Maldives refuses Pakistan's offer of aircraft

[Aryan0395]

gwader is either gonna break the countries spine or is gonna jump-start the struggling economy

Well if hambantota is can be taken as an example the former is more likely...:/
Lets hope it doesnt come to that, not in our interest.

 

[ziaulislam]

Honestly Gwadar isnt gonna have a free ride. The biggest competitor will be ur own karachi port as its already a well established port in the region, has good infra, yes it can't be expanded but its not like port is turning away traffic coz its operating at full capacity. More ships arent gonna appear magically.
Other competitors will be India-Iran's chahbahar port, closer to the gulf. Another contender is Port of Duqm in Oman for which inidia recently entered into a contract with Oman.

gawadar is very close to qandahar/Afghanistan
This is where its importance is all of Afghanistan traffic is going to move there once motor way is completed

Second very cheap land around it so all industries can be setup there especially textile..cotton is going to come from central asia via Afghanistan

Third oil refineries which aim to export petrochemicals

Fourth karachi has different role

 

[Cookie Monster]

Oh of course Chinas power is rising. But it's influence within most countries is falling now that countries are waking up to China's debt trap diplomacy. Which means that China will have to get what it wants through more aggressive means such as what happened in Sri Lanka. And Bhutan is still very much in the pro India camp, the only country in South Asia that is not is Nepal. Even Rajapaksha has softened his position of India and has visited India several times. And like I said KP Oli is realizing that his election rhetoric does not match with reality. Like I said before, it is impossible to shape geography, and countries separated by plains will be closer than countries separated by mountains.

On a side note BD's elections are coming up, so we will have to see about that,

I only brought up Bhutan as an example to show a country strictly in India's camp. Of course Bhutan is still very much sided with India since it has a border dispute with China. What I was saying is that Indonesia/Malaysia is not analogous to something like Bhutan/Nepal/Maldives.

As for Sri Lanka...well yeah the whole loan thing didn't work out...but then again any company/bank that provides a loan seeks a return on it. The same applies here...
...it is the party accepting the loan that should consider whether or not it would be able to sustain the payments+interest. In this case however since it's a matter of countries being involved rather than an individual...of course there will be some tensions. However as far as countries go, there's always room for ties to improve(or deteriorate).

The long game seems to be rn that the already established powers are trying to rally the countries most affected by China's rise to power...against China. So that the infighting among them would weaken all parties and the status quo would remain. If China wants to rise to the superpower status, it would have to do some give and take to neutralize the tensions with the majority of countries in that region. Otherwise China would be bottlenecked if Vietnam/Philippines/Japan/Taiwan/India along with potentially Indonesia, Malaysia and Australia banded together against China. IMO China would use its influence and wealth to sway some of these countries away from siding against it. China has already made efforts in case of Philippines.

Side Note: Hasina and her party are going to win the BD elections. It's painfully obvious how she has used the Pakistan card to sideline/arrest/nullify her political opponents. In all fairness, under her rule, BD has made some big economic strides but at the cost of becoming a satellite state of India. So my prediction is that Hasina would win and BD would remain very much India's satellite state.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I only brought up Bhutan as an example to show a country strictly in India's camp. Of course Bhutan is still very much sided with India since it has a border dispute with China. What I was saying is that Indonesia/Malaysia is not analogous to something like Bhutan/Nepal/Maldives.

As for Sri Lanka...well yeah the whole loan thing didn't work out...but then again any company/bank that provides a loan seeks a return on it. The same applies here...
...it is the party accepting the loan that should consider whether or not it would be able to sustain the payments+interest. In this case however since it's a matter of countries being involved rather than an individual...of course there will be some tensions. However as far as countries go, there's always room for ties to improve(or deteriorate).

The long game seems to be rn that the already established powers are trying to rally the countries most affected by China's rise to power...against China. So that the infighting among them would weaken all parties and the status quo would remain. If China wants to rise to the superpower status, it would have to do some give and take to neutralize the tensions with the majority of countries in that region. Otherwise China would be bottlenecked if Vietnam/Philippines/Japan/Taiwan/India along with potentially Indonesia, Malaysia and Australia banded together against China. IMO China would use its influence and wealth to sway some of these countries away from siding against it. China has already made efforts in case of Philippines.

Side Note: Hasina and her party are going to win the BD elections. It's painfully obvious how she has used the Pakistan card to sideline/arrest/nullify her political opponents. In all fairness, under her rule, BD has made some big economic strides but at the cost of becoming a satellite state of India. So my prediction is that Hasina would win and BD would remain very much India's satellite state.

Fair enough. Thanks for that reasonable and mostly accurate analysis.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Fair enough. Thanks for that reasonable and mostly accurate analysis.

There's no point in an analyzing something if it is done with a bias. If a person is to force his/her preconceived notions into an analysis...then it basically deviates from reality and turns into fiction.

 

[Riz]

get a bail out package dear ....



tel jale teli ka ,dil jale mashalachi ka .......................

You musaltar... Untill your own airforce would ever accepts teja.. Our thunder will be flying more then dozens of the countries airforces... You joker or what ?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah, woke up and smelt the coffee and realised China has been kicked out of maldives, its in progress in Malaysia and cant do more jack shit in Sri Lanka. Oh wait, it tried, Tried to get Rajpaksa into office, he got thrown out again and Wickramsinghe still rules.

Looks like its u who needs to read some news. Yes Nepal is still a work in progress, we will get there, but Maldives is done deal.
Indonesia and Malaysia used to be pro china btw, how are they coming along?
Basically if u start to read some paper after smelling ur coffee in the morning, would realise that China has lost influence in IOR countries that are strategically located, Port in Malaysia near malacca strait gone, Deep sea port in Maldives for southern Indian Ocean gone and neither are there any hopes for military use of hambantota.
Whereas we get keep ours in Seychelles, and will be patrolling in Maldives territorial waters (Thank you for that China).
Their only remaining outpost in is Djibouti, and bad luck for them, US sits just 5 miles away from there.

See the post below...it's in response to another member...and while it doesn't directly respond to ur above post...it still addresses some of the things u brought up.
Post 48

China did, look what it got them, lost the influence they had built in these countries whereas we got ours back by spending peanuts compared to China's crapload of dollars. Why shall we make the same mistake of going out there ruthlessly whereas same results can be achieved with patience, our patience paid off.

That's peanuts, we just gave $1.4bn aid alongwith other assurances. it can certainly be done, do u really think they would say no?

All I'm saying is that it's just a tall claim unless proven. I can claim all I want that I can fly...but unless I demonstrate it...it remains just that...a claim. So in short...yes u claiming that India can make Maldives cancel its contract with Pakistan is just a tall claim.

We care about our interests in IOR. You would be wise to remember these words when ur debt becomes unsustainable and China refuses to bring in 3rd party (How's KSA's participation btw?)

Don't worry about Pak. India/Indians have been hoping Pakistan is going to go bankrupt since its birth...and yet here we are.

If Pak does fail to make payments on China's loans...it would be Pak government's(that accepted the terms and the loans) fault. If u accept a loan offer from a bank and then making the payments becomes unsustainable...is it the bank's fault?

Wise words. Money talks.
Why did Pakistan pulled out diamer bhasa dam out of North Indus cascade? didnt IK himself said that conditions are strict which would effectively hand over the control to China? Remember?

It's simple...if u don't like the terms of the loan u don't have to accept it. If the terms were as such then it's good IK didn't accept it.

Yeah, Money talks, but only to a certain extent. China failed to realise that extent.

But China has enough money to try again and again and again...until it succeeds.

 

[KAMDEV]

You musaltar... Untill your own airforce would ever accepts teja.. Our thunder will be flying more then dozens of the countries airforces... You joker or what ?

i respect mechanics how well they assemble thunder from kits brought from china .

 

[Cobra Arbok]

i respect mechanics who assemble thunder from kits brought from china .

They should try selling them back to the Chinese and see if their iron brothers want to buy a "Pakistani" aircraft.

 

[KAMDEV]

They should try selling them back to the Chinese and see if their iron brothers want to buy a "Pakistani" aircraft.

ha ha ha .............never

 

[Riz]

i respect mechanics how well they assemble thunder from kits brought from china .

We should learn from india how to make proper indegenious plan with 70% imported mall... And why you naming china when your own airforce dont want to even consider this shitty plan..

 

[hussain0216]

Did you even read the article? The foreign minister said they have been used to save hundreds of lives through medical evacuations and SAR operations. Dhruvs are used by many countries from nepal to turkey to peru sucessfully and more orders are expected

They are poor aircraft with vendors trying to get rid of them

https://quwa.org/2016/10/24/ecuadorian-air-force-will-sell-off-hal-dhruv-helicopters/

The Maldives got them free but still they didnt want them, this is just a political consideration

Yes that's why countries throughout the IOR, South Asia, SE Asia, and Africa have been rejecting Chinese investments and turning to india instead. You can keep living in denial, but i am not surprised a pakistani is sucking chinese d*** because they have no hope of standing up to india without their chinese daddies.

Pakistan is standing up to india just fine, its been 70 years and we still are putting bullets in your soldiers heads

We have 150 nuclear warheads pointed at you and have launched repeated military actions over the years against a much bigger enemy

What the fcuk else do you want?

Yes that's why countries throughout the IOR, South Asia, SE Asia, and Africa have been rejecting Chinese investments and turning to india instead.

China is fine, it is recording record exports with trade with all nations increasing over time
Take a look at indias own purchases of Chinese products and your trade balance
Now if india is forced to buy Chinese then why would other countries have issues

What does india make or offer that can replace better quality Chinese products or services or project management

Those counries have seen how china stole a port from sri lanka and are smart ejough not to make the same mistake. Fortunately, they have a kind, benevolent neighbor India who can help them, much to the dismay of its petty, jealous western neighbor.

Your mistaken all theze countries can no balance their foreign relations
They have options and they know it
Look at maldives they are still partaking in numerous Chinese projects and they also get 1.4 billion out of india where 86% of the population lives on less then 5 dollars a day

Maldives wins!!!

What did india get? The honour of paying them money for something they used to take of granted?

 

[Mentee]

No problem buddies we gonna come back with an even nicer, economical and technically advance package than this one. We'll be seeing you a lot, best wishes

Good. They should buy some land for their people.

This was not an intelligent comment to begin with. Maldives is a Pak friendly state and I find their people and the landscape quite attractive and heavenly .

 

[Aryan0395]

As for Sri Lanka...well yeah the whole loan thing didn't work out...but then again any company/bank that provides a loan seeks a return on it. The same applies here...
...it is the party accepting the loan that should consider whether or not it would be able to sustain the payments+interest. In this case however since it's a matter of countries being involved rather than an individual...of course there will be some tensions.

This is the point. When a bank gives loan it takes collateral, and keeps on giving but there comes a point where banks just refuse to give loans (im equating with companies and business houses and equating company with an individual is rather far fetched) unless buyer shows paying capacity. China instead keeps on pouring in more even if the country isnt able to pay back and they funnily enough provides more loan so that recipient can make repayment of previous loans. its completely different from what institutions like IMF and World bank do, checking books first and advising on conducting business so it generates revenue (might go against populist measures but then have populist measures ever been beneficial?).
Now comes the issue of recovery, other nations are part of Paris Group which outlines the framework for recovering loans. China is part of no such issue thus isnt bound to adhere to its guidelines so debtor doesn't know what to expect.

If China wants to rise to the superpower status, it would have to do some give and take to neutralize the tensions with the majority of countries in that region. Otherwise China would be bottlenecked if Vietnam/Philippines/Japan/Taiwan/India along with potentially Indonesia, Malaysia and Australia banded together against China. IMO China would use its influence and wealth to sway some of these countries away from siding against it. China has already made efforts in case of Philippines.

As far as India is concerned, the occasional confrontations d get resolved as there is an established mechanism which has been given more importance by both parties after doklam. And trade is also going well, both have some tariffs but that's understandable. When it comes to making India comfortable, it cant be done, atleast not till another decade. You cant expect India to trust china when it claims Arunachal as part of its territory. It Will take comprehensive dialogue and agreements stretching multiple years before there is trust between two. I really hope it happens, would become golden time for Asia.
Regarding SE Asia, vietnam and philippines already have territorial disputes i.e. spartly islands. Wealth may buy the politicians for sometime but ultimately when citizens see such situations developing they do protest. Sri Lanka and Malaysia should be apt example for that. And Duterte is a very astute and heavy handed person who has come down heavily on corruption and other issues.