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[manlion]

LOL.... do you even know that the term "Dravidian" was INVENTED by Adi Sankara ?

It was Adi Sankara who described HIMSELF as "Dravida Sishu" i.e. Child of a land where the three oceans meet.

It is the first recorded instance of the word Dravida. and Ironically, its in SANSKRIT

So if he described Himself as a "dravidian" then who was he trying to "control" ?

Sankara did not invent Dravida, he invented fake mythologies to appropriate Tamil Dravidian gods into his vedic brahmanism

if you are referring to verse 75 from Sankara's Soudarya Lahari

(Capacity to write poems)
Twa stanyam manye dharanidhara kanye hridhayatha
Paya paraabhaara parivahathi saaraswathamiva
Dhayavathya dhattham dravida sisu raaswadhya thava yat
Kaveenam proudana majani kamaniya kavayitha

Oh daughter of the king of mountains,
I feel in my mind,
That the milk that flows from your breast,
Is really the goddess of learning, Sarswathi,
In the form of a tidal wave of nectar.
For , milk given by you ,who is full of mercy,
Made the child of Dravida*,
The king among those great poets,
Whose works stole one’s mind.

It refers to the Tamil saivite saint Thirujnana-sambandar, who according to Tamil religious text was breast fed by Parvati.

When Sambandar was three years old his parents took him to the Shiva temple where Shiva and his consort Parvati appeared before the child. His father saw drops of milk on the child's mouth and asked who had fed him, whereupon the boy pointed to the sky and responded with the song Todudaya Seviyan, the first verse of the Tevaram.

We understand that even the first hymn of Sambandar gives an indication that he is the incarnation of Lord Subramanya. Even Adi Sankara mentions in Soundarya Lahari that Sambandar (denoted as Dravida Sisu) became such a renowned poet owing to the grace of Goddess Parvati.

http://www.thehindu.com/features/fr...he-path-of-Saivite-saints/article14564087.ece

This Translator in Tamil specifically mentions that the the child who had the blessings of the Goddess is the Kaundinya from Sirkali, which is a direct reference to Thirujnana-sambandar, the first of the Saiva Tevaram saints from Tamilnad. The Tamil version carries in the colophon the story of the Saiva saint Sundaramurthi being made his slave by Lord siva. Evidently the "Soundarya lahari" reflects the Tamil Traidition.

http://tamilartsacademy.com/journals/volume19/articles/article1.xml

hope you are aware of controversies surrounding Sankara place and date of birth

• 44–12 BCE: Anandagiri believed he was born at Chidambaram in 44 BCE and died in 12 BCE.
  [*]
  
  [*][3]Sankaracharya was a contemporary of the great Tamil saint Kulashekhara Alwar who was also a Chera king.

https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/adi-shankara

 

[HariVamsha]

Absolute nonsense to call Indians one ethnicity.
Absolute nonsense to think these ethnicities can be completely separated by geography.
The kind of figures that Han is providing only gives the general picture.

LOL... Han has not provided ANY figures. He has only made allegations.

if you are referring to verse 75 from Sankara's Soudarya Lahari

(Capacity to write poems)
Twa stanyam manye dharanidhara kanye hridhayatha
Paya paraabhaara parivahathi saaraswathamiva
Dhayavathya dhattham dravida sisu raaswadhya thava yat
Kaveenam proudana majani kamaniya kavayitha

Oh daughter of the king of mountains,
I feel in my mind,
That the milk that flows from your breast,
Is really the goddess of learning, Sarswathi,
In the form of a tidal wave of nectar.
For , milk given by you ,who is full of mercy,
Made the child of Dravida*,
The king among those great poets,
Whose works stole one’s mind.

It refers to the Tamil saivite saint Thirujnana-sambandar, who according to Tamil religious text was breast fed by Parvati.

http://www.thehindu.com/features/fr...he-path-of-Saivite-saints/article14564087.ece

http://tamilartsacademy.com/journals/volume19/articles/article1.xml

hope you are aware of controversies in that Sankara place of birth and date

https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/adi-shankara

LOL...tis is beyond Funny.

Do you know that soundarya lahari is a PRAYER ?

The only people in a prayer and the person praying and the god to which the prayer is made. There is no third party involvement.


Not to mention the fact that Adi Shankara was in BC, while Thirujnana-sambandar was in 700 CE

 

[manlion]

LOL...tis is beyond Funny.

Do you know that soundarya lahari is a PRAYER ?

The only people in a prayer and the person praying and the god to which the prayer is made. There is no third party involvement.

Not to mention the fact that Adi Shankara was in BC, while Thirujnana-sambandar was in 700 CE

didnt I qualify by stating - controversies in Sankara date and place of birth ?

In which year was Adi Shankaracharya born?

Majority of the people would say Adi Shankara was born in 788 AD at Kaladi in Kerala and died in 820 AD.

But why has majority of the scholars agreed upon 788 AD as the birth year?

Shankaracharya in his ‘Brahma Sutra Bhasya’ mentions about the city of Pataliputra. It is believed that the city of Pataliputra was destroyed in 750 AD. In the same Bhasya, Shankara mentions about King Purnavarma. Hiuen Tsang, Chinese pilgrim, mentions about Purnavarma as a Buddhist king during 590 AD.

But the most important evidence pointed out by those who support 788 AD was published in ‘The Indian Antiquary’ journal in June 1882 by K.B.Pathak. He mentioned about three manuscript leaves written in Devanagari script which mentions the date and year of birth and date and year of death of Shankaracharya.

Later in The Indian Antiquary magazine volume XXVI in 1897, one P Sundaram Pillai writes about the shlokas in the three manuscript leaves. The year of Shankara’s birth is Vibhava Varsha, Kali year 3889 and his death, the full moon in Vaishakha Kali year 3921. This corresponds to the period of 788 – 820 AD.

But these findings were rejected by several scholars and they formulated new dates. But majority of the researchers agreed to this date.

A recent article in the Sringeri Mutt website also suggests that the birth date of Adi Shankaracharya is 788 AD.

https://www.hindu-blog.com/2008/02/year-of-birth-of-adi-shankaracharya-509.html

If Sankara glorifies himself as a 'King amongst poets" in Soundarya Lahari verse, then he is pompous narcissist. Tamil Saints (both vaisnavite and saivite) composed philosophical hymns where as Sankara's was a so called "philosopher" not poet.

Finally, Adi Sankara is considered as an incarnation of Siva, so his consort Parvati breast fed her husband ? This is getting more hilarious

what I wrote is backed by authoritative commentators (e.g Sringeri mutt) and researchers, unlike your speculative mish mash

 

[HariVamsha]

didnt I qualify by stating - controversies in Sankara date and place of birth ?

In which year was Adi Shankaracharya born?

Majority of the people would say Adi Shankara was born in 788 AD at Kaladi in Kerala and died in 820 AD.

But why has majority of the scholars agreed upon 788 AD as the birth year?

Shankaracharya in his ‘Brahma Sutra Bhasya’ mentions about the city of Pataliputra. It is believed that the city of Pataliputra was destroyed in 750 AD. In the same Bhasya, Shankara mentions about King Purnavarma. Hiuen Tsang, Chinese pilgrim, mentions about Purnavarma as a Buddhist king during 590 AD.

But the most important evidence pointed out by those who support 788 AD was published in ‘The Indian Antiquary’ journal in June 1882 by K.B.Pathak. He mentioned about three manuscript leaves written in Devanagari script which mentions the date and year of birth and date and year of death of Shankaracharya.

Later in The Indian Antiquary magazine volume XXVI in 1897, one P Sundaram Pillai writes about the shlokas in the three manuscript leaves. The year of Shankara’s birth is Vibhava Varsha, Kali year 3889 and his death, the full moon in Vaishakha Kali year 3921. This corresponds to the period of 788 – 820 AD.

But these findings were rejected by several scholars and they formulated new dates. But majority of the researchers agreed to this date.

A recent article in the Sringeri Mutt website also suggests that the birth date of Adi Shankaracharya is 788 AD.

https://www.hindu-blog.com/2008/02/year-of-birth-of-adi-shankaracharya-509.html

If Sankara glorifies himself as a 'King amongst poets" in Soundarya Lahari verse, then he is pompous narcissist. Tamil Saints (both vaisnavite and saivite) composed philosophical hymns where as Sankara's was a so called "philosopher" not poet.

Finally, Adi Sankara is considered as an incarnation of Siva, so his consort Parvati breast fed her husband ? This is getting more hilarious

what I wrote is backed by authoritative commentators (e.g Sringeri mutt) and researchers, unlike your speculative mish mash

There is no confusion regarding the birth date of Adi Shankara.

Adi Shankara initiated 4 Mutts in four parts of the country and out of them 3 of them has had a CONTINUES lineage of Shankaracharys with their detailed Names and years of being the guides.

This is similar to the pope in Vatican.

These three Mutts are the mutts of Dwaraka, Puri and Kanchi. And as per ALL three Mutts, Adi Shankaracharya was born in 509 BC.

They have maintained a record of ALL shakaracharyas in all these 3 mutts and the years of their rule. These 3 are situated in 3 different parts of India and ALL their records collaborate the same date, i.e. 509 BC.

This is pretty conclusive for anybody who knows Hinduism.

 

[manlion]

There is no confusion regarding the birth date of Adi Shankara.

Adi Shankara initiated 4 Mutts in four parts of the country and out of them 3 of them has had a CONTINUES lineage of Shankaracharys with their detailed Names and years of being the guides.

This is similar to the pope in Vatican.

These three Mutts are the mutts of Dwaraka, Puri and Kanchi. And as per ALL three Mutts, Adi Shankaracharya was born in 509 BC.

They have maintained a record of ALL shakaracharyas in all these 3 mutts and the years of their rule. These 3 are situated in 3 different parts of India and ALL their records collaborate the same date, i.e. 509 BC.

This is pretty conclusive for anybody who knows Hinduism.

of the 4 mutt Sringeri (Kanchi to some extent ) mutt is considered the most authentic and authoritative. They (including Kanchi mutt) have dated his death as 820 since he lived for 32 yrs which means Sankara was born in 788 CE

If theres a break in their guru parampara (lineage) from 509 BC to 820 CE then they lose the claim to the lineage authority. This shows you have a shallow knowledge of your own religious tradition

https://www.sringeri.net/jagadgurus

# Jagadgurus of the Sringeri Sharada Peetham Period of Reign (CE)

1. Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada 820 (videha-mukti)
2. Sri Sureshwaracharya 820 – 834
3. Sri Nityabodaghana 834-848
4. Sri Jnanaghana 848 – 910
5. Sri Jnanottama 910 – 954
6. Sri Jnanagiri 954 – 1038
7. Sri Simhagiri 1038 – 1098
8. Sri Ishwara Tirtha 1098 – 1146
9. Sri Nrisimha Tirtha 1146 – 1229
10. Sri Vidya Tirtha 1229 – 1333
11. Sri Bharati Tirtha 1333 – 1380
12. Sri Vidyaranya 1380 – 1386
13. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati I 1386 – 1389
14. Sri Nrisimha Bharati I 1389 – 1408
15. Sri Puroshottama Bharati I 1408 – 1448
16. Sri Shankara Bharati 1448 – 1455
17. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati II 1455 – 1464
18. Sri Nrisimha Bharati II 1464 – 1479
19. Sri Puroshottama Bharati II 1479 – 1517
20. Sri Ramachandra Bharati 1517 – 1560
21. Sri Nrisimha Bharati III 1560 – 1573
22. Sri Nrisimha Bharati IV 1573 – 1576
23. Sri Nrisimha Bharati V 1576 – 1600
24. Sri Abhinava Nrisimha Bharati 1600 – 1623
25. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I 1623 – 1663
26. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VI 1663 – 1706
27. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati II 1706 – 1741
28. Sri Abhinava Sacchidananda Bharati I 1741 – 1767
29. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VII 1767 – 1770
30. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati III 1770 – 1814
31. Sri Abhinava Sacchidananda Bharati II 1814 – 1817
32. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VIII 1817 – 1879
33. Sri Sacchidananda Shivabhinava Nrisimha Bharati 1879 – 1912
34. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati III 1912 – 1954
35. Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha 1954 – 1989
36. Sri Bharati Tirtha 1989 – Present
37. Sri Vidhushekhara Bharati Successor-Designate

 

[HariVamsha]

of the 4 mutt Sringeri (Kanchi to some extent ) mutt is considered the most authentic and authoritative. They (including Kanchi mutt) have dated his death as 820 since he lived for 32 yrs which means Sankara was born in 788 CE

If theres a break in their guru parampara (lineage) from 509 BC to 820 CE then they lose the claim to the lineage authority. This shows you have a shallow knowledge of your own religious tradition

https://www.sringeri.net/jagadgurus

# Jagadgurus of the Sringeri Sharada Peetham Period of Reign (CE)

1. Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada 820 (videha-mukti)
2. Sri Sureshwaracharya 820 – 834
3. Sri Nityabodaghana 834-848
4. Sri Jnanaghana 848 – 910
5. Sri Jnanottama 910 – 954
6. Sri Jnanagiri 954 – 1038
7. Sri Simhagiri 1038 – 1098
8. Sri Ishwara Tirtha 1098 – 1146
9. Sri Nrisimha Tirtha 1146 – 1229
10. Sri Vidya Tirtha 1229 – 1333
11. Sri Bharati Tirtha 1333 – 1380
12. Sri Vidyaranya 1380 – 1386
13. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati I 1386 – 1389
14. Sri Nrisimha Bharati I 1389 – 1408
15. Sri Puroshottama Bharati I 1408 – 1448
16. Sri Shankara Bharati 1448 – 1455
17. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati II 1455 – 1464
18. Sri Nrisimha Bharati II 1464 – 1479
19. Sri Puroshottama Bharati II 1479 – 1517
20. Sri Ramachandra Bharati 1517 – 1560
21. Sri Nrisimha Bharati III 1560 – 1573
22. Sri Nrisimha Bharati IV 1573 – 1576
23. Sri Nrisimha Bharati V 1576 – 1600
24. Sri Abhinava Nrisimha Bharati 1600 – 1623
25. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I 1623 – 1663
26. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VI 1663 – 1706
27. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati II 1706 – 1741
28. Sri Abhinava Sacchidananda Bharati I 1741 – 1767
29. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VII 1767 – 1770
30. Sri Sacchidananda Bharati III 1770 – 1814
31. Sri Abhinava Sacchidananda Bharati II 1814 – 1817
32. Sri Nrisimha Bharati VIII 1817 – 1879
33. Sri Sacchidananda Shivabhinava Nrisimha Bharati 1879 – 1912
34. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati III 1912 – 1954
35. Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha 1954 – 1989
36. Sri Bharati Tirtha 1989 – Present
37. Sri Vidhushekhara Bharati Successor-Designate

Shringeri mutt has a broken lineage. Its not unbroken. It was restored by Tipu Sultan just a few centuries back.

However the Dwaraka Peetam has an unbroken lineage and this is their complete list.

1. Sureshwaracharya 490-477 BC
2. Brahm Swaroop 477-448 BC
3. Chitsukhacharya 448 - 424 BC
3. Sarvgyanacharya 424 - 365 BC
4. Brahmanand Tirth 365 - 316 BC
5. Swaroopabhigyanacharya 316 - 249 BC
6. Mangalmoortyacharya 249 - 197 BC
7. Bhaskaracharya 197 - 174 BC
8. Pragyanacharya 174 - 131 BC
9. Brahmjyotsanacharya 131 - 99 BC
10. Anandvirbhavacharya 99 - 34 BC
11. Kalanidhi Tirth 34 BC - 26 AD
12. Chidvilasacharya 26 - 62 AD
13. Vibhuttyanandacharya 62 - 97 AD
14. Sphoortinilaypad 97 - 146 AD
15. Vartantupad 146 - 192 AD
16. Yogarudhacharya 192 - 303 AD
17. Vigyandindimacharya 303 - 337 AD
18. Vidya Tirth 337 - 390 AD
19. Chichhaktideshik 390 - 426 AD
20. Vigyaneshwar Tirth 426 - 454 AD
21. Ritambhacharya 454 - 515 AD
22. Amreshwarguru 515 - 551 AD
23. Sarvmukh Tirth 551 - 612 AD
24. Swananddeshik 612 - 672 AD
25. Samar-rasik 672 - 742 AD
26. Narayan Ashram 742 - 779 AD
27. Vaikunth Ashram 779 - 828 AD
28. Trivikram Ashram 828 - 854 AD
29. Sashishekhar Ashram 854 - 903 AD
30. Trayambak Ashram 903 - 908 AD
31. Chidambara Ashram 908 - 944 AD
32. Keshav Ashram 944 - 1003 AD
33. Chidambara Ashram (2) 1003 - 1026 AD
34. Padmanabh Ashram 1026 - 1051 AD
35. Mahadev Ashram 1051 - 1091 AD
36. Sachchidanand Ashram 1091 - 1150 AD
37. Vidyashankar Ashram 1150 - 1208 AD
38. Abhinavsachchidanand Ashram 1208 - 1236 AD
39. Nrasingh Ashram 1236 - 1269 AD
40. Vasudev Ashram 1269 - 1304 AD
41. Purushottam Ashram 1304 - 1337 AD
42. Gyanardhan Ashram 1337 - 1351 AD
43. Harihar Ashram 1351 - 1354 AD
44. Bhavashram 1354 - 1364 AD
45. Brahm Ashram 1364 - 1379 AD
46. Vasnashram 1379 - 1399 AD
47. Sarvagyan Ashram 1399 - 1432 AD
48. Pradyumn Ashram 1432 - 1438 AD
49. Govind Ashram 1438 - 1466 AD
50. Chidashram 1466 - 1519 AD
51. Vishveshwar Ashram 1519 - 1551 AD
52. Damodar Ashram 1551 - 1558 AD
53. Mahadev Ashram 1558 - 1559 AD
54. Aniruddha Ashram 1559 - 1568 AD
55. Achyut Ashram 1568 - 1572 AD
56. Madhav Ashram 1572 - 1628 AD
57. Anand Ashram 1628 - 1659 AD
58. Vishvaroop Ashram 1659 - 1664 AD
59. Chidghan Ashram 1664 - 1665 AD
60. Nrasingh Ashram 1665 - 1678 AD
61. Manohar Ashram 1678 - 1704 AD
62. Prakashanand Saraswati 1704 - 1738 AD
63. Vishuddhanand Ashram 1738 - 1741 AD
64. Vamanendra Ashram 1741 - 1774 AD
65. Keshav Ashram 1774 - 1781 AD
66. Madhusudan Ashram 1781 - 1791 AD
67. Haigreev Ashram 1791 - 1805 AD
68. Prakash Ashram 1805 - 1806 AD
69. Haigreev Saraswati 1806 - 1817 AD
70. Shridhar Ashram 1817 - 1857 AD
71. Damodar Ashram 1857 - 1872 AD
72. Keshav Ashram 1872 - 1878 AD
73. Rajrajeshwar Shankar Ashram 1878 - 1901 AD
74. Shrimadhav Tirth 1901 - 1916 AD
75. Shrishantyanand 1916 - 1925 AD
76. Shrichandrashekhar Ashram 1925 - 1945 AD
77. Abhinavsachchidanand Tirth 1945 - 1982 AD
78. Swaroopanad Saraswati 1982 - (Present)

 

[manlion]

Shringeri mutt has a broken lineage. Its not unbroken. It was restored by Tipu Sultan just a few centuries back.

However the Dwaraka Peetam has an unbroken lineage and this is their complete list.

1. Sureshwaracharya 490-477 BC
2. Brahm Swaroop 477-448 BC
3. Chitsukhacharya 448 - 424 BC
3. Sarvgyanacharya 424 - 365 BC
4. Brahmanand Tirth 365 - 316 BC
5. Swaroopabhigyanacharya 316 - 249 BC
6. Mangalmoortyacharya 249 - 197 BC
7. Bhaskaracharya 197 - 174 BC
8. Pragyanacharya 174 - 131 BC
9. Brahmjyotsanacharya 131 - 99 BC
10. Anandvirbhavacharya 99 - 34 BC
11. Kalanidhi Tirth 34 BC - 26 AD
12. Chidvilasacharya 26 - 62 AD
13. Vibhuttyanandacharya 62 - 97 AD
14. Sphoortinilaypad 97 - 146 AD
15. Vartantupad 146 - 192 AD
16. Yogarudhacharya 192 - 303 AD
17. Vigyandindimacharya 303 - 337 AD
18. Vidya Tirth 337 - 390 AD
19. Chichhaktideshik 390 - 426 AD
20. Vigyaneshwar Tirth 426 - 454 AD
21. Ritambhacharya 454 - 515 AD
22. Amreshwarguru 515 - 551 AD
23. Sarvmukh Tirth 551 - 612 AD
24. Swananddeshik 612 - 672 AD
25. Samar-rasik 672 - 742 AD
26. Narayan Ashram 742 - 779 AD
27. Vaikunth Ashram 779 - 828 AD
28. Trivikram Ashram 828 - 854 AD
29. Sashishekhar Ashram 854 - 903 AD
30. Trayambak Ashram 903 - 908 AD
31. Chidambara Ashram 908 - 944 AD
32. Keshav Ashram 944 - 1003 AD
33. Chidambara Ashram (2) 1003 - 1026 AD
34. Padmanabh Ashram 1026 - 1051 AD
35. Mahadev Ashram 1051 - 1091 AD
36. Sachchidanand Ashram 1091 - 1150 AD
37. Vidyashankar Ashram 1150 - 1208 AD
38. Abhinavsachchidanand Ashram 1208 - 1236 AD
39. Nrasingh Ashram 1236 - 1269 AD
40. Vasudev Ashram 1269 - 1304 AD
41. Purushottam Ashram 1304 - 1337 AD
42. Gyanardhan Ashram 1337 - 1351 AD
43. Harihar Ashram 1351 - 1354 AD
44. Bhavashram 1354 - 1364 AD
45. Brahm Ashram 1364 - 1379 AD
46. Vasnashram 1379 - 1399 AD
47. Sarvagyan Ashram 1399 - 1432 AD
48. Pradyumn Ashram 1432 - 1438 AD
49. Govind Ashram 1438 - 1466 AD
50. Chidashram 1466 - 1519 AD
51. Vishveshwar Ashram 1519 - 1551 AD
52. Damodar Ashram 1551 - 1558 AD
53. Mahadev Ashram 1558 - 1559 AD
54. Aniruddha Ashram 1559 - 1568 AD
55. Achyut Ashram 1568 - 1572 AD
56. Madhav Ashram 1572 - 1628 AD
57. Anand Ashram 1628 - 1659 AD
58. Vishvaroop Ashram 1659 - 1664 AD
59. Chidghan Ashram 1664 - 1665 AD
60. Nrasingh Ashram 1665 - 1678 AD
61. Manohar Ashram 1678 - 1704 AD
62. Prakashanand Saraswati 1704 - 1738 AD
63. Vishuddhanand Ashram 1738 - 1741 AD
64. Vamanendra Ashram 1741 - 1774 AD
65. Keshav Ashram 1774 - 1781 AD
66. Madhusudan Ashram 1781 - 1791 AD
67. Haigreev Ashram 1791 - 1805 AD
68. Prakash Ashram 1805 - 1806 AD
69. Haigreev Saraswati 1806 - 1817 AD
70. Shridhar Ashram 1817 - 1857 AD
71. Damodar Ashram 1857 - 1872 AD
72. Keshav Ashram 1872 - 1878 AD
73. Rajrajeshwar Shankar Ashram 1878 - 1901 AD
74. Shrimadhav Tirth 1901 - 1916 AD
75. Shrishantyanand 1916 - 1925 AD
76. Shrichandrashekhar Ashram 1925 - 1945 AD
77. Abhinavsachchidanand Tirth 1945 - 1982 AD
78. Swaroopanad Saraswati 1982 - (Present)

unless its substantiated by historic hard records/events/manuscripts, inscriptions etc it will be dismissed as mere fiction names

if you date back Sankara to BC, then Tamil saivite saint Thirujana-Sambandar can be back dated to 4300 BC

The earliest recorded visit to Madurai Adheenam , established by Gnana Sambhandar was by Robert De Nobili in 1605.
“F. Robert was pleased and visited the temple as well as our Aadheenam during the rule of our 230th Guru Maha Sannidhanam Srila Sri Jnana Bhotaha Sri Jnana Sambanda Desika Paramacharya Swamigal and had discussions on common interests. Fr. Robert D. Nobily was in love with Tamil and learned it well.”

The Commander Masikapoor of the Emperor Aurangzeb visited our 237th Guru Maha Sannidhanam Srila Sri Mithiyeshwara Sri Jnana Sambanda Desika Paramacharya Swamigaland they had a long sitting of sharing many avenues of their interests.

Commander had presented an “Ivory Paduka” to our 237th Guru Maha Sannidhanam. Together with big silver places for Naivedyam (sacred food offered to divine), full set of Sodasa Upachara Pooja/Deeparadhandi, silver glasses, jugs etc and two Rajasthan horses for Rishi and palaquin for relaxing after long travels.”

So if we take one Adheenam was place for 30 years at the minimum, then the first mutt by Sambhandar should have been 6900-1600.

So this places Sambandar 4300 BC!

According to Pandey, these Mathas were not established by Shankara himself, but were originally ashrams established by Vibhāņdaka and his son Ŗșyaśŗnga.[38] Shankara inherited the ashrams at Dvārakā and Sringeri, and shifted the ashram at Śŗngaverapura to Badarikāśrama, and the ashram at Angadeśa to Jagannātha Purī”

source : Adi Shankaracharya Did Not Establish Shankar Mutts

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/adi-shankaracharya-did-not-establish-shankar-mutts/

from not so reliable wiki

The Dwaraka pīţha or Dwaraka maţha, also called Saradha Matha/Peeth and "western peeth",[1][note 1] is an ancient monastery situated in the coastal city of Dwaraka, Gujarat, India. It is one of the four cardinal mathas or seats of learning founded by Adi Shankara in 8th Century CE, and is the pascimāmnāya matha, or western matha.[3] It is also known as the Kālikā Matha, and per the tradition initiated by Adi Shankara it represents Sama Veda.

Tipu Sultan restored Sringeri mutt destroyed by the marauding Maratha army not its guru parampara (spiritual lineage)

CHIKKAMAGALURU: The credit of re-consecration of Sharada idol made of sandalwood, the main deity at Sharada Peeta, Sringeri of Chikkamagaluru goes to ruler of Mysore Kingdom Tipu Sultan and the ruler’s contributions to the Peeta are well documented.

Tracing the history, he said, the Peeta came under attack from Maratha army when Sachidananda Bharathi was the pontiff. The Maratha army which was on looting spree reached Sringeri and removed the idol of Sharada besides decamping with wealth from the Peeta. Owing to attack from Marathas, Sachidananda Bharathi went hiding at Karkala in Udupi.

Continuing, Mr Hegde said, when the attack took place, Tipu Sultan was waging a battle at Kannur in Kerala and on learning about the raid from the Marathas, he sent an army to Sringeri to drive away Marathas. The army was stationed at Sringeri to offer protection from further attacks.

According to Mr Hegde, Tipu Sultan brought back Sachidananda Bharathi again to Sringeri and offered donations in huge quantities and got consecrated a sandalwood idol of Sharada. He also gave away silver palanquin, a spatika linga which is still worshipped by serving pontiff of the Peeta.

“It would come into crores of rupees, if the donations made by Tipu Sultan are valued now,” he told DC adding that Sringeri Peeta has preserved 23 letters from the office of Tipu Sultan to the Peeta.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/1511...-protected-sringeri-math-kalkuni-vittal-hegde

Wiki

Sringeri Sharada Peetham is the southern Advaita Vedanta matha or monastery established by Adi Shankara in 8th century AD. The matha is on the banks of the Tunga River in Chikkamagalur district, Karnataka, India, 105 kilometers from Mangaluru and 303 kilometers from the state capital, Bengaluru.

 

[HariVamsha]

if you date back Sankara to BC, then Tamil saivite saint Thirujana-Sambandar can be back dated to 4300 BC

The earliest recorded visit to Madurai Adheenam , established by Gnana Sambhandar was by Robert De Nobili in 1605.
“F. Robert was pleased and visited the temple as well as our Aadheenam during the rule of our 230th Guru Maha Sannidhanam Srila Sri Jnana Bhotaha Sri Jnana Sambanda Desika Paramacharya Swamigal and had discussions on common interests. Fr. Robert D. Nobily was in love with Tamil and learned it well.”

The Commander Masikapoor of the Emperor Aurangzeb visited our 237th Guru Maha Sannidhanam Srila Sri Mithiyeshwara Sri Jnana Sambanda Desika Paramacharya Swamigaland they had a long sitting of sharing many avenues of their interests.

Commander had presented an “Ivory Paduka” to our 237th Guru Maha Sannidhanam. Together with big silver places for Naivedyam (sacred food offered to divine), full set of Sodasa Upachara Pooja/Deeparadhandi, silver glasses, jugs etc and two Rajasthan horses for Rishi and palaquin for relaxing after long travels.”

So if we take one Adheenam was place for 30 years at the minimum, then the first mutt by Sambhandar should have been 6900-1600.

So this places Sambandar 4300 BC!

According to Pandey, these Mathas were not established by Shankara himself, but were originally ashrams established by Vibhāņdaka and his son Ŗșyaśŗnga.[38] Shankara inherited the ashrams at Dvārakā and Sringeri, and shifted the ashram at Śŗngaverapura to Badarikāśrama, and the ashram at Angadeśa to Jagannātha Purī”

source : Adi Shankaracharya Did Not Establish Shankar Mutts

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/adi-shankaracharya-did-not-establish-shankar-mutts/

from not so reliable wiki

The Dwaraka pīţha or Dwaraka maţha, also called Saradha Matha/Peeth and "western peeth",[1][note 1] is an ancient monastery situated in the coastal city of Dwaraka, Gujarat, India. It is one of the four cardinal mathas or seats of learning founded by Adi Shankara in 8th Century CE, and is the pascimāmnāya matha, or western matha.[3] It is also known as the Kālikā Matha, and per the tradition initiated by Adi Shankara it represents Sama Veda.

Tipu Sultan restored Sringeri mutt destroyed by the marauding Maratha army not its guru parampara (spiritual lineage)

CHIKKAMAGALURU: The credit of re-consecration of Sharada idol made of sandalwood, the main deity at Sharada Peeta, Sringeri of Chikkamagaluru goes to ruler of Mysore Kingdom Tipu Sultan and the ruler’s contributions to the Peeta are well documented.

Tracing the history, he said, the Peeta came under attack from Maratha army when Sachidananda Bharathi was the pontiff. The Maratha army which was on looting spree reached Sringeri and removed the idol of Sharada besides decamping with wealth from the Peeta. Owing to attack from Marathas, Sachidananda Bharathi went hiding at Karkala in Udupi.

Continuing, Mr Hegde said, when the attack took place, Tipu Sultan was waging a battle at Kannur in Kerala and on learning about the raid from the Marathas, he sent an army to Sringeri to drive away Marathas. The army was stationed at Sringeri to offer protection from further attacks.

According to Mr Hegde, Tipu Sultan brought back Sachidananda Bharathi again to Sringeri and offered donations in huge quantities and got consecrated a sandalwood idol of Sharada. He also gave away silver palanquin, a spatika linga which is still worshipped by serving pontiff of the Peeta.

“It would come into crores of rupees, if the donations made by Tipu Sultan are valued now,” he told DC adding that Sringeri Peeta has preserved 23 letters from the office of Tipu Sultan to the Peeta.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/1511...-protected-sringeri-math-kalkuni-vittal-hegde

Wiki

Sringeri Sharada Peetham is the southern Advaita Vedanta matha or monastery established by Adi Shankara in 8th century AD. The matha is on the banks of the Tunga River in Chikkamagalur district, Karnataka, India, 105 kilometers from Mangaluru and 303 kilometers from the state capital, Bengaluru.

Rubbish. Your entire proof (as posted above) stats with the ASSUMPTION that Adi Shankara refers to Thirugnana Sambhandar when he mention's "dravida shishu".

That itself is enough to dismiss the entire claims.

In Soundarya Lahari which is a PRAYER, Jagadguru calls himself the Dravida Shishu and ask the mother to bless him with knowledge which flows like milk from the breast of the supreme mother.

 

[takeiteasy]

Nope, its proved by Genetic studies. Too bad you cannot handle reality. LOL at your butt hurt.

Indians are of differing races. Australoids to pure Caucasoid. Aryan Invasion Theory is true. RSS sponsored many studies in International uni's to create OIT BS - But, people knew it always that AIT is the truth. Marathis are also Dravidians and Munda (Australoids) who speak a language similar to Aryan. BTW, Indo-Aryans and Dravidians both came from outside (middle east and Africa), while the native people here are pure Australoids (Munda) or Adivasi - Something an ArshBharat RSS brainwashed rightwing Hindu cannot imagine (No, your ancestors were not testing Parmanu Bumb and Pushpak Vimana in BC 7000). This is the truth. No more OIT and Rightwing BS. World is not buying it. People knew it.

But one thing I agree - If you've traveled across India, even the fairest and sharpest featured people (NW Indians) have that Australoid living among them. It is clearly embedded in genes. - This is the common thing.
Parsis - Who are supposedly from Persia lived here for centuries and now their looks are nothing much different from many south Indians. LOL! Some Parsis looked like Rajanikanth FYI.

 

[HariVamsha]

Indians are of differing races. Australoids to pure Caucasoid. Aryan Invasion Theory is true. RSS sponsored many studies in International uni's to create OIT BS - But, people knew it always that AIT is the truth. Marathis are also Dravidians and Munda (Australoids) who speak a language similar to Aryan. BTW, Indo-Aryans and Dravidians both came from outside (middle east and Africa), while the native people here are pure Australoids (Munda) or Adivasi - Something an ArshBharat RSS brainwashed rightwing Hindu cannot imagine (No, your ancestors were not testing Parmanu Bumb and Pushpak Vimana in BC 7000). This is the truth. No more OIT and Rightwing BS. World is not buying it. People knew it.

But one thing I agree - If you've traveled across India, even the fairest and sharpest featured people (NW Indians) have that Australoid living among them. It is clearly embedded in genes. - This is the common thing.
Parsis - Who are supposedly from Persia lived here for centuries and now their looks are nothing much different from many south Indians. LOL! Some Parsis looked like Rajanikanth FYI.

I am only interested in provable FACTS. Not prejudiced opinion based on looks which have no basis in any scientific thinking.

Genetic studies shows IRREVOCABLE PROOF that all Indians have similar genetic makeup.

Any "invasion" happened 70,000 years ago. To put that in perspective even the Vedas at best are dated back 15,000 years go. So there is not "Aryan" invasion.

 

[manlion]

Rubbish. Your entire proof (as posted above) stats with the ASSUMPTION that Adi Shankara refers to Thirugnana Sambhandar when he mention's "dravida shishu".

That itself is enough to dismiss the entire claims.

In Soundarya Lahari which is a PRAYER, Jagadguru calls himself the Dravida Shishu and ask the mother to bless him with knowledge which flows like milk from the breast of the supreme mother.

Born in a simple Brahmin family approximately in the 8th century A.D in Kaladi, Kerala, he was named as Shankara and is considered to be the incarnation of Lord Shiva. It is said that Shankaracharya's mother Aryamba had a vision that Lord himself told her that he would incarnate in the form of her first-born child.

http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-religions/shankaracharya.html

if sankara was considered as siva incarnate why would he suck the breast milk of his wife Parvati ? Wouldnt that be blasphemous ..

How is he Dravida sisu as his works were in Aryan's lingo Sanskrit and not in the Dravidian language - i.e Tamil ? Which isnt the case with Tamil Saivite saints (numbering 63) Tamil hymns

Fact is you are unable to digest verse 75 in Soundarya Lahari which explicitly refers to Tamil saint Tirugana Sambanthar. This is not my opinion, its the purport by authoritative scholars and commentators. This will pose a problem to the ignoramus Hindutva - Sanskrit/Hindi-Hindu - Hindustan exponents devoid of Tamil religious history

Siva advaitham postulates parinamavadam, (uflgxMTtDewrgjuD)
transformation theory, ascribing change to the chit sakthi of
Sivaperuman.

Nilakanta Vijayam, describes the meeting of Sankarar and Sri
Kantar. Under Sri Kantar's influence Sankarar is said to have
composed the Soundarya Lahari and other devotional works
promoting bakthi. In one of these works he refers in most adoring
terms to the great Thirugnanasambanthar and speaks of him as the
dravida sisu (child) Thirugnanasambandar, it must be remembered
was a brahmin.

In Sivananda lahiri, Sankarar refers to Saint Kannappar the
Veddah Saint and says, "Foot wear used in paths becomes a bunch
of holy grass to the person of Pasupathi. Washing-by spiting a
mouthful of water a holybath, the remnants of half eaten flesh (as
Neivethiam) a fresh oblation and a woodman the greatest of Bhaktas.
What is there impossible for Bhakthi?" *

https://archive.org/stream/VedanthamVsSaivaSiddhantham/Vedantham-Vs-Siddhantham-2002_djvu.txt

Sankara's Sivananda Lahiri another reference to Tamil saivite saint - Kannappa Nayanar

मार्गावर्तितपादुका पशुपतेरंगस्यकूर्चायते
गण्डूषांबुनिषेचनं पुररिपोर्दिव्याभिषेकायते
किंचित्भक्षितमांसशेषकवलं नव्योपहारायते
भक्तिः किं न करोत्यहो वनचरो भक्तावतंसायते ॥६३॥

The footwear repeatedly used on the road and worn-out becomes adornment to the Lord, water carried in the month and spouted becomes divine bathing, the remnants of a partly-eaten piece of meat becomes freshly prepared offering to the Lord and the tribal living in the forest becomes the crest-jewel of devotees of the Lord. Wonder of wonders ! What is there that devotion to the Lord cannot do?

[The reference here is to Kannappa Nayanar a tribal hunter in the forest who was a great devotee of Lord Shiva.
The sloka describes his way of worshipping the Lord who happily accepts
his offerings because of his loving devotion.
There is a story about the intensity of his devotion to the Lord. It is something like this: Once he saw blood
coming from the eyes of the deity. He immediately scooped out his one of his eyes
and put in place on the idol. Now how will he manage to put the other eye in place? So Kannappa Nayanar put his toe on the spot where the other eye was to be placed. He then took out his other eye
and put it where his toe had been placed. The Lord revealed himself to
Him moved by his intense devotion. The hill where Kannappa Nayanar worshipped is very near the Kalahasti temple.]

http://stotram.lalitaalaalitah.com/2011/11/let-this-prostration-of-mine-be-devoted.html

One day, he felt that the lord looked a little dirty, and needed a bath. But how could he give the deity a bath? He had no vessels to bring water! As he walked towards the shrine carrying the day’s catch in both arms, he noticed the small stream flowing nearby and had an idea! He bent and filled water in his mouth and went to the shrine where he poured the water from his mouth on the lingam, thus bathing it. He then made his offerings and spoke to the lord before leaving for the day.

http://anustoriesforchildren.blogspot.sg/2010/06/kannappa-nayanar-saint-who-gave-his.html

Kannappa Nayanar

 

[manlion]

Tamils have nothing to do with Aryans-Indians, Hindus, they are descendants from the submerged continent Kumari Kandam (Lumeria some 50,000 to 60,000 BC ). Which underwent 3 deluges, dispersing the people across continents - Africa, Australia (1st deluge) , Iraq (Middle East - 2nd deluge) and to Tamilnadu via Sri Lanka (3rd deluge)

 

[HariVamsha]

http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-religions/shankaracharya.html

if sankara was considered as siva incarnate why would he suck the breast milk of his wife Parvati ? Wouldnt that be blasphemous .. or is sucking a wife's breast norm in Aryan vedic brahmanism culture ?

How is he Dravida sisu as none of his works were in the Dravidian language -i.e Tamil ? Which isnt the case with Tamil Saivite saints (numbering 63) Tamil hymns

Fact is you are unable to digest the fact that verse 75 in Soundarya Lahari explicitly refers to Tamil saint Tirugana Sambanthar. This is not my opinion, its the purport by authoritative scholars and commentators. This will pose a problem to the ignoramus Hindutva - Sanskrit/Hindi-Hindu - Hindustan exponents devoid of Tamil religious history

Siva advaitham postulates parinamavadam, (uflgxMTtDewrgjuD)
transformation theory, ascribing change to the chit sakthi of
Sivaperuman.

Nilakanta Vijayam, describes the meeting of Sankarar and Sri
Kantar. Under Sri Kantar's influence Sankarar is said to have
composed the Soundarya Lahari and other devotional works
promoting bakthi. In one of these works he refers in most adoring
terms to the great Thirugnanasambanthar and speaks of him as the
dravida sisu (child) Thirugnanasambandar, it must be remembered
was a brahmin.

In Sivananda lahiri, Sankarar refers to Saint Kannappar the
Veddah Saint and says, "Foot wear used in paths becomes a bunch
of holy grass to the person of Pasupathi. Washing-by spiting a
mouthful of water a holybath, the remnants of half eaten flesh (as
Neivethiam) a fresh oblation and a woodman the greatest of Bhaktas.
What is there impossible for Bhakthi?" *

https://archive.org/stream/VedanthamVsSaivaSiddhantham/Vedantham-Vs-Siddhantham-2002_djvu.txt

Sankara's Sivananda Lahiri another reference to Tamil saivite saint - Kannappa Nayanar

मार्गावर्तितपादुका पशुपतेरंगस्यकूर्चायते
गण्डूषांबुनिषेचनं पुररिपोर्दिव्याभिषेकायते
किंचित्भक्षितमांसशेषकवलं नव्योपहारायते
भक्तिः किं न करोत्यहो वनचरो भक्तावतंसायते ॥६३॥

The footwear repeatedly used on the road and worn-out becomes adornment to the Lord, water carried in the month and spouted becomes divine bathing, the remnants of a partly-eaten piece of meat becomes freshly prepared offering to the Lord and the tribal living in the forest becomes the crest-jewel of devotees of the Lord. Wonder of wonders ! What is there that devotion to the Lord cannot do?

[The reference here is to Kannappa Nayanar a tribal hunter in the forest who was a great devotee of Lord Shiva.
The sloka describes his way of worshipping the Lord who happily accepts
his offerings because of his loving devotion.
There is a story about the intensity of his devotion to the Lord. It is something like this: Once he saw blood
coming from the eyes of the deity. He immediately scooped out his one of his eyes
and put in place on the idol. Now how will he manage to put the other eye in place? So Kannappa Nayanar put his toe on the spot where the other eye was to be placed. He then took out his other eye
and put it where his toe had been placed. The Lord revealed himself to
Him moved by his intense devotion. The hill where Kannappa Nayanar worshipped is very near the Kalahasti temple.]

Kannappa Nayanar

LOL.... and the Rubbish never ends.

1. Sucking on wife's breast is blasphemy ? Go tell that to every married men you meet and their wives.

2. Adi Shankara does not need a "dravidian" certificate from you since he was the one who INVENTED the world Dravida.

3. Adi Shankara was NOT TAMIL. He was a Malayalee. His PARENTS were Malayalees and he studied in SANSKRIT.

4. Adi Shankara did not even KNOW Tamil , so why on earth would he speak of any Tamil writers ........ especially since they were not even born during his time

5. The story of the Tribal devotee of Shiva was mentioned by Rshi Upamanyu who is mentioned in the Rg. Veda.

So the story itself is as old as the Rg. Veda. Which puts it around 15,000 BC to 7,000 BC.

The specific story is mentioned by him in the Skanda Upapuranam as "Dhira Sarupya mukti". The name of the Tribal chief being DHIRA , not Kannappa.

No location is mentioned, so it has nothing to do with Tamil.


There is only so much BS you can spin before it gets caught out.

Tamils have nothing to do with Aryans-Indians, Hindus, they are descendants from the submerged continent Kumari Kandam (Lumeria some 50,000 to 60,000 BC ). Which underwent 3 deluges, dispersing the people across continents - Africa, Australia (1st deluge) , Iraq (Middle East - 2nd deluge) and to Tamilnadu via Sri Lanka (3rd deluge)

LOL....sure, only there is no evidence of any of your fantasy.

Might as well claim tamils came from Mars.

 

[manlion]

LOL.... and the Rubbish never ends.

1. Sucking on wife's breast is blasphemy ? Go tell that to every married men you meet and their wives.

2. Adi Shankara does not need a "dravidian" certificate from you since he was the one who INVENTED the world Dravida.

3. Adi Shankara was NOT TAMIL. He was a Malayalee. His PARENTS were Malayalees and he studied in SANSKRIT.

4. Adi Shankara did not even KNOW Tamil , so why on earth would he speak of any Tamil writers ........ especially since they were not even born during his time

5. The story of the Tribal devotee of Shiva was mentioned by Rshi Upamanyu who is mentioned in the Rg. Veda.

So the story itself is as old as the Rg. Veda. Which puts it around 15,000 BC to 7,000 BC.

The specific story is mentioned by him in the Skanda Upapuranam as "Dhira Sarupya mukti". The name of the Tribal chief being DHIRA , not Kannappa.

No location is mentioned, so it has nothing to do with Tamil.


There is only so much BS you can spin before it gets caught out.

LOL....sure, only there is no evidence of any of your fantasy.

Might as well claim tamils came from Mars.

In BC era theres was no Kerala /Malayalee, it was Chera Nadu part of TamilaKam (Tamil Nation). So Sankara was a TamBrahmin not a Namboodri import from Gujarat. Even in 788 AD Kerala was still Tamil speaking, so Sankara would have been fluent in Tamil.

If you accept it was Kannapa Nayanar (or Dhira in Sanskrit) mention in Sivananda Lahiri , apply the same reasoning to Tirujana Sambandar in Soundarya Lahiri.

Sankara claiming to be 'dravida sisu' contradicts his commentary on Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2, Krsna's sermon to Arjuna on bodily attachment to country, region, family etc as maya - illusion - a pet advaita terminology. Hence Sankara was a victim to illusion

Skanda Upapuranam deals with stories of the 63 Tamil saivite saints. To associate the work of a latter date puranic author with 'sage mentioned in rig veda, based similarity in name is paralogism.

Sivabhaktavilasam As Narrated By Sage Upamanyu in Skanda Upapuranam

sample excerpts from Sivabhkativilsam - Skanda UpaPurananam

Cera King
March 11, 2013ChandrasekharSivabhakta vilasamHinduism

Śrī Agastya:

Those who remain unsullied by pleasures that are rightfully granted by tradition -though living in their midst and never revel in worship of Parama Śiva, to them liberation is at hand. Great personages rich in Śaiva lore cite the story of a certain king in this context, which will be narrated now.

The city of Mahodayam, also known as Vanipuram, was made famous in the three worlds by its noble kshatriya ruler of Cera dynasty (Ceraman Peruman). Though he was a repository of all virtues natural to the royalty, his benevolence to all creatures and devotion to Lord of Ascetics (Śiva) were exemplenary. Bound by his love, people adored him verily as the Lord Vishnu. He won the neighbouring rules by his own virtues and established the kingdom in peace and fearlessness. It was the great fortune of the people to have a king who reminded them of Śri Rama of Treta Yuga. Being proficient in all branches of knowledge, he worshipped the Vedic Scholars making true the Vedic dictum “ब्राह्मणेभ्य: शुभमस्तु नित्यम्” (brāhmanebhya: śubhamastu nityam). He entrusted to the brahmanas the noble pursuit of Vedic practises like yaga, yoga and jnana, and also their dissemination to the public. The land ever yielded a rich bounty and filled the kingdom with wealth of all types, satisfying the people in all ways.

Though blessed in this manner, the young king’s mind always repeated the “Mahapancaksara” while his heart made a shrine for the feet of Cidambara Nataraja. So he began to see ephemeral pleasures as a hindrance to his devotion. ‘Therefore, the best course would be to renounce the kingdom and live in forest’, he thought. Despite prayers and protests from his subordinats, one day he left the kingdom and went to the forest. There, wasting not a moment, he spent his time in the unitary contemplation on the Lord. Within a short time, in the early hours, the Lord appeared in his dream and directed him affectionately: “Whence does everything arise in Me? It is for our pleasure that we granted you the painless wealth and grandeur. It can pose no hindrance to your love for Me which has now matured to perfection. I bless you with the knowledge of the language of all the beings, be it human or animals. In addition, I shall fulfill all your noble desires”.

His mind thus settled by the Lord’s persuasion, the Cera king returned to the palace. The whole country celebrated the event in festive spirit. The ministers undertook the coronation of the king, restoring to him the responsibility of the country and its people, once again. Soon, the land witness a spate of pious activities. By the mandates of the noble ruler, cows, brahmanas, Siva-bhaktas and the infrm were protected. Sanatana Dharma once again reigned supreme. The King’s novel power of understanding other tongues aided his equanimity and benevolence and earned him the title ‘Parangitavedi’ (knowers of other’s feelings).

One day, the king, seated on the elephant, was going around the city, when he saw a dusty old man who appeared like a Sivayogi smeared with sacred ashes. But he was a washerman returning from work. The king got down and paid his respects to the wonderment of the old man. The king’s each move was a lesson to the others.

In the city of Madhura (Madurai now), there lived one named Banabhadra belonging to the working class. He served the presiding Lord Sundaresvara, the consort of Minakshi, by singing hyms while playing on his vina. Unable to make two ends meet, he made his supplication to the Lord. Sundaresvara appeared in his dream and handing him a note, assured him saying: “Take this note to king Cera who shall take care of your needs.” Banabhadra woke up in a jolt and, finding the note in his hand, was filled with surprise and gratitude to the Lord.

Then, he proceeded to Mahodaym and place the note in king’s hands. Cera was thrilled at this gracious gesture of the Lord, making him His instrument. He ordered his men to present the devotee with cart loads of gold and precious stones. But Banabhadra aceepted only gifts which satisfied his daily needs and return to his place with great joy.

The Cera king daily worshipped the Lord Nataraja, the Dancing Lord of Cidambaram, as prescribed in the texts. At the end of the worship everyday, he used to hear the tinkling sound of the Lord’s Anklets as a token of blessing. One day, he could not hear the usual tinking sound, however much he waited. For this, he held himself responsible and attempted to cut his throat. Instantly, he was stopped by the Lord’s golden hand and it was explained by an ethereal voice: “We have another devotee by name Sundara, whose enthralling songs made me forget my duty. Henceforth there wont be any laxity on my part. It would please us if you two could make friends and visti my shrines all over the world. At the time of Sundara’s departure from this mortal world, we shall send a white elephant with four tusks for his grand return to Kailasa. You can join him and attain Me sporting the present body.”

The king’s joy knew no bounds. On an auspicious day, he entrusted his duties to the noble ministers and set out on a long journey to meet Sundara, along with the royal paraphernalia. A sizeable army followed him on elephants and horses. On the way, he stopped at Madhura, Cidambaram, Dronipuram and accorded ceremonial worship to the deities. Later, arriving at Kamalalayam, he met Sundara and in his company visited many Saivaite centres. At the end of the long pilgrimage, he saw Sundara off to his native place and reached Mahodayam. After sometime, the Airavata (white elephant) was sent by Maheshwara to bring Sundara to Kailasha. Then Cera joined Sundara on his horse and reached Kailasha. There he attained Lord’s feet in due course.

—The End—

https://divineexcerpts.wordpress.com/category/sivabhakta-vilasam/

http://exoticindia.com/book/details...by-sage-upamanyu-in-skanda-upapuranam-IDI514/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannappa_Nayanar

Kannappa Nayanar or Kannappa was one of the 63 Nayanars or holy Saivite saints, the staunch devotees of Shiva. The Periyapuranam compiled by Sekkizhar and also the Tiruthhthondar Thogai by the poet-saint Sundarar enlists the 63 Nayanars. According to chronicles, he was Arjuna of the Pandavas in his past life.

Birth and Life[edit]

Kannappa Nayanar is also known as Thinnappan, Dinna, Kannappa, Tinnappan, Dheera, Bhakta Kannappa, Thinnan, Kannappan, Dinnayya, Kannayya, Kannappa Nayanar or Nayanmar, Kannan, Bhakta Kannappan and Dheeran. He was born in the vyadha (hunter) family of Raja Naga Vyadha and his wife in Uduppura (modern Vutukuru) near Sri Kalahasti, in present-day Utukkuru, Rajampet Andhra Pradesh. His father was a notable gerent among their hunting community and a great Shaiva devotee of Sri Kartikeya. He was named Dinna or Dheera by his parents, which is known to Tamil-speakers today as Thinnan or Dheeran respectively. His wife's name was Neela.

Dinna was a staunch devotee of the Vayu linga of SriKalahasti which he found in the forest while hunting. Being a hunter, he did not know how to properly worship Lord Shiva. It is said that he poured water from his mouth on the Shiva lingam which he brought from the nearby river Swarnamukhi. He also offered Lord Shiva whatever animal he hunted, including swine flesh. But Lord Shiva accepted his offerings since Thinnan was pure at heart and his devotion was true. Once, Lord Shiva tested the unshakable devotion of Tinna. With his divine power, He created a tremor and the roof-tops of the temple began to fall. All the sages ran away from the scene except for Dinna who covered the linga with his body to prevent it from any damage. Hence he was named thereafter as Dheera (valiant one).

Might as well claim tamils came from Mars.

Tamil's God Murugan is from Mars (the red planet), he is the first Tamil King in Kumari Kandam, as though Tamils gives a damn to Aryan Indians .....

 

[HariVamsha]

In BC era theres was no Kerala /Malayalee, it was Chera Nadu part of TamilaKam (Tamil Nation). So Sankara was a TamBrahmin not a Namboodri import from Gujarat. Even in 788 AD Kerala was still Tamil speaking, so Sankara would have been fluent in Tamil.

If you accept it was Kannapa Nayanar (or Dhira in Sanskrit) mention in Sivananda Lahiri , apply the same reasoning to Tirujana Sambandar in Soundarya Lahiri.

1. Adi Shankara's Grandfather was a Namboodri brahmin called Rajasekhara and his father was a Namboodri brahmin called Sivaguru. His mother was Aryamba.

Just because Tamils claim Chera to be part of of Tamil culture, the Chera themselves i.e the Malayalees make no such claim or have any such desire to be considered part of Tamil culture.

The oldest book of Kerala is the Musika Vamsa and it is in Sanskrit. Not Tamil.

Sankara was educated in Sanskrit, not Tamil.

For all practical consideration we can very well assume is mother tongue was Sanskrit too or at beat, early malayalam with 80% sanskrit in it. (unlike 60% sanskrit in today's malayalam)


2. In Sivananda Lahiri , he describes the grace of shiva which has has made even a lowly meat eating jungle dweller his greatest devotee.

In Saundrya Lahiri he is professing Humility and praising the Goddess and proclaiming that how his own ability to compose poetry is due to really due to the milk from her breast who's nature is Saraswati i.e. goddess of learning. In earlier stanzas he has already said how drinking her milk has made Ganesh and Karthik remover of human misery and pain.

Why would he compare a poet to Sri. Ganesh and Sri. Murugan ? Make that tamil poet the brothers of gods ? That is totally illogical.

Sankara claiming to be 'dravida sisu' contradicts his commentary on Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2, Krsna's sermon to Arjuna on bodily attachment to country, region, family etc as maya - illusion - a pet advaita terminology. Hence Sankara was a victim to illusion

This is irrelevant.

He is describing himself as a an insignificant child, who suddenly becomes a fantastic poet after being blessed by goddess saraswati that flows from the heart of the Mother goddess.

Its pleasing poetry designed to praise the goddess, not a philosophical point. Its Bhakti yoga, not Gyana yoga.

Skanda Upapuranam deals with stories of the 63 Tamil saivite saints. To associate the work of a latter date puranic author with 'sage mentioned in rig veda, based similarity in name is paralogism.

Sivabhaktavilasam As Narrated By Sage Upamanyu in Skanda Upapuranam

sample excerpts from Sivabhkativilsam - Skanda UpaPurananam

Cera King
March 11, 2013ChandrasekharSivabhakta vilasamHinduism

Śrī Agastya:

Those who remain unsullied by pleasures that are rightfully granted by tradition -though living in their midst and never revel in worship of Parama Śiva, to them liberation is at hand. Great personages rich in Śaiva lore cite the story of a certain king in this context, which will be narrated now.

The city of Mahodayam, also known as Vanipuram, was made famous in the three worlds by its noble kshatriya ruler of Cera dynasty (Ceraman Peruman). Though he was a repository of all virtues natural to the royalty, his benevolence to all creatures and devotion to Lord of Ascetics (Śiva) were exemplenary. Bound by his love, people adored him verily as the Lord Vishnu. He won the neighbouring rules by his own virtues and established the kingdom in peace and fearlessness. It was the great fortune of the people to have a king who reminded them of Śri Rama of Treta Yuga. Being proficient in all branches of knowledge, he worshipped the Vedic Scholars making true the Vedic dictum “ब्राह्मणेभ्य: शुभमस्तु नित्यम्” (brāhmanebhya: śubhamastu nityam). He entrusted to the brahmanas the noble pursuit of Vedic practises like yaga, yoga and jnana, and also their dissemination to the public. The land ever yielded a rich bounty and filled the kingdom with wealth of all types, satisfying the people in all ways.

Though blessed in this manner, the young king’s mind always repeated the “Mahapancaksara” while his heart made a shrine for the feet of Cidambara Nataraja. So he began to see ephemeral pleasures as a hindrance to his devotion. ‘Therefore, the best course would be to renounce the kingdom and live in forest’, he thought. Despite prayers and protests from his subordinats, one day he left the kingdom and went to the forest. There, wasting not a moment, he spent his time in the unitary contemplation on the Lord. Within a short time, in the early hours, the Lord appeared in his dream and directed him affectionately: “Whence does everything arise in Me? It is for our pleasure that we granted you the painless wealth and grandeur. It can pose no hindrance to your love for Me which has now matured to perfection. I bless you with the knowledge of the language of all the beings, be it human or animals. In addition, I shall fulfill all your noble desires”.

His mind thus settled by the Lord’s persuasion, the Cera king returned to the palace. The whole country celebrated the event in festive spirit. The ministers undertook the coronation of the king, restoring to him the responsibility of the country and its people, once again. Soon, the land witness a spate of pious activities. By the mandates of the noble ruler, cows, brahmanas, Siva-bhaktas and the infrm were protected. Sanatana Dharma once again reigned supreme. The King’s novel power of understanding other tongues aided his equanimity and benevolence and earned him the title ‘Parangitavedi’ (knowers of other’s feelings).

One day, the king, seated on the elephant, was going around the city, when he saw a dusty old man who appeared like a Sivayogi smeared with sacred ashes. But he was a washerman returning from work. The king got down and paid his respects to the wonderment of the old man. The king’s each move was a lesson to the others.

In the city of Madhura (Madurai now), there lived one named Banabhadra belonging to the working class. He served the presiding Lord Sundaresvara, the consort of Minakshi, by singing hyms while playing on his vina. Unable to make two ends meet, he made his supplication to the Lord. Sundaresvara appeared in his dream and handing him a note, assured him saying: “Take this note to king Cera who shall take care of your needs.” Banabhadra woke up in a jolt and, finding the note in his hand, was filled with surprise and gratitude to the Lord.

Then, he proceeded to Mahodaym and place the note in king’s hands. Cera was thrilled at this gracious gesture of the Lord, making him His instrument. He ordered his men to present the devotee with cart loads of gold and precious stones. But Banabhadra aceepted only gifts which satisfied his daily needs and return to his place with great joy.

The Cera king daily worshipped the Lord Nataraja, the Dancing Lord of Cidambaram, as prescribed in the texts. At the end of the worship everyday, he used to hear the tinkling sound of the Lord’s Anklets as a token of blessing. One day, he could not hear the usual tinking sound, however much he waited. For this, he held himself responsible and attempted to cut his throat. Instantly, he was stopped by the Lord’s golden hand and it was explained by an ethereal voice: “We have another devotee by name Sundara, whose enthralling songs made me forget my duty. Henceforth there wont be any laxity on my part. It would please us if you two could make friends and visti my shrines all over the world. At the time of Sundara’s departure from this mortal world, we shall send a white elephant with four tusks for his grand return to Kailasa. You can join him and attain Me sporting the present body.”

The king’s joy knew no bounds. On an auspicious day, he entrusted his duties to the noble ministers and set out on a long journey to meet Sundara, along with the royal paraphernalia. A sizeable army followed him on elephants and horses. On the way, he stopped at Madhura, Cidambaram, Dronipuram and accorded ceremonial worship to the deities. Later, arriving at Kamalalayam, he met Sundara and in his company visited many Saivaite centres. At the end of the long pilgrimage, he saw Sundara off to his native place and reached Mahodayam. After sometime, the Airavata (white elephant) was sent by Maheshwara to bring Sundara to Kailasha. Then Cera joined Sundara on his horse and reached Kailasha. There he attained Lord’s feet in due course.

—The End—

I Fail to see the relevance of the post.

Skanda puran is one of the largest purans. It has 23 UpaPurans or 23 sub purans. Its silly to claim that all of them deal with Tamil saints

Skanda puran contains stories from all parts of India.

Tamil's God Murugan is from Mars (the red planet), he is the first Tamil King in Kumari Kandam, as though Tamils gives a damn to Aryan Indians .....

Funny thing to say since Kumari Kandam comes from the sanskrit "Kumarika Khanda" or the chapter of Kumarika. Just a buch of tamil hocus pocus.