Maharashtra: Beaten, forced to wave saffron,MUSLIM cop says his force let him down

[Peshwa]

You need to understand that Muslims do worse to Police and others in Muslim dominated areas and during their rallies.So don't blame them entirely.Atleast they didn't burn Police station or vandalize Shops,indulge in arson, molest women as in Malda riots. Hold the mirror to Muslims too.Why should we follow rules, when others don't? did we take a contract of following and enforcing rules when others dont?

Two wrongs dont make a right, sir!

Besides...Isn't it exactly the "muslim" behavior that fuels the hindutvadis to criticize them? So how does this incident make hindutvadis any different from the muslim actionss they criticize??

If we are going to be sitting on a moral high horse to judge muslims, then at least solidify your position so you can actually point fingers! These incidents are just plain fucking stupid and the people behind this need to be brought to justice..

 

[Jackdaws]

You need to understand that Muslims do worse to Police and others in Muslim dominated areas and during their rallies.So don't blame them entirely.Atleast they didn't burn Police station or vandalize Shops,indulge in arson, molest women as in Malda riots. Hold the mirror to Muslims too.Why should we follow rules, when others don't? did we take a contract of following and enforcing rules when others dont?

This is a bit of a loaded statement. Perhaps a bit unfair to brush an entire community with the same stroke. Of course there have been incidents. I have interacted with cops and some Muslims - both have a deep mistrust of each other. A few years ago Mohalla Committees were formed to bridge the gap. I think those are defunct now - perhaps someone can shed some light on this.

 

[Bombermanx1]

@raktaka
If you believe that hindus should be allowed to put up a flag as and when they choose, then Im sorry but we then have no moral right to object to any muslim from Kashmir to Kaniyakumari raising any flags at their point and place of choosing...
Whether it be the islamic flag or even the Pakistani flag...



Sure you can...just keep your mitts to yourself and dont engage in criminal behavior! simple!

Why? i ask simply why?Pakistan has finished Hindu minority to 1% in 68 years.Why should we be the ideal citizens when they riot in Azad Maidan over Rohingyas or Palestine, Not even related to Maharasthra as Shivaji Jayanti.
Do you want to see videos of Muslims rioting against Shivaji killing Afzal Khan posters in Maharasthra.Where they broke Ganesh murtis. So tell me again, why should Hindus bear the cross of Secularism,when others won't? Theka le rakha hai kya hamne Secularism ka? Or we are Gandhi? who will kiss the hands and legs of killers of Hindus?

 

[Jackdaws]

Why? i ask simply why?Pakistan has finished Hindu minority to 1% in 68 years.Why should we be the ideal citizens when they riot in Azad Maidan over Rohingyas or Palestine, Not even related to Maharasthra as Shivaji Jayanti.
Do you want to see videos of Muslims rioting against Shivaji killing Afzal Khan posters in Maharasthra.Where they broke Ganesh murtis. So tell me again, why should Hindus bear the cross of Secularism,when others won't? Theka le rakha hai kya hamne Secularism ka? Or we are Gandhi? who will kiss the hands and legs of killers of Hindus?

Maybe because there are other faiths here too. I guess you do have the right to wish to change India to a theocratic Hindu nation-state. But do you think it would be fair to the Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Parsis, Christians? India as a society has been secular in the Dharmic sense before the western Napoleonic secularism gained currency. I squarely blame the Congress for making secularism a dirty word in the Indian political lexicon through its vote bank politics. But secularism is crucial in the fabric of a society as diverse as India.

 

[jetray]

Why? i ask simply why?Pakistan has finished Hindu minority to 1% in 68 years.Why should we be the ideal citizens when they riot in Azad Maidan over Rohingyas or Palestine, Not even related to Maharasthra as Shivaji Jayanti.
Do you want to see videos of Muslims rioting against Shivaji killing Afzal Khan posters in Maharasthra.Where they broke Ganesh murtis. So tell me again, why should Hindus bear the cross of Secularism,when others won't? Theka le rakha hai kya hamne Secularism ka? Or we are Gandhi? who will kiss the hands and legs of killers of Hindus?

Police is a professional force, not some thing which should be abused or taken for granted. Attacking a police man is nothing short of terrorism against state whatever the reasons of attack may be. Going by your logic even maoists should get a free pass to kill police and security forces.

 

[Peshwa]

Why? i ask simply why?Pakistan has finished Hindu minority to 1% in 68 years.Why should we be the ideal citizens when they riot in Azad Maidan over Rohingyas or Palestine, Not even related to Maharasthra as Shivaji Jayanti.
Do you want to see videos of Muslims rioting against Shivaji killing Afzal Khan posters in Maharasthra.Where they broke Ganesh murtis. So tell me again, why should Hindus bear the cross of Secularism,when others won't? Theka le rakha hai kya hamne Secularism ka? Or we are Gandhi? who will kiss the hands and legs of killers of Hindus?

For one simple reason...Because we aim to be a secular country...NOT a theocratic state like Pakistan!

Of course I speak for myself, but comparing India and actions of Indians by making Pakistan the benchmark is basically short selling ourselves..
Why should we care how Pakistan royally screws up their minority population? Why compare yourself to Pakistan?

Secondly, Shivaji Jayanti is not by any means a religious holiday...so Hindus getting sensitive over this is a bit ridiculous..You have to admit!

 

[Bombermanx1]

Two wrongs dont make a right, sir!

Besides...Isn't it exactly the "muslim" behavior that fuels the hindutvadis to criticize them? So how does this incident make hindutvadis any different from the muslim actionss they criticize??

If we are going to be sitting on a moral high horse to judge muslims, then at least solidify your position so you can actually point fingers! These incidents are just plain fucking stupid and the people behind this need to be brought to justice..

In mathematics TWO NEGATIVES MAKE IT A POSITIVE.That is Universal law and Maths is not wrong.
Stop giving me this "An eye for a eye will make the whole world go blind"
There will be the one with one eye left still.
"In the land of the blind, One eyed man is the king"
Please don't sit on the moral high horse when Your neighbours will abduct Hindu girls(kohlis in Pakistan) because Virat Kohli scored a Century against Pakistan and rape them.
Most of you have this High moral thing, i dont understand why?We are not in Satya Yuga,Dwapara Yuga we are in Kali Yuga as Lord Krishna said. Chanakya could shed some enlightenment over it.
So don't give me this moral high ground.Did you ever see a bunch of Lions say Chii, the Buffallo is in dirt so we will drop our attack and wait till it comes on dry ground?
No! They infact steer the buffalo into vulnerable position and pounce on it.
Don't bring in morals, because that is what gets our people killed.Learn from your mistakes.

This is a bit of a loaded statement. Perhaps a bit unfair to brush an entire community with the same stroke. Of course there have been incidents. I have interacted with cops and some Muslims - both have a deep mistrust of each other. A few years ago Mohalla Committees were formed to bridge the gap. I think those are defunct now - perhaps someone can shed some light on this.

Those Mohalla Committees never do anything do they? So quit trying to do something and let nature take its course.

 

[Jackdaws]

In mathematics TWO NEGATIVES MAKE IT A POSITIVE.That is Universal law and Maths is not wrong.
Stop giving me this "An eye for a eye will make the whole world go blind"
There will be the one with one eye left still.
"In the land of the blind, One eyed man is the king"
Please don't sit on the moral high horse when Your neighbours will abduct Hindu girls(kohlis in Pakistan) because Virat Kohli scored a Century against Pakistan and rape them.
Most of you have this High moral thing, i dont understand why?We are not in Satya Yuga,Dwapara Yuga we are in Kali Yuga as Lord Krishna said. Chanakya could shed some enlightenment over it.
So don't give me this moral high ground.Did you ever see a bunch of Lions say Chii, the Buffallo is in dirt so we will drop our attack and wait till it comes on dry ground?
No! They infact steer the buffalo into vulnerable position and pounce on it.
Don't bring in morals, because that is what gets our people killed.Learn from your mistakes.


Those Mohalla Committees never do anything do they? So quit trying to do something and let nature take its course.

Actually the Mohalla Committees work pretty well it seems - Mohalla committees now full-fledged cultural organisations | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

 

[Peshwa]

In mathematics TWO NEGATIVES MAKE IT A POSITIVE.That is Universal law and Maths is not wrong.
Stop giving me this "An eye for a eye will make the whole world go blind"
There will be the one with one eye left still.
"In the land of the blind, One eyed man is the king"
Please don't sit on the moral high horse when Your neighbours will abduct Hindu girls(kohlis in Pakistan) because Virat Kohli scored a Century against Pakistan and rape them.
Most of you have this High moral thing, i dont understand why?We are not in Satya Yuga,Dwapara Yuga we are in Kali Yuga as Lord Krishna said. Chanakya could shed some enlightenment over it.
So don't give me this moral high ground.Did you ever see a bunch of Lions say Chii, the Buffallo is in dirt so we will drop our attack and wait till it comes on dry ground?
No! They infact steer the buffalo into vulnerable position and pounce on it.
Don't bring in morals, because that is what gets our people killed.Learn from your mistakes.

Let's say for a moment that I agree with everything you have said...

my question to you is...If your gripe is with Pakistan and how it treats its own minorities (read hindu), then why not go take it out on Pakistan? what are we achieving by mistreating and humiliating our own minorities who choose to be Indian minus being Hindus..
Why are we hell bent on replicating Pakistani actions? Do we want to become or be labelled a Pakistan?
If your neighbor beats his wife, does that make it right for you to beat yours under the same justification?
How is that an eye for an eye?
This actually is more like...Pakistan ripped its eye out, so we will rip two of our own!
I dont agree with you my friend!

 

[jetray]

In mathematics TWO NEGATIVES MAKE IT A POSITIVE.That is Universal law and Maths is not wrong.
Stop giving me this "An eye for a eye will make the whole world go blind"
There will be the one with one eye left still.
"In the land of the blind, One eyed man is the king"
Please don't sit on the moral high horse when Your neighbours will abduct Hindu girls(kohlis in Pakistan) because Virat Kohli scored a Century against Pakistan and rape them.
Most of you have this High moral thing, i dont understand why?We are not in Satya Yuga,Dwapara Yuga we are in Kali Yuga as Lord Krishna said. Chanakya could shed some enlightenment over it.
So don't give me this moral high ground.Did you ever see a bunch of Lions say Chii, the Buffallo is in dirt so we will drop our attack and wait till it comes on dry ground?
No! They infact steer the buffalo into vulnerable position and pounce on it.
Don't bring in morals, because that is what gets our people killed.Learn from your mistakes.


Those Mohalla Committees never do anything do they? So quit trying to do something and let nature take its course.

In short you want chaos,anarchy...etc.

 

[Bombermanx1]

Maybe because there are other faiths here too. I guess you do have the right to wish to change India to a theocratic Hindu nation-state. But do you think it would be fair to the Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Parsis, Christians? India as a society has been secular in the Dharmic sense before the western Napoleonic secularism gained currency. I squarely blame the Congress for making secularism a dirty word in the Indian political lexicon through its vote bank politics. But secularism is crucial in the fabric of a society as diverse as India.

We paid with our blood during Partition with 7 million DEAD.Even Ambdekar wanted total Partition. Why are you trying to put Dharmics Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus against each others?
Jews,Parsis and Christians came here as refugees When nobody in the world accepted them.Escaping from Persecution.
All because of Islamic Invasions in their Lands.So you will blame us Sanatana Dharmics for that?
I mean why is this forcible secularism being fed by Western Nations, when they invented "State separated against the state" only 300 years ago. While we welcomed the Refugees even before West could invent Secularism.
Let's say we had enough of Secularism of Western Construct,The British have left already,so we will define what we want.
Because we are the only nation left in the world for Sanatana Dharmics, So why do you want to dissolve us?

Let's say for a moment that I agree with everything you have said...

my question to you is...If your gripe is with Pakistan and how it treats its own minorities (read hindu), then why not go take it out on Pakistan? what are we achieving by mistreating and humiliating our own minorities who choose to be Indian minus being Hindus..
Why are we hell bent on replicating Pakistani actions? Do we want to become or be labelled a Pakistan?
If your neighbor beats his wife, does that make it right for you to beat yours under the same justification?
How is that an eye for an eye?
This actually is more like...Pakistan ripped its eye out, so we will rip two of our own!
I dont agree with you my friend!

We are already doing that don't we?
Where did we mistreat our minorities?
Whether you like it or not You were Divided as Pakistan and Hindustan!
Why bring your wife beating case here?
How is that for a eye for a eye? Eye for an eye was from greeks, who blinded all the POW'S and made them blind and let only one eyed man lead them to their destination.The point was to drain their nations resources looking after these Blind men.
Here you are trying to mix it with Wife beating or whatever you have in mind. Dont bring absurd brother, You and me know what happens in real.

In short you want chaos,anarchy...etc.

Of course Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah!
Which has come to rescue us in 1000 years? Dharma?We play Dharma only to end up as Prithviraj Chauhan.
Dharma YUDDH IS Obsolete! As it was evident from Mahabharata.You don't deal with your enemy the same as your elders did by Dharma. Kali Yuga Read Mahabharata Again,Lord Krishna wanted Victory not defeat due to some idiotic Dharma yuddh! Evolve with the times and adopt the techniques.Those who don't evolve become extinct like Dinosaurs.

Actually the Mohalla Committees work pretty well it seems - Mohalla committees now full-fledged cultural organisations | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Let me know when they can really function! Untill then Bye

 

[MilSpec]

You need to understand that Muslims do worse to Police and others in Muslim dominated areas and during their rallies.So don't blame them entirely.Atleast they didn't burn Police station or vandalize Shops,indulge in arson, molest women as in Malda riots. Hold the mirror to Muslims too.Why should we follow rules, when others don't? did we take a contract of following and enforcing rules when others dont?

please don't do this.
Its not about us and they, you cannot beat up cops, you cannot burn police station. People who are doing so will get what's coming to them. I can understand the rage, but this entire one-upmanship will only make situations worse. Jack asses of Malda is WB's problem I have nothing to say to those other than feel pity for the bengalis who live there. I grew up in maharashtra, and i love the state, don't follow the wrong examples, I am saying call out what is wrong, if there is an issue here lets address it, lets not get into the blame game.

 

[Peshwa]

We are already doing that don't we?
Where did we mistreat our minorities?
Whether you like it or not You were Divided as Pakistan and Hindustan!
Why bring your wife beating case here?
How is that for a eye for a eye? Eye for an eye was from greeks, who blinded all the POW'S and made them blind and let only one eyed man lead them to their destination.The point was to drain their nations resources looking after these Blind men.
Here you are trying to mix it with Wife beating or whatever you have in mind. Dont bring absurd brother, You and me know what happens in real.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well and I apologize for that...
Your argument was that why should India be the bastion of secularism, when our neighbor Pakistan has basically eliminated its minority population...
To that my response was, if we feel that strongly about how Pakistan treats its minorities, then we should take the task to Pakistan and make them pay..but then I ask..why is that our problem?
But how is mistreating a muslim cop, a citizen of India and a government employee (who is just doing his duty) justified just because Pak is say discriminating against their minority? How is that an even response? How is that an eye for an eye?
In my wife analogy, the wife is the minority..
Pakistan beats up his wife, the response should be to stop Pakistan, not beat your own wife as a justification that the neighbor does it, so why shouldnt i? Does not make the action right is what I was trying to say...

Where did we mistreat our minorities?

There are a number of cases out there...
Not on a state level (our constitution is too strong)...but on an individual level...yes.
Of course individual bias cannot be policed as easily...I get it. But we do have to set a different example as individuals and Indians is what Im saying.

In all honesty, I understand where you're coming from, but purely with regards to this particular incident, change the Muslim cop to a hindu cop and the perps to Muslim mob...please be honest...do you condone the actions of the mob?

 

[Bombermanx1]

please don't do this.
Its not about us and they, you cannot beat up cops, you cannot burn police station. People who are doing so will get what's coming to them. I can understand the rage, but this entire one-upmanship will only make situations worse. Jack asses of Malda is WB's problem I have nothing to say to those other than feel pity for the bengalis who live there. I grew up in maharashtra, and i love the state, don't follow the wrong examples, I am saying call out what is wrong, if there is an issue here lets address it, lets not get into the blame game.

How long can you keep this facade up?
We are denied from even hoisting a simple flag and others are allowed to run amok,rioting across the city.
So tell me why should we even care?
It is what you say Jack asses in Malda,But will wash your hands off? it is folk like us who go there and do help in relief works for the affected Hindus.The Hindu Bengalis had it coming supporting the Communists and Mumtaz Begum.This is what happens.When you give Bangladeshis a Citizenship Card.

 

[jetray]

How long can you keep this facade up?
We are denied from even hoisting a simple flag and others are allowed to run amok,rioting across the city.
So tell me why should we even care?
It is what you say Jack asses in Malda,But will wash your hands off? it is folk like us who go there and do help in relief works for the affected Hindus.The Hindu Bengalis had it coming supporting the Communists and Mumtaz Begum.This is what happens.When you give Bangladeshis a Citizenship Card.

Dont ppl have better job than hoisting flags? Why cant they do some thing usefull like educating unprivileged children, tackle corruption...etc There are thousand ways to contribute to the society.