things.
Did you read the ICJ Press release ? Its dated 9th May describing events of 8th May and in regard to same i said more releases will come soon.

Getting back to your Twitter snapshot of SushmaSwaraj's Tweet.
I hope you realize its of 10th May 4:36 AM if thats IST time, then insane work timing for a MEA who is recovering from kidney transplant.

And I hope you do understand that this must be the first hand information that she got from system. Press release in regard to same should come up on ICJ website in a day or two ...i am sorry if you where expecting it to be reported in a press release that was made on 9th which is supposedly talking about 8th may activities.

Its good to use cognitive skills, but missing common sense makes mess of cognitive skills.
No arguments reasonings excuses hang that devil of raw kalboshan if he die nothing will happen 97% of indian raw full of such master goons.
 
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When actual application and request will be released, it will still be an APPLICATION and REQUEST made by INDIA and NOT A DECISION by ICJ.
  • ICJ has not halted any exuecition.
  • ICJ has not instructed Pakistan.
  • India wants it, but it is not known if it will be granted.
  • Indian government and India media is mis-representing this case, they are talking about ICJ's instructions as if they have instructed Pakistan to halt hanging of Kulbhushan - which is not the case.
Hopefully this will make some sense to you - I hope.



Your Sushma and Indian Madia should have made claims 48 later as well. Now accept a response for your own mistakes - and face music of your false statements.

Why are you so confused and so desperate. I remember a lot of people saying on this forum itself that army personal to be spy who mistakenly crossed into pakistan border. People saying like hold him, convict him kill him what happened after few months ?? So its better to wait for final confirmation than passing a judgement. Anyways think what u have to I am off replying so please don't quote
 
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So have Indians accepted the fact that there is no stay order by ICJ and their government and media is making a fool out of them or are they still under delusion that they have a stay order of some sort regarding KBY?

yesterday night they were celebrating it like ICJ has already given verdict in their favor and KY was about to be released lol and some of their so called journalist tweeted about silence at Pakistani camp ......which is actually at Indian side at the moment as details and more clarity about the news started to poured in :D
 
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So have Indians accepted the fact that there is no stay order by ICJ and their government and media is making a fool out of them or are they still under delusion that they have a stay order of some sort regarding KBY?
If you ask for my humble opinion. They are still under the opinion that they have made some significant gain by going to ICJ. They probably don't know that ICJ can't do shit against Pakistan for this case because of two reasons.
1) ICJ is just an international body without and justification or jurisdiction to implement any law. If you remember correctly China had shown the same ICJ verdict on South China Sea the front door. And didn't listen to it's verdict.
2) Pakistan is a member state of common wealth. If you guys remember correctly Pakistan lost the case Atlantique plane . Because India made an excuse that its a member of common wealth and ICJ has no jurisdiction over it. So what makes them wonder now we won't apply the same medicine on them.

But the brain washed Indian nation will not believe any justification we give. I am starting to believe after few months they all will start chanting 'Hail Modi' similar to Nazi
 
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Indian media is illiterate and is misleading Indians. It was an unofficial ICJ release mentioning Indian request only.

I have downloaded a copy of Indian News from Hindustan Times because it is yet another souvenir of their mental condition. They will have remove it shortly. :lol:

Anybody who can read will find it is Indian requests and not a court order.
Watch the highlighted part below.

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It's unofficial because, the court don't make official press releases, because it will be a verdict.
The ICJ already has put a hold on the execution. Your government already received notification stating the hold on execution. Now the court will have a hearing on 15th of may. You can put your arguments there:enjoy:.

Rest is your feel good BS.
 
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It's unofficial because, the court don't make official press releases, because it will be a verdict.
The ICJ already has put a hold on the execution. Your government already received notification stating the hold on execution. Now the court will have a hearing on 15th of may. You can put your arguments there:enjoy:.

Rest is your feel good BS.
Can we see the copy of that notification please?
 
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New Delhi: A day after International Court of Justice stayed the execution order against Kulbhushan Jadhav, a former Indian Navy official accused by Pakistan to be a spy and sentenced to death by a Pakistani military court, questions remain as to how the stay order by the apex court of international laws will be binding on Pakistan.

Yateesh Begoore, a lawyer specializing in public international law who lives in New York, has been closely following the developments in the Jadhav case. Begoore spoke to News18 to answer three key questions around the ICJ ‘stay’ on hanging and said it is not a stay order as understood by people.


India had approached the ICJ against the death sentence and accused Pakistan of “egregious” violations of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. It asserted that Jadhav was kidnapped from Iran where he was involved in business activities after retiring from the Indian Navy. However, Pakistan claimed to have arrested him from Balochistan on March 3, 2016.

Debayan Roy: Is the ICJ order binding on Pakistan? Will the death sentence be put on hold? And do you see Pakistan approaching the ICJ to appeal against this order?

Yateesh Begoore: While many Indian news agencies have reported that the ICJ has issued an order staying the execution of Mr. Jadhav’s death sentence, that is not, in fact, the case. A provisional measure (which is, in some aspects, similar to “stay” under domestic law) can only be ordered by a bench of the ICJ sitting to hear the request for indication of provisional measures filed by India under article 41 of the Statute of the International Court of Justice – this has not happened. The development which is erroneously being reported as a stay is technically a request made by the President of the court under article 74(4) of the Rules of the Court. Under these Rules, the President of the court has the power to “call upon” a party to a dispute to not take any action which would prejudice the ability of the court to award a provisional measure. These requests are not per se legally binding upon the parties to which they are made.

However, since India has made a request for indication of provisional measures, the ICJ is expected to hold an urgent proceeding shortly wherein it will hear and decide upon India’s request. If the court sees fit to order provisional measures at that hearing, such an order will be binding upon Pakistan.

Once the provisional measures are issued, whether Pakistan is willing to violate an order of ICJ, and risk being an international pariah, is a political decision which will be made in Islamabad.

DR: On April 20, the government said that India has asked for consular access to Jadhav for the 15th time. Still India awaits formal response from Pakistan to its two demands – consular access and details of the trial proceedings against Jadhav. What’s the road ahead?


YB: I think the current action taken by the Government of India is the most efficacious manner in which to secure consular access to Mr. Jadhav. The ICJ’s past practice in cases where foreign nationals have been sentenced to death without being afforded consular access has been to order a “review and reconsideration” of the domestic judgment. A similar result may be expected in the Kulbhushan Jadhav case, with the ICJ – in its final judgment – ordering Pakistan to review and reconsider Jadhav’s trial. The review would be conducted while the Government of India exercises its lawful rights under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which includes, providing Mr. Jadhav adequate legal representation.


DR: There are also concerns about the secrecy around Jadhav’s whereabouts. Do you think Pakistan can be legally compelled to disclose the location?

YB: For all intents and purposes, the secrecy around Jadhav’s whereabouts will likely be dispelled through a judgment of the ICJ in India’s favour. Since the receiving state (Pakistan) is obligated under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations to facilitate the protection work performed by the sending state’s (India) consuls in the form of visits, communications and legal arrangements made for detainees, a judgment of the court upholding this right will ensure that Pakistan facilitates access to Jadhav.

http://www.news18.com/news/india/me...binding-on-pakistan-legal-expert-1397623.html
 
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