Media Reports Wrong, Current ICJ Directive Not Legally Binding on Pakistan. No Stay Order.

[graphican]

Heights of insanity, this means this is just the information about case for public knowledge. The actual copy of application of case and request will soon be released.

And I am waiting for press release in regard to 9th May activities and not the copy of application and case.

When actual application and request will be released, it will still be an APPLICATION and REQUEST made by INDIA and NOT A DECISION by ICJ.

• ICJ has not halted any exuecition.
• ICJ has not instructed Pakistan.
• India wants it, but it is not known if it will be granted.
• Indian government and India media is mis-representing this case, they are talking about ICJ's instructions as if they have instructed Pakistan to halt hanging of Kulbhushan - which is not the case.

Hopefully this will make some sense to you - I hope.

well brother wait for next 48 hours, you will get your answer and then talk

Your Sushma and Indian Madia should have made claims 48 later as well. Now accept a response for your own mistakes - and face music of your false statements.

 

[Viny]

Agar ap ko bhi smajh nahi aa rahi to urdu perh lejea.

Indians are lying in the media - as there is no news yet. Sushma is not working in ICJ and there is no "secret first information release" procedure. Entire Indian statements and India media's madness is based on suspicion and they are reporting an event which hasn't happened yet. Smajh aa gai ab?

• UN has already snubbed India on Kulbhushan's case.

By the way, if you understand meaning of Press Release then you would feel less pain of being wrong. So what Indians are currently doing is mere speculation and propaganda without reasoning and they are reporting a decision which is not even announced.

Only if you know whats a press release and whats a court order
Court orders are given in court during proceedings to the concern parties they are not given by the form of press release form court.
Press releases are made by the publicaton department for common public to know what happen in the court in the given case it can be delayed by several hours based on how frequently they make press releases.

When actual application and request will be released, it will still be an APPLICATION and REQUEST made by INDIA and NOT A DECISION by ICJ.

• ICJ has not halted any exuecition.
• ICJ has not instructed Pakistan.
• India wants it, but it is not known if it will be granted.
• Indian government and India media is mis-representing this case, they are talking about ICJ's instructions as if they have instructed Pakistan to halt hanging of Kulbhushan - which is not the case.

Hopefully this will make some sense to you - I hope.

Who is waiting for APPLICATION AND REQUEST?
Just wait for the press release of 9th May activities which might come in next 24 to 48hrs.

Your Sushma and Indian Madia should have made claims 48 later as well. Now accept a response for your own mistakes - and face music of your false statements.

Seriously you think she should wait for press release so that some nut crack like you can believe, when her team already has the judgement copies with them?

 

[Hareeb]

Sala hindustan main jab tak cinema or media hain, log chutiya bante rahen gey.

 

[Mrc]

Surgical strike)??

 

[graphican]

Who is waiting for APPLICATION AND REQUEST?
Just wait for the press release of 9th May activities which might come in next 24 to 48hrs.

Good! So you agree there is no news yet, unless Indian media and Sushma were secretly told by ICJ - there is no ground of speculating that what is coming ahead.

Don't forget, UN has already snubbed India on the same case. It is a case of terrorism and I would want to see who stands with India on that.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

No court in the world can stop the hanging of a known terrorist involved in anti state activities in Pakistan, who was specifically sent by the indian govt to conduct these subversive activities.

The only benefit our enemy can get is the due to the impotence of our present political leadership.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

First of all you can't take us to ICJ because according to India's own deceleration for the recognition of ICJ's jurisdiction, India categorically mentioned that any dispute with a fellow common wealth member will not be in ICJ's jurisdiction.

Remember all the fuss the Saurab Kalia case created and the demand by Indian public to take the case to ICJ, well their government told Supreme Court the same thing, can't take Pakistan to ICJ as it is a common wealth member.

Now we lost our case regarding Atlantique back in 1999 because India does not accept the jurisdictions of ICJ when it comes to disputes with common wealth members.

This was a smart move by India I must say, but in this particular case tough luck to Kalbushan as ICJ won't be able to do s**t about it.

So Dear Indian members, your govt is only making a fool out of you, nothing else. Go read the Indian deceleration of 1974, para 2, this will answer your questions.

And India is not the only country that filed a case in ICJ against us, Marshall Islands took us to ICJ too last year, apparently they wanted us to get rid off our nuclear weapons, you can guess what happened to their plea.

 

[Viny]

Good! So you agree there is no news yet, unless Indian media and Sushma were secretly told by ICJ - there is no ground of speculating that what is coming ahead.

Don't forget, UN has already snubbed India on the same case. It is a case of terrorism and I would want to see who stands with India on that.

Please ask you Pakistan Minister of External Affairs for a copy of Judgement, They must have received the same as Indian MEA received.

Indian Media is reacting based on Information shared by Sushmaji, unforunately your MEA will not share there defeat information with you...So you will have to either rely on Indian Media or wait till the media / publication house of ICJ makes a public release.

@others Sorry, I have to spoon feed someone with basic difference between a press release is and judgement is how and when both are made....

 

[Kathin_Singh]

Calm down folks! This is the stay order.

“In my capacity as president of the court, and exercising powers conferred upon me under Article 74, paragraph 4, of the rules of the court, I call upon Your Excellency’s Government, pending the court’s decision on [India’s] request for the indication of provisional measures, to act in such a way as will enable any order the court may make on this request to have its appropriate effects,” Judge Ronny Abraham of France, the ICJ’s president wrote to the Pakistani government on May 9.

 

[graphican]

Please ask you Pakistan Minister of External Affairs for a copy of Judgement, They must have received the same as Indian MEA received.

Indian Media is reacting based on Information shared by Sushmaji, unforunately your MEA will not share there defeat information with you...So you will have to either rely on Indian Media or wait till the media / publication house of ICJ makes a public release.

@others Sorry, I have to spoon feed someone with basic difference between a press release is and judgement is how and when both are made....

@Viny,

I am ignoring your bad mouthing.

you are making a claim here. I would wait and pull you back - but thus far there is nothing. Your storm in the tea cup is yet to prove itself.

 

[Viny]

First of all you can't take us to ICJ because according to India's own deceleration for the recognition of ICJ's jurisdiction, India categorically mentioned that any dispute with a fellow common wealth member will not be in ICJ's jurisdiction.

Remember all the fuss the Saurab Kalia case created and the demand by Indian public to take the case to ICJ, well their government told Supreme Court the same thing, can't take Pakistan to ICJ as it is a common wealth member.

Now we lost our case regarding Atlantique back in 1999 because India does not accept the jurisdictions of ICJ when it comes to disputes with common wealth members.

This was a smart move by India I must say, but in this particular case tough luck to Kalbushan as ICJ won't be able to do s**t about it.

So Dear Indian members, your govt is only making a fool out of you, nothing else. Go read the Indian deceleration of 1974, para 2, this will answer your questions.

And India is not the only country that filed a case in ICJ against us, Marshall Islands took us to ICJ too last year, apparently they wanted us to get rid off our nuclear weapons, you can guess what happened to their plea.

Yes this is all for browny points, holding on this for long would not be possible. This will prove that govt was strong and took case to international court, thats ample to gain public support.

As Pakistan reject to honor it under various clauses, like it falls in its domestic jurisdiction or it falls under bilateral / multilateral treaties

 

[Sharpshooter12]

Yes this is all for browny points, holding on this for long would not be possible. This will prove that govt was strong and took case to international court, thats ample to gain public support.

As Pakistan reject to honor it under various clauses, like it falls in its domestic jurisdiction or it falls under bilateral / multilateral treaties

It is not a matter of honoring it at all. There are two options for Pakistan here.

First of all we can simply point to the Atlantique case, India's 1974 declaration and use that to question ICJ's jurisdiction in this matter, so in a month or so this application will be trashed out.

But the more suitable approach here will be to accept ICJs jurisdiction in this case. This will be a multilateral forum giving its judgement on a bilateral dispute between Pakistan and India. So what becomes of the Indian stand that all of the issues should be dealt bilaterally. Theoretically using this case as precedent, almost all of our disputes can be taken to ICJ. So its a win win for Pakistan.

This strong Indian government is really helping Pakistan in more ways that we could imagine, if only our side can use it to their advantage.

 

[Viny]

It is not a matter of honoring it at all. There are two options for Pakistan here.

First of all we can simply point to the Atlantique case, India's 1974 declaration and use that to question ICJ's jurisdiction in this matter, so in a month or so this application will be trashed out.

But the more suitable approach here will be to accept ICJs jurisdiction in this case. This will be a multilateral forum giving its judgement on a bilateral dispute between Pakistan and India. So what becomes of the Indian stand that all of the issues should be dealt bilaterally. Theoretically using this case as precedent, almost all of our disputes can be taken to ICJ. So its a win win for Pakistan.

This strong Indian government is really helping Pakistan in more ways that we could imagine, if only our side can use it to their advantage.

Good points, but india made a smart move here, they placed it under
Vienna Convention rights under Article 36, particularly Article36[,] paragraph 1(b), and in defiance of elementary human rights of an accused which are also to be given effect as mandated under Article 14 of the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

So the issue goes out of any bilateral treaties between india and pakistan but rather falls under Vienna Convention rights.

 

[GuardianRED]

Only Pakistan is fooling themselves

https://twitter.com/x/status/861997600995770368

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[B2B]

It is not a matter of honoring it at all. There are two options for Pakistan here.

First of all we can simply point to the Atlantique case, India's 1974 declaration and use that to question ICJ's jurisdiction in this matter, so in a month or so this application will be trashed out.

But the more suitable approach here will be to accept ICJs jurisdiction in this case. This will be a multilateral forum giving its judgement on a bilateral dispute between Pakistan and India. So what becomes of the Indian stand that all of the issues should be dealt bilaterally. Theoretically using this case as precedent, almost all of our disputes can be taken to ICJ. So its a win win for Pakistan.

This strong Indian government is really helping Pakistan in more ways that we could imagine, if only our side can use it to their advantage.

India took advantage of a small loophole in international law to institute a one-off case against Pakistan on Jadhav. While both India and Pakistan signed on to the ICJ in 1960, both countries included caveats which prevented each side from being sued by another Commonwealth country. That was why India could not sue Pakistan over the murder and mutilation of Saurabh Kalia during Kargil.

Pakistan similarly could not sue India over downing of the Atlantique.

But when the two countries signed on to the Vienna Convention, "Article I of the Optional Protocol to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations concerning the Compulsory Settlement of Disputes of 24 April 1963" gave jurisdiction on consular matters to ICJ. That is the provision India has used this time.

Aside : Can we have a "debunked " or " LIES " thread pre-text for random threads which gets debunked over time.
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