Made In China: Hanoians Have Mixed Feelings About Their New Metro Trains

[Rechoice]

Great to see that vietnamese knows what's best when it comes to metro trains, that is asking China to build it.

correctly, China has begged us to accept.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

outdated model，we should stop selling them even if Vietnam cannot afford newer ones

 

[Viet]

Any Vietnamese member knows who is working on Saigon's Metro System?

there are many domestic and foreign companies invoved, 6 lines in total under construction or will be built. the projects are facing a lot of hurdles, ranging from lack of funds to technical issues.

Ho Chi Minh City Metro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

saigon metro

 

[Viet]

building metro costs incredible amount of money for a developing country like Vietnam.
Saigon metro line 1 costs some $2.5 billion, line 2 about $2.5 billion, line 4 and 5 some $4.5 billion each. If we had begun constructing metro 20 years ago, we would have saved a lot of money. we are quite late.

 

[Dungeness]

there are many domestic and foreign companies invoved, 6 lines in total under construction or will be built. the projects are facing a lot of hurdles, ranging from lack of funds to technical issues.

Ho Chi Minh City Metro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

saigon metro

Thanks for the info. Very nice looking station! According to the news, Line 1 has been postponed by 2 years, from 2018 to 2020? Which line will be in service first?

Best wishes for your people!

 

[Dungeness]

building metro costs incredible amount of money for a developing country like Vietnam.
Saigon metro line 1 costs some $2.5 billion, line 2 about $2.5 billion, line 4 and 5 some $4.5 billion each. If we had begun constructing metro 20 years ago, we would have saved a lot of money.

So the costs of Line 1 and Line 2 have been more than doubled? According to wiki, the initial budget for Line 1 was 1.1 Billion and Line 2 was 1.2 B. The cost overrun caused any uproar among people? Or people in Vietnam would only complain about Hanoi metro budget overrun, since it is being built by a Chinese company?

Other Vietnamese members in this thread appeared very angry about 300 million addition fund for Hanoi metro.

 

[Viet]

So the costs of Line 1 and Line 2 have been more than doubled? According to wiki, the initial budget for Line 1 was 1.1 Billion and Line 2 was 1.2 B.

everything costs more. "inflation". for instance, a lot of money must be spent on land acquisition and compensation. more than expected.

Thanks for the info. Very nice looking station! According to the news, Line 1 has been postponed by 2 years, from 2018 to 2020? Which line will be in service first?

Best wishes for your people!

line 1 comes in 2018. delayed.
Ho Chi Minh City says fifth metro line will cost $4.47 billion | Society | Thanh Nien Daily

 

[Dungeness]

everything costs more. "inflation". for instance, a lot of money must be spent on land acquisition and compensation. more than expected.


line 1 comes in 2018. delayed.
Ho Chi Minh City says fifth metro line will cost $4.47 billion | Society | Thanh Nien Daily

I know. The same thing happened in China as well. A lot of people become so rich just because they happened to live on the right piece land. Any plan for ticket costs？

 

[GS Zhou]

11km costs $868 million is not cheap, during construction 2 civilians died. The project started in 2011 and the completion date will delay to 2016 -2018.

It is cheap. The China experience is that 400~500 million RMB per km, quite close to the Vietnam figure you raised. But plz. be aware of that the China figure is based upon the massive scale: China now owns about 2,500km metro lines, and there is another 2,500~3,000 km lines under construction. Massive scale, in economics theory, means lower cost per unit.

 

[Viet]

I know. The same thing happened in China as well. A lot of people become so rich just because they happened to live on the right piece land. Any plan for ticket costs？

some 16 cent per ride. I guess will be higher due to delay and increase of construction costs.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FK03Ae03.html

 

[cnleio]

Sorry, can't stop laugh when read this news ... LOL Vietnamese thought & behavior for China is ambivalent.

 

[Beast]

building metro costs incredible amount of money for a developing country like Vietnam.
Saigon metro line 1 costs some $2.5 billion, line 2 about $2.5 billion, line 4 and 5 some $4.5 billion each. If we had begun constructing metro 20 years ago, we would have saved a lot of money. we are quite late.

Underground tunnel proved to be very attractive alternative especially in expensive land area. Vietnam shall be wise to ask China to be the contractor for such project. Japanese/Europe tunnel boring machine are expensive to rent and they will charge you an arm or leg for short tunnel.

 

[Dungeness]

some 16 cent per ride. I guess will be higher due to delay and increase of construction costs.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FK03Ae03.html

That is extremely inexpensive. Until a couple years ago, people in Beijing would only pay 2 RMB ($0.3) flat fee to ride on all its 500+ km metro system. Now they have to pay based on the distance of their ride. I think it is capped at RMB 10?

Any Chinese member from Beijing here? @beijingwalker

It is cheap. The China experience is that 400~500 million RMB per km, quite close to the Vietnam figure you raised. But plz. be aware of that the China figure is based upon the massive scale: China now owns about 2,500km metro lines, and there is another 2,500~3,000 km lines under construction. Massive scale, in economics theory, means lower cost per unit.

Yes, it is indeed very cheap, especially when compared with the subway system in Saigon. The train looks like old design, color scheme was awful, nevertheless it gives you biggest bang for your money. The most important thing is, it will be the first to put in service.

But again, some Vietnamese members here may not care at all if some foreign contractors charge them more than double of original budgets and delay the projects by years, as long as they are not Chinese, be them Japanese, Korean, Spanish, or French.

 

[DaiViet]

That is extremely inexpensive. Until a couple years ago, people in Beijing would only pay 2 RMB ($0.3) flat fee to ride on all its 500+ km metro system. Now they have to pay based on the distance of their ride. I think it is capped at RMB 10?

Any Chinese member from Beijing here? @beijingwalker



Yes, it is indeed very cheap, especially when compared with the subway system in Saigon. The train looks like old design, color scheme was awful, nevertheless it gives you biggest bang for your money. The most important thing is, it will be the first to put in service.

But again, some Vietnamese members here may not care at all if some foreign contractors charge them more than double of original budgets and delay the projects by years, as long as they are not Chinese, be them Japanese, Korean, Spanish, or French.

The problem is 2 civilians died, 1 offical rail adminstration suicide and poor quality metro. Cheap = inferior, they get what they paid for.

 

[Kyle Sun]

The problem is 2 civilians died, 1 offical rail adminstration suicide and poor quality metro. Cheap = inferior, they get what they paid for.

how do you know it's poor.quality metro?

every huge project like metro will cost life.

if you are so concern about your fellows, ask them walk, because car accidents will kill thousands people