Man created God!!

[Halaku Khan]

There is no living person who has seen or met God or met its maker yet,

I don't think that is true. Every soul is on a journey to Self-realization and IMHO there are many people around with varying degrees of Self-Realization. It is a process of evolution that takes place over many lifetimes. Fully enlightened people are very rare but IMHO such ones also exist.

Would we not curse over selves for doing killing fighting rioting in name of God.

Religion is a science - fighting over religion is like fighting over the laws of physics. It is true that at this point of time religion has become a matter of dogma and blind belief for most. But you should not "throw out the baby with the bathwater."

However the downside of this will be that Man will have no Moral or any ethical bindings left.. we will start to live like animals as their will be nopthing to be scared off.. so for a civilizations and societies God was crucial.. and may still be..

Human beings act out of self-interest.

Sometimes people have a narrow view of what their self-interest is. Wiser people act out of enlightened Self-interest. Here Self is with a capital S. As Jesus said, "I and my Father are one". In Sanskrit, one would similarly say "Aham Brahmasmi". The sense of self for an enlightened soul is different from that of an ordinary person. When the mind becomes perfectly calm, there comes the realization of being one with the sole formless Reality (or "God"). The entire Cosmos, with all its living beings and inanimate objects, is perceived as being an expression of that one Reality.

The laws of morality, such as the injunction to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", are in fact a logical consequence of acting out of Self-interest, provided the concept of "Self" is understood correctly.

See my previous posts:

[1] http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/22536-very-quick-introduction-sanatana-dharma.html

[2] Symbolism in Sanatana Dharma

[3] Attributes of "God", and the concept of worship

 

[ajpirzada]

The power of reasoning is something, we have evolved to..and that is why we can reason anything..which our ancestors could not. According to me again i said me ;
1. God for Man and God for Dog ..cow..pig would be same, so why only only Gods of this world are mostly Human form.(when i say mostly ..we hindu's have Monkey God also. and many others...)
2. There is no living person who has seen or met God or met its maker yet,

So one fine day..if it is eventually known that their is no God at all..leave at all the religion or faiths (Maybe a Alien civilization lets us know..) what would happen. Would we not curse over selves for doing killing fighting rioting in name of God.

However the downside of this will be that Man will have no Moral or any ethical bindings left.. we will start to live like animals as their will be nopthing to be scared off.. so for a civilizations and societies God was crucial.. and may still be..

Hope this article may help spreading the positive charm!! and least to say..STOP fighting in name of GOD at least.

firstly in true hinduism God never came to this world in any human form and to say God looks lik X Y Z is wrong. this goes against ur most respected scriptures, Vedas.
you are being philosophical with rest of ur post and not logical. logic will question how did first human being come to this earth and how this whole universe was created. if u have ever read any authentic religious scriptures then logic will also question how did prophets(peace be upon all of them), to whom books were revealed, knew stuff which man in general came to know thousands of years after.
please see my previous post and if could come up with logical answers to those questions, i might start thinkin that there is no such thing as God

also if today we are fightin over religion, that has to do nothing with God but only with our ignorance... we just follow wat our parents tell us and dont do our own research. if we do that we will find many major similarities...
lastly God says in Quran that there is no compulsion in religion. meaning everyone is free to follow their religion and no one has got any right to force others. so those who force others to convert are surely not on the right path

 

[Halaku Khan]

firstly in true hinduism God never came to this world in any human form and to say God looks lik X Y Z is wrong. this goes against ur most respected scriptures, Vedas.

Actually, in Sanantana Dharma, the view would be is that each human being is an expression of Divinity, or Divinity in human form. But in the ordinary person, the Divinity is obscured by Ignorance and Delusion.

 

[Luftwaffe]

fateh71 read what i wrote i didn't tabligh to you therefore ur comment on being getting out of tablighi mode is nullified I simply replied that whatever matches Quran as per Quran we accept it and if not we reject that what is there about tabligh? do u even understand simple english? Ok even if i am in tablighi mode thats excellent for me stop me if you can for you specifically i'll say what my Prophet used to say for ppl like you to "To you is ur religion to me is mine" but i pick and choose whom to tabligh to and whom to ignore like i've ignored you don't get my attention you won't get any. now go sit in ur corner ur IQ level is -125.

 

[notsuperstitious]

fateh71 read what i wrote i didn't tabligh to you therefore ur comment on being getting out of tablighi mode is nullified I simply replied that whatever matches Quran as per Quran we accept it and if not we reject that what is there about tabligh? do u even understand simple english? Ok even if i am in tablighi mode thats excellent for me stop me if you can for you specifically i'll say what my Prophet used to say for ppl like you to "To you is ur religion to me is mine" but i pick and choose whom to tabligh to and whom to ignore like i've ignored you don't get my attention you won't get any. now go sit in ur corner ur IQ level is -125.

Wow. your imeccably drafted reply leaves me no room for retaliation. I really should not take on someone so intellectually superior in future.

just for my own understanding i'll put side by side my question to Asim and ur reply to it, may be it'll down upon me where my low iq failed me.

My question to Asim (on his assertion that religions other than islam are corrupted)

"are you saying Vedas have been corrupted? Or that we've lost the message of Buddha? Or Guru Nanak?"

Your reply

"Yes vedas or whatever is corrupted..there might be some verse in vedas that might be in its original like God has no shape or form etc etc with which muslims agree Quran is the criteria to judge between right and wrong so everything that other books have to be brought and studied along side Quran if it does matches with Quran we have no problem in accepting it but if its doesn't we clearly reject it."

mmm... nay! don't get it

 

[Durrani]

ya right.somebody said so and hence it has to be true...no proof no reference no logic nothing required. Would you take this reasoning in any other case or just a claim as proof itself? Its true hence its in the book. Its in the book hence its true. So very reasonable. Just claiming is sufficient?

This is funny. e.g. Bush could have claimed non-christians are evil..god told him so. So automatically it becomes true because he claimed it and has a bunch of supporters? No reasoning required..no proof nothing.
So what is right here and what is wrong here? Is it bush who is wrong or is it "those" people?

So belief is one thing..but dont bring a religious ideological reasoning or so called "truth" written on a piece of paper as a fact because there aint one. Its just statements. period. "X is good". "Y is bad." "God is called P." "God is angry". Whether you believe it or not is upto you. But it wont make it a fact.

READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SAID FIRST BEFORE YOU RESORT TO WRITING YOUR JUNK. The point was not whether Islam is the RIGHT belief or not. The point was that at the moment it stands as the only belief THAT HAS NOT BEEN CORRUPTED since it was originally founded. You may believe whatever you like in terms of religion but you can not deny the fact that of all the religions in the world today (mainly Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) Islam is the ONLY ONE THAT STILL POSSESSES ITS PUREST FORM SINCE INCEPTION.....

 

[notsuperstitious]

The point was that at the moment it stands as the only belief THAT HAS NOT BEEN CORRUPTED since it was originally founded. You may believe whatever you like in terms of religion but you can not deny the fact that of all the religions in the world today (mainly Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) Islam is the ONLY ONE THAT STILL POSSESSES ITS PUREST FORM SINCE INCEPTION.....

Thats precisely whats being challenged here. there's no reason to believe Vedas have been corruted, or that Guru Granth Sahib is corrupted. So ur claim is not based on facts.

 

[ARSENAL6]

^^His point is, there is no god and man has created 'god' to control people.

As some one said,

For wise-men, God is False.
.

How does someone become wise by making God false ????????
I seriously doubt some of our Indian posters here or is the intention to ridicule the Pakistani forum which is not working at all but becoming extremly annoying.

 

[linkinpark]

How does someone become wise by making God false ????????

I didn't say people become wise by saying god is false, I said Wise people believe that god is false.

 

[DarkStar]

Thats precisely whats being challenged here. there's no reason to believe Vedas have been corruted, or that Guru Granth Sahib is corrupted. So ur claim is not based on facts.

Guru garanth sahab is not corrupted, but it is not claimed to be an inspired book. The majority of it consists of poetry by muslim sufi saints and Sikh Gurus who were sometimes fighting for the mughals and sometimes fighting against them. Hardly a confidence inspiring work.

The scholarship on the vedas is unanimous that it was an original oral tradition that was put to words centuries later, so plenty of time available for corruption.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Guru garanth sahab is not corrupted, but it is not claimed to be an inspired book. The majority of it consists of poetry by muslim sufi saints and Sikh Gurus who were sometimes fighting for the mughals and sometimes fighting against them. Hardly a confidence inspiring work.

The scholarship on the vedas is unanimous that it was an original oral tradition that was put to words centuries later, so plenty of time available for corruption.

Abr Guru Grant Sahib, for (Sikh) believers, its highly inspirational, its a matter of faith, same as Islam.

Abt Vedas, its pure speculation, no reason to believe there's corruption. Oral traditions were serious business, no room for invention otherwise we would have mutliple copies floating around.

There's no reason to believe Buddha's original message is lost too.

 

[ajpirzada]

Abr Guru Grant Sahib, for (Sikh) believers, its highly inspirational, its a matter of faith, same as Islam.

Abt Vedas, its pure speculation, no reason to believe there's corruption. Oral traditions were serious business, no room for invention otherwise we would have mutliple copies floating around.

There's no reason to believe Buddha's original message is lost too.

just for clarification..... were Vedas written down rit when the verses were revealed?? or verses were remembered by ppl and then put on paper after saveral years?? also can u plz clarify how was Veda sent to humans?? i mean was it sent down how other books were sent down through prophets (peace be upon them)... i never got a clear answer to these questions.

 

[Luftwaffe]

fateh71 as i told you don't look more for my attention you won't get special attention i explained what i had to if u didn't understand sorry pal ur braindead then..don't argue like kids with me in simplest words i explained to you don't try to drag it and reply line by line to me i haven't even read then and passed on reading others comments told you i'll ignore you just letting you know again if u can't understand leave this thread instead of arguing without any direction.

 

[Halaku Khan]

Quran is the criteria to judge between right and wrong so everything that other books have to be brought and studied along side Quran if it does matches with Quran we have no problem in accepting it but if its doesn't we clearly reject it.

That raises the question of what criterion should the Quran be judged by.

In Sanantana Dharma, spirituality is regarded as a practical science. Sanantana Dharma does not ask for blind belief. Yes, one does have to make an effort to learn and apply that science - just as one has to undergo several years of training to become a physicist or a medical specialist. But the important thing is that each person can verify its validity for himself. For example, when one talks about control of Prana (life energy) and its effects, that is something that can be verified by experience.

 

[notsuperstitious]

fateh71 as i told you don't look more for my attention you won't get special attention i explained what i had to if u didn't understand sorry pal ur braindead then..don't argue like kids with me in simplest words i explained to you don't try to drag it and reply line by line to me i haven't even read then and passed on reading others comments told you i'll ignore you just letting you know again if u can't understand leave this thread instead of arguing without any direction.

Show me the way master. Practice what you preach.