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Maliki calls for making Karbala the new Qibla .................

Bro I answered to toppic not u.

I think it is good beacase Mekka is in Saudi arabia.Saudis wrecked 4 Imam Shrine in Madina but built London clock nearby Kabba.

Mekkah is there in Arab land since the time of Prophet Abraham (PBUH).....and Saudi Arabia is there since 1932....!!! Saudi Arabia was not there when Kaabah in Mekkah was declared new Qiblah for us.....for the rest of your post....please ask saudis why they wrecked the shrines......if you have the courage....!!!
 
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Then we should bash Saudi Arabia whole heartily , we should not question the basic tenets of Islam. I have huge issue with Saudi Arabia. Absolutely barbaric country but Islam is not Saudi Arabia.

Bro haj is obligatory like Salah and never changes ..... but gathering Muslims Shia/Sunni in Karbala for assemblies is good Idea beacause it is impossible in Mekka cause of Saudis.

Saudis wrecked 4 Imam Shrine in Madina but built London clock nearby Kabba
 
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From Wikipedia: Qibla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the traditional Muslim view, the Qiblah originally faced the Noble Sanctuary in Jerusalem. This Qiblah was used for over 13 years, from 610 CE until 623 CE. Seventeen months after the Islamic prophet Muhammad's 622 CE arrival in Medina – the date is given as 11 February 624 – the Qiblah became oriented towards the Kaaba in Mecca.According to traditional accounts from Muhammad's companions, the change happened very suddenly during the noon prayer in Medina, in a mosque now known as Masjid al-Qiblatain (Mosque of the Two Qiblahs). Muhammad was leading the prayer when he received revelations from God instructing him to take the Kaaba as the Qiblah (literally, "Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque:"). According to the traditional accounts contained in the hadith and sira, Muhammad, who had been facing Jerusalem, upon receiving this revelation, immediately turned around to face Mecca, and those praying behind him also did so.
I think you should have stopped there...explains all...rest at the bottom is speculations...some think, some claim, some said...
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. (2:144)..now this was an "order" not just a statement...


As for everyone else Allah answered you before:

The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight. (2:142)
And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. (2:143)
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. (2:144)
And if you brought to those who were given the Scripture every sign, they would not follow your qiblah. Nor will you be a follower of their qiblah. Nor would they be followers of one another's qiblah. So if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, indeed, you would then be among the wrongdoers. (2:145)

When you have already been given an order and reject it (in Arabic the word for rejecting in such a manner is kufr) so you will be among the wrongdoers (those who reject = kafir)

We were warned people will question us about it... :angel:
 
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Mekkah is there in Arab land since the time of Prophet Abraham (PBUH).....and Saudi Arabia is there since 1932....!!! Saudi Arabia was not there when Kaabah in Mekkah was declared new Qiblah for us.....for the rest of your post....please ask saudis why they wrecked the shrines......if you have the courage....!!!
Yes I meaned Wahabi cult but saudis have had many actions even they wanted to wreck Prophet(Sawas) Shrine and did not let rebuild Imams(Saa)Shrines near Prophet shrine.
 
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Bro haj is obligatory like Salahand never changes ..... but gathering Muslims Shia/Sunni in Karbala for assemblies is good Idea beacause it is impossible in Mekka beacause of Saudis.
so you have not been to Hajj? Mind you shias have been to hajj so how is it impossible? :unsure:

Lets see over and over Quran says dont transgress (dont over do) ...everything in moderation is good...Now it is already expensive to go for Hajj...and now you want to add another thing people will want to spend on? Dude people do go to Karbalah to give respect...But if this is a tourism stunt that is a little too much!

We can blast this statement to the future and we will get 2 compulsory hajj (mekkah and karbalah) now tell me does that not sound like innovation in religion? Adding something and transgressing the boundary?

Prophet didnt do sooo many things on a daily basis for fear someone will say I saw prophet doing it Always so we must make it Wajib! :unsure:

You can promote its historical richness but announcing it equal to a qibla?! :blink:
 
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so you have not been to Hajj? Mind you shias have been to hajj so how is it impossible? :unsure:

Lets see over and over Quran says dont transgress (dont over do) ...everything in moderation is good...Now it is already expensive to go for Hajj...and now you want to add another thing people will want to spend on? Dude people do go to Karbalah to give respect...But if this is a tourism stunt that is a little too much!

We can blast this statement to the future and we will get 2 compulsory hajj (mekkah and karbalah) now tell me does that not sound like innovation in religion? Adding something and transgressing the boundary?

Prophet didnt do sooo many things on a daily basis for fear someone will say I saw prophet doing it Always so we must make it Wajib! :unsure:

You can promote its historical richness but announcing it equal to a qibla?! :blink:

Gathering Shia and Sunni free is impossible not haj!!!
 
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Gathering Shia and Sunni free is impossible not haj!!!
Well, if you keep giving such fatwahs...I guess the impossible line will reach NEVER EVER....
and obviously it is not hajj unless you open your own religion....Islam stopped at 5 pillars...knokta!

Since I have been to Saudi and know few sunnis who claim their best pals at school levels were the shia (prob before they jumped into the political bandwagon) so while I have heard Shia Iranis saying their best pals at school were sunni Iranians....so please dont blast it to a scale the media would love...Keep it original!

When I went to Umrah I met many Iranian shias....infact MANY..you can distinguish them very nicely as they have their own groups and do "different" things from the norm....

When we go to Madina we get to sit in groups (at least for the girls)and the some women explain how to behave...even after 1-2 hrs of explaining of the rules, some still do what they want...but you can see each group...they hold placards with the county's name on it...and some groups wear similar clothes to be recognized from far so yes I have met Iranian shias...because my parents know a little bit of raw Persian we could even identify them from their talking....so what impossibility are you talking about?

Haj or even Umrah allows shias and sunni to be in the same place...who thought you all that?! :blink: go do hajj or umrah then come back and tell me your thoughts...and do me a favour burn that media who told you of this "impossibility" that does happen!! :unsure:
 
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The grave worshiper speaking from this true soul!
 
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Well, if you keep giving such fatwahs...I guess the impossible line will reach NEVER EVER....
and obviously it is not hajj unless you open your own religion....Islam stopped at 5 pillars...knokta!

Since I have been to Saudi and know few sunnis who claim their best pals at school levels were the shia (prob before they jumped into the political bandwagon) so while I have heard Shia Iranis saying their best pals at school were sunni Iranians....so please dont blast it to a scale the media would love...Keep it original!

When I went to Umrah I met many Iranian shias....infact MANY..you can distinguish them very nicely as they have their own groups and do "different" things from the norm....

When we go to Madina we get to sit in groups (at least for the girls)and the some women explain how to behave...even after 1-2 hrs of explaining of the rules, some still do what they want...but you can see each group...they hold placards with the county's name on it...and some groups wear similar clothes to be recognized from far so yes I have met Iranian shias...because my parents know a little bit of raw Persian we could even identify them from their talking....so what impossibility are you talking about?

Haj or even Umrah allows shias and sunni to be in the same place...who thought you all that?! :blink: go do hajj or umrah then come back and tell me your thoughts...and do me a favour burn that media who told you of this "impossibility" that does happen!! :unsure:

Sorry I cannot read u writing but this story has no realation to haj it is just a capital for gathering muslims no more.
 
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Sorry I cannot read u writing but this story has no realation to haj it is just a capital for gathering muslims no more.
then call it that..qibla means a specific direction in context of Islam it means where everyone faces to offer prayer in the sense of unity!
 
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Bro haj is obligatory like Salahand never changes ..... but gathering Muslims Shia/Sunni in Karbala for assemblies is good Idea beacause it is impossible in Mekka beacause of Saudis.

Saudis wrecked 4 Imam Shrine in Madina but built London clock nearby Kabba

dear,
in Islamic beliefs there are clear hierarchies.

Allah, Kaba and Quran are clearly on the top and their position cant be shard or they cant be superseded

due to historical significance Karbala has an importance as a symbol to stand in front of a tyrant but dont loose the essence of that great sacrifice, it was to uphold the Faith of Muhammad PBUH.


remember that Ali r.a and Imam Hussain r.a both gave their lives while praying and guess where their direction was? you guessed it right, same as where the Muhammad PBUH taught them to.

I know there are some sects who claim to be shia but they are not and their faith is littered with Shirk and they were despised & condemned by Ali r.a, these guys are just like the Takfiri & Kharjites who claim to be sunnis but they have blood of Muslims from all sects.

remember to be a true Shia of Ali you have to be a Sunni of Muhammad PBUH, because Ali r.a was one of the best follower of Muhammad PBUH's sunnah.

peace

Im a Atheist Muslim you dumb fuk!

Typical Shia mentality of abusing when they can't come up with proper statement.
come again? sorry I didnt understand
Atheist and a Muslim? they are contradictory terms arnt they?
 
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Oh these days in Pakistan how many much atheist amount is growing up.
Its non of your concern, we hate our hate and sectarian filled mullahs while you iranians love and preach your ayatullahs and mullahs, who fill your hearts with hate for others and see everyone with wahabi angle is your policy.

You label all moderate muslims whether they belong to Pakistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia or Penguins in Antarctica who shall dare disagree with your bulshit, you will label them wahabi!

Your kind dont belong in Islam.
 
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