Liwa Zanibiyoun

[Darth Vader]

1 Pakistani State know much more about it than most people here.
2 Will Pakistani State do anything against them ?
No
Reason these groups keep Pakistan Army active and relevant in National and International stage.
3 Most of groups are linked with each other directly or in directly.
So nothing new.
Do Pakistan have the capability to neutralise these groups inside Iran & Afghanistan ?
Yes will they do cant see anything change in near future.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is a very sensitive issue as it is about religion. And I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on Shias, however upon doing a thorough research in history I've realized why Shiaism became so prominent, and if there is anyone to prove me wrong please do so as I believe I need to do more research.

I am sure you are aware of the Fatimids? The Abbasids came to power because the claimed lineage through the prophets uncle Abbas and thus had more authority as in contrast to Abu-Sufyans/Muawiyah's Ummayad. Later the Fatimids claimed lineage from Fatima and Ali, as direct descendants from the household of the prophet, and to bolster thier claim, they adopted a shiaism to counter the Sunni Abbasids.

In Persia some centuries later, Shah Ismail did the SAME THING against the Sunni Ottomans, to counter one ideology he had to adopt one that was completely opposite to it. He massacred many sunnis and forced them into Shiism. By the accoutns of history, it seems as though Shiism came about because of some individuals lust for power.

In history, what has been done has been done. There are many adherents to different faiths and they must be respected. I don't have any ill will towards any sects or religious persons, however I do believe in each religious person defending their stances when questioned (by an atheist, Christian etc and vice versa) either through arguments as to whether or not their faith is true or not, or in the case of statehood, showing their loyalty to their respective state. If some groups are not showing their loyalty, I seriously believe in holding them under scrutiny until proven otherwise, but it shouldn't go too far as I fear they might be put in concentration camps, but I do believe in keep strict surveillance. What do you think of this?

Makes sense brother. Anytime a minority or part of a minority acts as a proxy for a hostile country, the host country should cut those links.

Unfortunately the writ of the Pakistani state in this matter is totally nonexistent, which makes it all the more dangerous as citizens feel they have to take up action for the state's inaction.

I don't know why Pakistani establishment seems so paralyzed when it comes to Sunni/Shia issues and Iran. It will have to be dealt with eventually.

Meanwhile Iran and India see this inaction and take advantage of it to stoke sectarian animosities through terrorism, proxies, and propaganda.

India is even using sectarianism to divide Kashmiris in Occupied Kashmir and to destroy unity among Indian Muslims by favoring Shias.

 

[925boy]

And when they have 100% control, no Shia will have any seats in Government, currently they have 20% all that will be 0% if Iran continues these sectarian policies.

Taliban - Iran relations have evolved over time and are different at present. Taliban wont be able to get 100% control of govt of complete Afghanistan without compromise with other ethnic groups(that was the way it was in "old" Afghanistan aka pre 2001).

 

[Pax Pakistanica]

All of these retarded militias, groups, and movements have the objective of either creating a unitary Islamic theocratic totalitarian caliphate/emirate or in a few cases an Islamic republic. Nothing new, just the same old rinse and wash.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

No it doesnt! Look at how Iran does it in balochistan but they control it on their own side.

Also their terrorists are everywhere. Where you sleeping under a rock when they caught uzair baloch? Did you see his documentations?[/QUOTE]
You are going to burn yourself. Whatever baloch separatist you raise today will come back and bite you in future.Im sure people reading your suggestion here would be laughing ...If Iran is doing it it will hurt them..We dont need to make a mistake they do..btw Uzair Baloch's liaison with Iranians was particularly in regards to activities against Army installations and personeel in Karachi only. There are elements from UAE found involved doing fishy stuff in Baluchistan, how exactly would you suggest to deal with them?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

No it doesnt! Look at how Iran does it in balochistan but they control it on their own side.

Also their terrorists are everywhere. Where you sleeping under a rock when they caught uzair baloch? Did you see his documentations?

You are going to burn yourself. Whatever baloch separatist you raise today will come back and bite you in future.Im sure people reading your suggestion here would be laughing ...If Iran is doing it it will hurt them..We dont need to make a mistake they do..btw Uzair Baloch's liaison with Iranians was particularly in regards to activities against Army installations and personeel in Karachi only. There are elements from UAE found involved doing fishy stuff in Baluchistan, how exactly would you suggest to deal with them?[/QUOTE]
So they can magically do it but if we do it then we are buring ourselves. Ya right

 

[pakpride00090]

Taliban - Iran relations have evolved over time and are different at present. Taliban wont be able to get 100% control of govt of complete Afghanistan without compromise with other ethnic groups(that was the way it was in "old" Afghanistan aka pre 2001).

Very unlikely.. Taliban hold all the cards now.. Most of Afghan territory are under Taliban control. Also, Taliban might agree to share the government and ceasefire only till Americans left. Once US leaves, Taliban will take over. They are the most powerful entity in Afghanistan right now and nothing will stand in their way once US is gone out of Afghanistan.

 

[Malik Alpha]

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/video-claims-show-shiite-forces-iraq-executing-sunni-boy

Here is another success story of they only went there to save shrines.

 

[925boy]

Very unlikely.. Taliban hold all the cards now.. Most of Afghan territory are under Taliban control. Also, Taliban might agree to share the government and ceasefire only till Americans left. Once US leaves, Taliban will take over. They are the most powerful entity in Afghanistan right now and nothing will stand in their way once US is gone out of Afghanistan.

Taliban doesnt hold that many cards. It still exists because of major support from Pakistani, and at least minor support from Iran, China and Russia. I agree the Taliban are independently powerful though. Pakistan and Iran are strongly motivated to help the Taliban, and they do, economically and militarily. Yes Most of Afghanistan is under Taliban, but US doesnt seem to be going anywhere yet. US might've decided to put this war "on the budget". Taliban will have to share more power and be more civil in relationship with other groups because this is year 2020 and not pre 2001.

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/video-claims-show-shiite-forces-iraq-executing-sunni-boy

Here is another success story of they only went there to save shrines.

Assad's opposition aligned ALL their necessary "allies" in their war against Assad, and Assad's allies also alligned together to support Assad. you point at one group when your country also supported other Islamic groups fighting against Assad...probably with foreign fighters...dont play saint. your hands are as dirty. You're also a troll btw.

 

[Syed1.]

Too much emphasis on religion is the reason.... Why should it matter to an individual ke banda haath baand ke namaz parhta hai ya haath chor ke.... apnay kaam se kaam rakho bhai. I hope future generations of Pakistanis recognize that religion is a strictly personal matter and it is the person's individual relation with Allah.

When the emphasis on religion of the state decreases then we won't have these stupid militias cropping up.

 

[pakpride00090]

Taliban doesnt hold that many cards. It still exists because of major support from Pakistani, and at least minor support from Iran, China and Russia. I agree the Taliban are independently powerful though. Pakistan and Iran are strongly motivated to help the Taliban, and they do, economically and militarily. Yes Most of Afghanistan is under Taliban, but US doesnt seem to be going anywhere yet. US might've decided to put this war "on the budget". Taliban will have to share more power and be more civil in relationship with other groups because this is year 2020 and not pre 2001.


Assad's opposition aligned ALL their necessary "allies" in their war against Assad, and Assad's allies also alligned together to support Assad. you point at one group when your country also supported other Islamic groups fighting against Assad...probably with foreign fighters...dont play saint. your hands are as dirty. You're also a troll btw.

It doesn't matter if it is 2020 or 2001, Taliban are and will be the most powerful group. They are still attacking everyday and succeeding. The only thing that has changed is their ability to be diplomatic and negotiate. They have leaned this art. Instead of raw power , they have also brought in their diplomatic skills.

Pakistan never really participated in Syrian civil war. The only Pakistani citizens who went over there were Shia Pakistanis that were recruited by IRGC. Only Iran and their filthy cronies were interested in killing sunnis.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush. Your IRCG is a sectarian hate filled organization. It is only Iran whose hands are dirty and their supporters ( that includes Pakistani Shia who helped them) I know sectarian Iranis need to demonize the other party in-order to create justification for their murder.

 

[Malik Alpha]

Too much emphasis on religion is the reason.... Why should it matter to an individual ke banda haath baand ke namaz parhta hai ya haath chor ke.... apnay kaam se kaam rakho bhai. I hope future generations of Pakistanis recognize that religion is a strictly personal matter and it is the person's individual relation with Allah.

When the emphasis on religion of the state decreases then we won't have these stupid militias cropping up.

True but the problem arises when makhsoos firqa starts hurling abuses towards revered Islamic personalities and then expect the majority to respect them n then when they dont get it play mazloom which in my opinion is tantamount to randi rona.

What this firqa has done in Iraq and Syria should not to be forgiven or forgotten easily.

Taliban doesnt hold that many cards. It still exists because of major support from Pakistani, and at least minor support from Iran, China and Russia. I agree the Taliban are independently powerful though. Pakistan and Iran are strongly motivated to help the Taliban, and they do, economically and militarily. Yes Most of Afghanistan is under Taliban, but US doesnt seem to be going anywhere yet. US might've decided to put this war "on the budget". Taliban will have to share more power and be more civil in relationship with other groups because this is year 2020 and not pre 2001.


Assad's opposition aligned ALL their necessary "allies" in their war against Assad, and Assad's allies also alligned together to support Assad. you point at one group when your country also supported other Islamic groups fighting against Assad...probably with foreign fighters...dont play saint. your hands are as dirty. You're also a troll btw.

The thing is not all Sunnis support Daesh infact it must be even less than 1 percent but supporters of Sunni child killers in Iraq and Syria has 100 percent support from Shias. So no, we are not on the same page.

 

[El Sidd]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215277828519923712

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215491383039004673

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215494841037152256

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215561259686551552

Pakistan is trying to keep things under control with all efforts in preventing the region becoming a firestorm that does not benefit anyone in middle east and south Asia. here we have a press conference WITH flags of militia Iran recruits behind the podium. what is the message being sent here? Pakistan is trying keep the lid on the boiling kettle and this is simply NOT acceptable.

its pointless to expect anything from the foreign office and the brazen display of their patronage with some in Pakistan for once needs to be addressed.

So any update on Government actions taken to counter the 'perception'?

Kulbhashan Yadev has not been mentioned by this government for a while too. He is RSS Nazi in captivity of Pakistan

 

[BATMAN]

Don't agree.

You can't fight a proxy war elsewhere without conventional deterrence.

We fight proxy in Kashmir. If we didn't have the conventional (and strategic) deterrence, India would have simply attacked us directly and shut down our proxies.

Conventional and strategic "numbers" are prerequisites to proxy capability.

I exactly wonder this... how come US was never bothered with presence of Pakistani and Afghani (foreign) militants in Iraq and Syria and God knows where else.
There are all sort of official US reports, but those are just treated as piece of record, no serious persuasion was ever made to address the issue.
Reminds of how US was totally non-serious about Al-Qaeeda network in Afghanistan, in late 90's in-spite Pakistan tried hard to persuade US to do something about AQ, and even offered to hand over OBL. (search for interviews of ISI chief in late 90's Zia ud din Butt), now i'm looking it from same dimension.

On the other hand, i'm suspicious of Imran Khan's trips to Iran, where he behaved quite suspicious, starting from changing the scheduled date of his visit and non-diplomatic activities, incl. meeting general Sulemani (later target killed).. right?

One more thing, the military person in picture from OP is reportedly replacing the Sulemani and is reportedly was operational incharge of mafiaism in Pakistan and Afghanistan, no wonder he was co-operating with Indians and all the most wanted of Pakistan.

A militia that is recruited by a foreign government is a serious threat. Would Iran like the idea of Pakistan recruiting Iranians into a military unit for future use? I don't think so.

That's the bottom line and a fact, most of the rest is baseless and biased theories.
What matters is Pakistan's so called democratic regime, and their tilt, simply put.

The thing is not all Sunnis support Daesh infact it must be even less than 1 percent but supporters of Sunni child killers in Iraq and Syria has 100 percent support from Shias. So no, we are not on the same page.

These people are definitely not normal and in best case scenario normal and civilized people should leave Pakistan, because these baby killers are quite influential in naya Pakistan.
Imagine a dooms day scenario, when same mafia will have both PM house and Presidency in their fist.
They will decide, which lt. is promoted to Captain and which Captain is promoted as Major and so on.... until the General rank and what follows is every one's imagination!

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1233775704057221121