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[manlion]

1. Adi Shankara's Grandfather was a Namboodri brahmin called Rajasekhara and his father was a Namboodri brahmin called Sivaguru. His mother was Aryamba.

Just because Tamils claim Chera to be part of of Tamil culture, the Chera themselves i.e the Malayalees make no such claim or have any such desire to be considered part of Tamil culture.

The oldest book of Kerala is the Musika Vamsa and it is in Sanskrit. Not Tamil.

Sankara was educated in Sanskrit, not Tamil.

For all practical consideration we can very well assume is mother tongue was Sanskrit too or at beat, early malayalam with 80% sanskrit in it. (unlike 60% sanskrit in today's malayalam)

do enlighten us what is early Malayalam ? Is it mani pravalam that you are confusing with ?

Mani Pravalam മണിപ്രവാളം (Macaronic) was a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in South India, which used an admixture of Tamil and Sanskrit.[1] [2] [3]

Manipravalam is termed a mixture of Sanskrit and Tamil.[2] Tamil language was the language of the region, part of Tamilakam, at the time of Manipravalam's genesis and use and its introduction caused a significant transition of Malayalam from Tamil in Kerala.[1] [4] [5] Mani-pravalam literally means ruby-coral, where Mani means ruby in Tamil while Pravalam means Coral in Sanskrit.[6] Malayalam is referred to as ruby and Sanskrit as coral.[3] This was prevalent in Vaishnavite religious literature in Tamil Nadu and literary works in Kerala.

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Manipravalam

so now Sankara is a namboodari brahmin , who migrated to Kerala somewhere between 2 to 8th AD, a period that corresponds to his birth 788 CE

Those in Kerala proper are listed in the Keralolpathi, the narrative of Kerala history. They are:
a) Between rivers Perumpuzha and Karumanpuzha:
1.Payyannur, 2.Perumchellur, 3.Alattiyur, 4.Karantola, 5.Cokiram, 6.Panniyur, 7.Karikkatu, 8.Isanamangalam, 9.Trissivaperur, 10.Peruvanam.

b) Between rivers Karumanpuzha and Churni:
11.Chemmanda, 12.Iringalakkuda, 13.Avattiputtur, 14.Paravur, 15.Airanikkalam, 16.Muzhikkalam, 17.Kuzhavur, 18.Atavur, 19.Chenganatu, 20.Ilibhayam, 21.Uliyannur, 22.Kazhuthanatu.

c) Between river Churni and Kanyakumari:
23.Ettumanur, 24.Kumaraanallur, 25.Vennanad or Kadamuri, 26.Aranmula, 27.Tiruvalla, 28.Kitangur, 29.Chengannur, 30.Kaviyur, 31.Venmani, and 32.Nirmanna.

Of these, most survive today with the continuing Brahmanical traditions and the structural temples known as Gramakshetrams. Many find mention in the epigraphical records dating from the ninth century and a few are mentioned in literature. Moreover, every Namboothiri house claims to belong to one or the other of these thirty two settlements in Kerala. The historicity of the Grama-affiliation of the Namboothiris, therefore, cannot be doubted. It is possible that these settlements came up between the third and ninth centuries of the Christian era, i.e., the close of the early historical period in the history of South India, described by historians as the "Sangam Age", and establishment of the Chera kingdom of Mahodayapuram. There is a solitary reference to the northernmost, and thus possibly the oldest, of these settlements, namely Chellur or Perumchellur or Taliparamba, in the Tamil "Sangam" literature with a Vedic sacrificial background and the Parasurama tradition; but the rest of them are clearly products of a later period. It is also clear that all these had been not only established but also sufficiently prosperous by the beginning of the ninth century, when the Chera kingdom was ruling over Kerala from Mahodayapuram.

http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/history.htm

Tamil dont claim Malayalis as part of Tamil culture , as Cheras/Keralites (including their princes e.g Illango , Kulashekara ) have contributed enormously to Tamil culture/religious tradition and sangam literature

Ilango Adigal was a Chera prince from the 2nd century CE, who is the author of Silappatikaram, one of the five great epics of Tamil literature.[1] Ilango was said to be the brother of Kodungallur -based Chera king Senguttuvan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilango_Adigal

The period between 600 BC to AD 200, Tamilakam was ruled by the three Tamil dynasties
of Pandya, Chola and Chera, and a few independent chieftains, the Velir.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangam_period

Scholars believe that the common ancestor of Tamil and Malayalam split in the 9th century AD, giving rise to Malayalam as a language distinct from Tamil.

which means that Sankara should have been proficient in Tamil not Malayalam, plus a product of Tamilakam (great Tamil nation)

http://aboutworldlanguages.com/malayalam

2. In Sivananda Lahiri , he describes the grace of shiva which has has made even a lowly meat eating jungle dweller his greatest devotee.

In Saundrya Lahiri he is professing Humility and praising the Goddess and proclaiming that how his own ability to compose poetry is due to really due to the milk from her breast who's nature is Saraswati i.e. goddess of learning. In earlier stanzas he has already said how drinking her milk has made Ganesh and Karthik remover of human misery and pain.

Why would he compare a poet to Sri. Ganesh and Sri. Murugan ? Make that tamil poet the brothers of gods ? That is totally illogical.

in both Sivananda and Soundraya Lahiri the allusion is to the devotees not to Sankara, unless you can proof otherwise. No where in his other philosophical works had Sankara claim himself to be Dravida child

I Fail to see the relevance of the post.

Skanda puran is one of the largest purans. It has 23 UpaPurans or 23 sub purans. Its silly to claim that all of them deal with Tamil saints

Skanda puran contains stories from all parts of India.

Funny thing to say since Kumari Kandam comes from the sanskrit "Kumarika Khanda" or the chapter of Kumarika. Just a buch of tamil hocus pocus.

And claim Kumari Kandam is derived from Sanskrit Kumarika khanda exposes your ignorance.

Kumarika Kandha in Skanda Purana , Kumarika refers to Karthikeya (aka Murugan), Khanda - Canto /sections

Kumari Kandam - Tamil - Kumari - young maiden, Kandam - continent , it refers to the land mass south of present (Kanya) Kumari

A SUMMARY OF THE KOURMARIKA KHANDA AS DEPICTED IN SKANDA PURANA

Once sage Narada decided to make a daana’ as the same was discussed in Brahmasabha. So he searched for a sutiable land for the purpose but no where he got the land. As a result, he was in great grief and disappointed a lot. Somehow he learnt through sage Braghu.

The king of Malavaka. Dharmavarma, was tought about Daanyoga by sage Narada. So the kking offered him mahisagar sangam kshetra. Therefter, he was in search of a proper person to receive, “Daana’ But Alas! he could no where get such a person. But he did not stop his efforts. His Search was continued. He went to the north Vjjf Himalayas, there he reached kapalgram. Here a great sage Hareetha was living. He was having 28 thousands disciples; He invited Hareetha and all his disciples to Mahisagar sangam kshetra, and gave that place as daana to him.

The king Indradyaumna performed yajna all over the earth. As a resul the earth feared that sacted waters may be dried up, by the sacted waters in this place and that collection came to be known as Maheenadi. So when then learnt from samvarta Indradyaumna, Naadijangha, Prakarkarna, Gradha, kashyapa, all these great men came here and took the teertha, and attained salvation.

Kashyapa and Aditi couple had a son by name vajranga, and once he was performing penance. Vajrangi was th wife of vartanga. and once Indra gave a lot of trouble to her. This was not tolerated by vajranga. He wanted to take revenge against him. So through his penance he got a so by name Taaraka. This man also undertook a severe pencence and was blessed by Brahma. He gave a boon to him saying that there is no feat or harm by any one whi is of more thatn seven days old. He was very happy to receive this boon. Taraka defeated all Gods and occupied the throne of Indra. All the gods losty their courage. They were in grief. Hence they met Brama as to what to do next? HOw to overcome by this trouble? Then Brahma suggested them to arragne a marriage of Shiva and parvati with the help of manmatha (cupid).

Shiva was not ready to many her as she was black. When she was rejectedc by Shiva, she under took a great penance and become Gowri (White colour) and married shiva. Shiva’s vigour was collected by Agni. A child was born in a bush. Then Shanmbkha took the shakti weapon and went to kill Tarakasur, who was in mahisagar sangam.Kumar swami was welcomed hereand was anointed by the water of Maheeenadi. the same mahinadi later called as kumardhara. Sknda did not kill Taraka, as he was great devotee of Shiva. Lord Vishnu also advised to kill him. Here he lost his life. Baanadaitya a resident of krounch-mountain was also killed.

This was the place where he vowed. Hence to over come the sin, he installed’ prathinjeshwar’ (UmaMaheshwar) here. As a mark of victory he installed kapaleshwar (Bhairava). Lord Brahma also did not lag behind. He installed kumarswami in prominent place. Later gods also prayed and urged to install ‘stambeshwar’ by Subrahmany. Where Taraka was killed. The desire of Gods were fulfilled, and bence they installed ‘Siddheshwar’. (Rudrapadeshwar) here. Kumarswami installed his mother uma, and Ganapati in the same place and decided to stay there forever, since then the place is known as kumareshwara.

“Evam sthapya kumareshm
labdayi ehaitan varaan shivat” |
“Manasa krata krutyam
chatmanam mene shada nana” |
“Tasthavamshena Tatraiva
Kumareshwar sannidha” | |

Once it so happened a grazing lamb fell into the river by accident. This river was not an ordinary river. Because of its power and holiness this lamb born as kumari, the daughter of shatasringa kumari divided her property into seventy parts and distributed to brotheres’s children and for herself she kept the area. Then this place was known as kumareshwar. Lord Shiva advised her to get marry with Mahakal and sought salvation.
With the boon of Eshwar and assurance of Dharnadeva the kalabheethi, became “siddha1 here and later gave sermon to king karandham and got salvation.

Further, sage Narada installed here idol of vasudev and decided to stay here. The great man Aitheriya becake ‘Siddhipurusa’ and made his permanant place here. On the day of karthik shudda Dwadashi special festivals are taking place. This is to respect Narada and vasudeva.
Narada also installed here Battadityeshwar (Bhatramata); here on the day of Rathasaptami festivals are running. Till today these are continued.

Jayaditya learnt the importance of this place through Narada. Hence he visited the place and got answers to his questions from an eight year old boy. (kamatha). He remained there as jayadity in the place of Baladithy.
Brahma was passing by this way. It was noon. He had broutht sacred water for his bath. Here they worshipped all the Lingas together and named as ‘kotitheertha1. Here yolu can find ‘Goutameshwar’ founded by great ascetic Gouta,. Hee we con seenumber of lingas installed by many men on different occasion.

A difference of opinion arised once, as to which is sacred water among all these. The best was to be chosen. They met Brahma to get answer. Pulasthya announced the prize, who ever come forward to accept the prize.
But no one had a courage to come forward. The deservign quality lies only with Maheesagar sangam theerth. So it stood up aned narrated why it si the best among all theerth. So it stood up and narrated why it is the best among all theerthas. The essenve of all the holy theerth is flowing in this and subrahmanya also holding the same opinion, and Narada’s Bhoodan had blessed it to the best. Hence this is deserving for the prize.
But lord yama was displeased by this His reason for his angry was that even the greatest sinners are overcoming, just getting a bath in this theerth. This was the main cause for his angry.

So he expressed his angry passions as it was engaged in self-flattery,. He cursed its superiority should cease. But subrahmany praised its greatness and pulasthya gave a prize to Maheesagar sangam teertha. Now yama was convinced and blessed. He gave a new name ‘Gupta kshetra sthamba Theertha’.
Gototkaja was a son of Bhima. Once he came to yudhstar’s Royal court in Indra prastha. Yudhistar was not happy over the Gatotkaj’s marriage. Krishna put a proposal to Gatotkaja to get marry with Maurvy the daughter of Mura, who was minister of Narakasura. Accopcrdingly Gatokaja married her and got a son Barbarika. Krishna advised him to worship the deities siddambika, Tara, Bhaskara, yoganandini, Tripura, koaba, Kapaleshi, Ssuvarnaxi, charchita, Trailokyhavijaya, Ekavira, Harashidda, chandika, installed by Narada to have the blessings to lead good life As said, Suhrudaya did and worshipped kumar swami also.

An ascetic called vijaya was performing yaga with the help of suhradaya. Vijaya worshipped kashikatte Ganapathi, siddeya kshetrapal, and Hosaligamma (Hosagooliyamma) she was from kapalagrama, who came with sage Haritha. They lived there and worshipped Kumarswami andn did yoaga, Many demons came there to destroy \the yaga. But suhrudaya killed them all one by one. Mahadruha was a cruel person and he was the chief of shakini Gana, came there in the form of horse, she too was killed, Further suhradaya killed Rakshasa palashi along with his ninecrores sodiers in his cave. Then nagas headded by vasuki thanked him for his good act and asked him to pray for the boon. As vijaya is perform ing yagashiddhi, he should achieve Success in his wish. That was his desire. Vijay achieved siddi, and he was known as siddasena. Asusual, he begam his worship of Gods. He took the Darshan of stambheshwar worshipped by nagakannika.

Once pandavas lived in forest. The were on piligrimage. Bhimsen wished to take bath in pool and hence entered the pool of Devi. This was worshipped by suhradaya. He asked him not to take bath in the pi but inspite of his wsarning neglecting him he entered the pool. So Suhrndaya got angreed and began to fight with him. He defeated Bhimsen. He wanted to kill him. but mean time Rudra appeared and said that Bhimsen is noneelse, but Suhruday’s grand father. When he learnt this truth, he was much annoyed. Now Rudra and siddambika appeared before them and blessed and named him as chanil.
The interesting legent of the holy kshertra subramanya is found in the sahyadri khanda of V^he sanatkumar samhita (chapters 113 to 118)

http://www.mahapurana.com/skanda-pu...urmarika-khanda-as-depicted-in-skanda-purana/

 

[HariVamsha]

do enlighten us what is early Malayalam ? Is it mani pravalam that you are confusing with ?

Mani Pravalam മണിപ്രവാളം (Macaronic) was a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in South India, which used an admixture of Tamil and Sanskrit.[1] [2] [3]

Manipravalam is termed a mixture of Sanskrit and Tamil.[2] Tamil language was the language of the region, part of Tamilakam, at the time of Manipravalam's genesis and use and its introduction caused a significant transition of Malayalam from Tamil in Kerala.[1] [4] [5] Mani-pravalam literally means ruby-coral, where Mani means ruby in Tamil while Pravalam means Coral in Sanskrit.[6] Malayalam is referred to as ruby and Sanskrit as coral.[3] This was prevalent in Vaishnavite religious literature in Tamil Nadu and literary works in Kerala.

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Manipravalam

Your posts are exhausting because most of it is junk. Its tedious to shift through all of that and come up with a relevant response.

If you are talking about SCRIPT, Tamil Scrip has evolved from the North Indian Brahmi script. Same as Sanskrit.

Malayalam alphabets, script and grammar uses the sanskrit framework, not tamil.

Most work from Kerala is in Sanskrit. It was the defacto language of the educated mass. From maths, to literature, to poetry to history and even geography.


Also, both Mani and Pravalam are sanskrit words. "Mani" means gem in Sanskrit. "Pravala" means coral.

Mani-Pravalam means anything stringed together to look like a a beautiful gems-coral necklace. It meant this means a combination of phrases in different languages, resulting in an aesthetically pleasing composition.

Its basically a poor man's sanskrit, similar to Parikrit. (Pali+sanskrit)

It has nothing to do with the script themselves as those have come from the same Bhrami script of north India.

(The same "ManiPravalam" is used in Classical music when we have a song consisting of two different languages. Usually sanskrit and Telegu or Kannada)

Tamil dont claim Malayalis as part of Tamil culture , as Cheras/Keralites (including their princes e.g Illango , Kulashekara ) have contributed enormously to Tamil culture/religious tradition and sangam literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilango_Adigal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangam_period

That is irrelevant to the topic. Plenty of Tamil scholars knew Sanskrit.

There is also record of a A North Indian King by name Bramadutt who learnt Tamil from Sangam poet Kapila and wrote verses in Tamil 2000 years back.

which means that Sankara should have been proficient in Tamil not Malayalam, plus a product of Tamilakam (great Tamil nation)

http://aboutworldlanguages.com/malayalam

Nope. Adi Sankara has not writting a SINGLE LINE OF TAMIL in his entire life. He has not used a SINGLE WORD of tamil in his entire life.

I fail to see how anybody can now claim he knew Tamil when every evidence say he did not know Tamil.

in both Sivananda and Soundraya Lahiri the allusion is to the devotees not to Sankara, unless you can proof otherwise. No where in his work had Sankara claim himself to be Dravida sisu....

There was a great scholar called "Dravidacharya" who Adi Sankara quotes and whom he calls "Agamavidh". Dravida sishu could very well have been him.

Its pure speculation without any shred of evidence.

Its Fantasy pretending to be Facts.

And claim Kumari Kandam is derived from Sanskrit Kumarika khanda exposes your ignorance.

Kumarika Kandha in Skanda Purana , Kumarika refers to Karthikeya (aka Murugan), Khanda - Canto /sections

Kumari Kandam - Tamil - Kumari - young maiden, Kandam - continent , it refers to the land mass south of present (Kanya) Kumari

There is NO Text where "kumar Kandam" is found. It has come out the Same Skanda upaPuran which has a chapter called "Kumarika Khanda" which is the 2nd book of the Skanda puran.

Its basically has a description of south India as visited by Arjuna and the Thirtha sthals in the south. Among others they talk about 5 thirtha's in the south.

1. Tirtha of Kumaresa (Kartik) favored by Rishi Kumaresa
2. Tirtha of Stambhesa favoured by Rishi Saubhadra
3. Thirtha of Barkaresvara favored by Puloma (Wife of BrahmaRishi Bhrigu)
4. Thirtha of Mahakala favored by King Karandhama
5. Tirtha of Siddhesa favored by Rishi Bharadvaja.

 

[manlion]

Your posts are exhausting because most of it is junk. Its tedious to shift through all of that and come up with a relevant response.

If you are talking about SCRIPT, Tamil Scrip has evolved from the North Indian Brahmi script. Same as Sanskrit.

Malayalam alphabets, script and grammar uses the sanskrit framework, not tamil.

I ask what you meant by early malayalam -

Most work from Kerala is in Sanskrit. It was the defacto language of the educated mass. From maths, to literature, to poetry to history and even geography.

Also, both Mani and Pravalam are sanskrit words. "Mani" means gem in Sanskrit. "Pravala" means coral.

Mani-Pravalam means anything stringed together to look like a a beautiful gems-coral necklace. It meant this means a combination of phrases in different languages, resulting in an aesthetically pleasing composition.

Its basically a poor man's sanskrit, similar to Parikrit. (Pali+sanskrit)

It has nothing to do with the script themselves as those have come from the same Bhrami script of north India.
(The same "ManiPravalam" is used in Classical music when we have a song consisting of two different languages. Usually sanskrit and Telegu or Kannada)

mani pravalam, refer page 114

http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/99808/2/11_chapter4.pdf

Hence, Manipravalam was a mixture of Tamil or early Malayalam of Kerala and Sanskrit. Thus, in Medieval Period a new literary style developed in Kerala, which was composed of ‘vattezhuthu’ and ‘grantha’ script.

A. Sreedhara Menon, Cultural Heritage of Kerala, op.cit., pp. 192-193. Manipravalam was a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in South India, which used a mixture of Tamil (early Malayalam of Kerala) and Sanskrit. In Manipravalam it can be said that two languages and their grammar are mixed to form a new language as the result of the synthesis of Aryan and Dravidian languages. Tamil language was the language of the part of the region, known as Tamilakam. The origin of Manipravalam and its use caused a significant transition of Malayalam from the Tamil language. This particular school of poetry was patronized by the upper classes; especially the Namboodiris and these were written for the pampered tastes of Namboodiri community. Also see, Dr. K Ayyappa Panikkar, op.cit., p.19.

it refutes your claim - poor man's Sanskrit and defacto language of the educated mass etc

Nope. Adi Sankara has not writting a SINGLE LINE OF TAMIL in his entire life. He has not used a SINGLE WORD of tamil in his entire life.

I fail to see how anybody can now claim he knew Tamil when every evidence say he did not know Tamil.

claims to be a Dravida child but no work in the dravidian language - is an irony but not so with Sambandar who wrote Tevaram hymns in the Dravidian language - Tamil.

There was a great scholar called "Dravidacharya" who Adi Sankara quotes and whom he calls "Agamavidh". Dravida sishu could very well have been him.

was he breast fed by Parvati ?

Dravidacharya only known work was his commentary on Brhadaranyakopanishad. As the bhakti tradition originated in Tamilnadu - 7th to 11th CE, Sankara must have been influenced by the Tamil bhakti movement

Few movements have influenced the Hindu faith as we know it, as much as the Bhakti Movement that started as a ripple deep down in what is today's Tamilnadu in the 6th-7th CE

It all started with the works of Shaivite Vaisnavite Poets-Saints in the 6th and 7th CE in Tamilnadu

The Vaishnavite and Shaivite saints of the Bhakti movement in Tamil Nadu are collectively called Alvars and Nayanars respectively. There were 12 Alvars and 63 Nayanars in all. Together they formed the 75 great Poet-Saints of the Tamil Bhakti movement.

Read More at https://www.livehistoryindia.com/snapshort-histories/2017/09/06/bhakti-the-great-wave-

 

[HariVamsha]

I ask what you meant by early malayalam -

mani pravalam, refer page 114 http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/99808/2/11_chapter4.pdf

I have already answered that as 80% sanskrit and 20% proto-Dravidian lanugage.

A. Sreedhara Menon, Cultural Heritage of Kerala, op.cit., pp. 192-193. Manipravalam was a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in South India, which used a mixture of Tamil (early Malayalam of Kerala) and Sanskrit. In Manipravalam it can be said that two languages and their grammar are mixed to form a new language as the result of the synthesis of Aryan and Dravidian languages. Tamil language was the language of the part of the region, known as Tamilakam. The origin of Manipravalam and its use caused a significant transition of Malayalam from the Tamil language. This particular school of poetry was patronized by the upper classes; especially the Namboodiris and these were written for the pampered tastes of Namboodiri community. Also see, Dr. K Ayyappa Panikkar, op.cit., p.19.

it refutes your claim - poor man's Sanskrit

poor man's sanskrit is a figure of speech which indicates a lower status to sanskrit among the educated class. I already gave the example of Parikrit. There is plenty of text written in Parikrit. Most of them were by those who were educated in sanskrit, but were not experts.

Its a common phenomena that is repeated all over India in regular interval.

For e.g. our National Anthem is in "Tatsama" which is a mix of bengali+sanskrit.

It is the poor man Sanskrit of Bengal. Also known as Shadhu Bhasha.

claims to be a Dravida child but no work in the dravidian language - is an irony but not so with Sambandar who wrote Tevaram hymns in the Dravidian language - Tamil.

LOL.... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

When the term Dravida itself came from Adi Shankara, then it is for HIM to decide what dravida means and if there even is a "dravidian language".

What you know today as "dravidian language" was "invented" by the British christian missionary Bishop Robert Cadwell who invented the "dravidian language theory" for "Political and moral" reasons to help propagate British rule in tamil nadu and do mass conversion into christianity.

Its a shame that Sambandar never came up with a name and here you are crediting him for something the Adi Shankara invented. lol.

was he breast fed by Parvati ?

Dravidacharya only known work was his commentary on Brhadaranyakopanishad. As the bhakti tradition originated in Tamilnadu - 7th to 11th CE, Sankara must have been influenced by the Tamil bhakti movement
Read More at https://www.livehistoryindia.com/snapshort-histories/2017/09/06/bhakti-the-great-wave-

The Milk in the POEM is a metaphor for Knowledge and is described as the Nature of Saraswati, the goddess of knowledge.

It means anyone who becomes educated becomes empowered to write great works with the blessings of the goddess.

Next you will be asking me if the word "dravida sishu" means if was actually referring to some child somewhere

Dravidacharya himself was a great scholar of Advaita. His commentaries on Mandukya Upanishad and Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad was praised by Adi Shankara and he called Dravidaharya as "Sampradhaya Vidh" which meant most knowledgeable one in the entire Advaita community.

Shankra also called him "Agamavidh" which meant he was the most knowlegable in the entire Agma shastra and tantras.

 

[manlion]

I have already answered that as 80% sanskrit and 20% proto-Dravidian lanugage.

back up your claim 80:20 % , thank you

poor man's sanskrit is a figure of speech which indicates a lower status to sanskrit among the educated class. I already gave the example of Parikrit. There is plenty of text written in Parikrit. Most of them were by those who were educated in sanskrit, but were not experts.

Its a common phenomena that is repeated all over India in regular interval.

For e.g. our National Anthem is in "Tatsama" which is a mix of bengali+sanskrit.

It is the poor man Sanskrit of Bengal. Also known as Shadhu Bhasha.

so manipravalam is s poor keralites Sanskrit, please substantiate your claim by providing academic reference thank you

LOL.... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

When the term Dravida itself came from Adi Shankara, then it is for HIM to decide what dravida means and if there even is a "dravidian language".

What you know today as "dravidian language" was "invented" by the British christian missionary Bishop Robert Cadwell who invented the "dravidian language theory" for "Political and moral" reasons to help propagate British rule in tamil nadu and do mass conversion into christianity.
Its a shame that Sambandar never came up with a name and here you are crediting him for something the Adi Shankara invented. lol.

dravida evolved from Tamila - Dramila-Demila (Prakrit) - Dravida (sanskrit)

Origin of Word Dravida
http://www.studymode.com/essays/Origin-Of-Word-Dravida-165590.html

Sambandar works were in Tamil, hence no need to assert his identity but that does not apply to Namboodari Sankara

The Milk in the POEM is a metaphor for Knowledge and is described as the Nature of Saraswati, the goddess of knowledge.

It means anyone who becomes educated becomes empowered to write great works with the blessings of the goddess.

Next you will be asking me if the word "dravida sishu" means if was actually referring to some child somewhere

Dravidacharya himself was a great scholar of Advaita. His commentaries on Mandukya Upanishad and Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad was praised by Adi Shankara and he called Dravidaharya as "Sampradhaya Vidh" which meant most knowledgeable one in the entire Advaita community.

Shankra also called him "Agamavidh" which meant he was the most knowlegable in the entire Agma shastra and tantras.

how you flip flop , now its a metaphor and one has to accept your speculative interpretation , when the verse speaks of a physical action -made the dravida child

if you dispute the verse 75 regarding dravida child, take it up with the respective commentators, I am reproducing their comementaries, and most commentators agree it refers to Tamil poet saint Sambandar

75
(Capacity to write poems)

Twa stanyam manye dharanidhara kanye hridhayatha
Paya paraabhaara parivahathi saaraswathamiva
Dhayavathya dhattham dravida sisu raaswadhya thava yat
Kaveenam proudana majani kamaniya kavayitha

Oh daughter of the king of mountains,
I feel in my mind,
That the milk that flows from your breast,
Is really the goddess of learning, Sarswathi,
In the form of a tidal wave of nectar.
For , milk given by you ,who is full of mercy,
Made the child of Dravida*,
The king among those great poets,
Whose works stole one’s mind.

& The result of chanting and worshipping with the stanza which follows
* The Thousand headed serpent who carries the worlds on his head
* Another name for Mooladhara Chakra
* The geometric design of Sri chakra(holy wheel) where the mother resides is described here.

* The Lord of all souls
* Composed by Adhi Sankara Bhagawat Pada
* The nose jutting in between the eye brows
* Mythical birds supposed to drink the moon light
* The three major parts of Karnatic Classical music.-procedure, undulations and song
* Another name for Lord Ganesha
* God Subrahamanya
* The Tamil poet Tirugnana Sambandar who preceded Sankara

source : http://sankaracharya.org/soundarya_lahari.php

 

[manlion]

Hinduism was created to control Dravidians like you. The offsprings of the invaders with the local women, the Brahmins became your lords. Do you understand? Han Chinese do the same thing with Thai/Viet tribes in South China. We came as soldiers, artisans and colonizers, we married with the locals to produce South Chinese,we push the Vietnamnese and Thais south into SEA and these people in return invaded and mingled with your cousins the Austroloids. Another relative of the Han tribe, the Mongols, invaded Europe and Central Asia, giving rise to the Khan surname and the Mughals.

a peek into @@HariVamsha mutta history known as the sambandham tradition (temporary marriage of Namboodari brahmins with local keralite women)

Golwalkar: How The Breed Of Kerala Hindus Was Improved By Namboodiri Brahmins

Golwalkar was invited to address the students of the School of Social Science of Gujarat University on December 17, 1960. In this address, while underlying his firm belief in the Race Theory, he touched upon the issue of cross-breeding of human beings in the Indian society in history. He said:

"Today experiments in cross-breeding are made only on animals. But the courage to make such experiments on human beings is not shown even by the so-called modern scientist of today. If some human cross-breeding is seen today it is the result not of scientific experiments but of carnal lust. Now let us see the experiments our ancestors made in this sphere. In an effort to better the human species through cross-breeding the Namboodri Brahamanas of the North were settled in Kerala and a rule was laid down that the eldest son of a Namboodri family could marry only the daughter of Vaishya, Kashtriya or Shudra communities of Kerala. Another still more courageous rule was that the first off-spring of a married woman of any class must be fathered by a Namboodri Brahman and then she could beget children by her husband. Today this experiment will be called adultery but it was not so, as it was limited to the first child."

[M. S. Golwalkar cited in Organizer, January 2, 1961, p. 5.]

 

[Jackdaws]

MNS is politically irrelevant. They are fighting to stay relevant. Shiv Sena with Aditya Thackeray now coming to the forefront - talks about roof top restaurants and bars open 24X7 - a complete 180 from the issues his grandfather raised. It was hilarious that MNS goons got beaten up. The Congress chief is a former Shiv Sena guy.