Lieutenant Colonel in J&K shots himself up

[Spring Onion]

Isnt the topic about Indian Army,
Asim Atleast the Indian Army doesnt have a Internationally acknowleged track record like that of Pakistan Army in bangladesh. I dont think this the right way to discuss,but there is only so much you can take.

Atleast PA officers are not involved in cheap level cooruption like ceral scandals

ok i also dont think so this right way to discuss it

 

[Spring Onion]

well the sucide topic again surfaced we hear many members from other side say there is no need to discuss it. but i think every time there is a suicide by indian armyman the topic will surface again and again its for sure.

the main point to note is that it is happening only in Indian Held Kashmir as india have army in other parts also but there they dont commit suicide or shoot at their officers and collegues. If u present pretext of harsh terian and unfavourable conditions in kashimr for the shootings and suicides than im afraid its a lame excuse as soldiers are trained to face such condistions, so if they are not doing so they are either poorly trained, or they are forcely deployed there, or they can not carry the burdel of many attrocities.
As far not allowing them leaves well that can not be an excuse for a professional soldier to kill himself as we know on our side Pakistan Army soldiers are workign in much worse conditions in some parts of my province (NWFP) some even not visited their homes for the last one year have no access to net, phone and other facilities in some very hard areas but there is not even a single case of suicide and killing own officer or collegue.

its up to you guys now to instead of brushign aside the matter to think over it.

 

[Adux]

you are wrong in that analysis, suicide is not confined to J&K, please understand the vastness of india and kashmir is only a valley.

Jana understand this very cleary before , Though india is a democracy, The Army is not a democracy. You take orders and carry it out, there are no two ways about it.

We are not brushing aside the problem, look at my first post here. But i am not going to allow you to use this incident as an excuse to push your theory and earn brownie points, Indians are so bad thing, and you should be ashamed yourself strategy, kashmiris hate you, you should not be there strategy, is not going to work.

You have your views about kashmir and i respect that, and we have ours, we are proud of our values and the reason we are there.

 

[vnomad]

Then please do tell us why the Colonel shot himself up, as you were there with him, right?

Suicides take place throughout the world. Just because he was a Colonel doesn't mean that he's immune to depression. Do you think a colonel leads a COIN operation? Junior officers do that. That automatically negates the possibility of him being forced to shoot somebody.

 

[TomCat111]

Check through Boston Herald Articles ,and get back to me.

Don’t take the easy way out. Can you deny the fact India refused to take possession of the bodies under the Red-Cross supervision? Why? Obviously the Red-Cross, a globally recognized neutral body, was getting in way of something sinister India had planned, that’s why.

India holds the title for the largest black market of human organs. IA officers are also well-known for selling ammo, fuel, food and etc in black market heading for internal security operations. Now, can you put 2 and 2 together, as to what might have happened to the allegedly-missing organs of the bodies of Indian soldiers?:eek1:

World opinion is on India's side, there must be some reason for it. Maybe you should self-introspect. Please dont consider world leaders and journo's to be some idiotic bunch who couldnt see through the great indian lie,lol.

Please don’t confuse Western hypocrisy as tacit approval of Indian innocence. West also consistently turns blind-eye on Israeli accesses on Arabs too. Does that make world leaders and journo's to be some idiotic bunch?

 

[TomCat111]

Suicides take place throughout the world. Just because he was a Colonel doesn't mean that he's immune to depression.

So can we safely assume that you are as clueless as we are, because you weren’t present there and you also lack any direct info or sources involved with Colonel’s suicide? Therefore, all of our speculations hold equal weight.

 

[TomCat111]

stop your ultra uber sarcasm, maybe then people will show respect and atleast a give a try to understand your pov, if any

As they say, ‘truth hurts’.

What gave you the illusion that I am soliciting for your approval.
I exercise my right of free-speech within the guidelines of this forum. Whether you agree or disagree with me isn’t of much significance to me.

 

[TomCat111]

They are terrorist and I share no sense of remorse in their deaths. Its a victory for the safety of my civilian population.

Obviously, cold-blooded murders of innocent civilians don’t bother your conscious as long as they are labeled as terrorists and as long as they happened to be Muslims or some other minority.

But then you had already made your ethos clear in message 28 where you coldheartedly declared, “This is how humans are, deal with it... Survival of the fittest.”

I might support the army action, but there enough and more people including the very liberal media who criticze the army for their actions.

Simple question. To date, how many Indian soldiers have been court-martialed for the inhumane and despicable behaviors like flashing victory signs and their feet on the mutilated bodies of their victims?

Please allow me to restate, any civilized nation and their military with a shred of dignity, hint of humanity or an ounce of honor do NOT allow their soldiers to pose jubilantly next to the mutilated bodies of their victims. Every time such despicable instances were discovered by the Americans, Brits and Germans, they took their soldiers to the task by courtmarshalling them for their inhumane and despicable behavior. Only nations with the baggage of inferiority complex steaming from centuries of slavery desperately try to prove their worth by allowing and encouraging such inhumane and despicable behavior.:hrr:

 

[Adux]

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[TomCat111]

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Just as expected... speechless.:GUNS:

 

[sword9]

Just so that we're clear, I was referring to the Indian government's monstrous orders to target Kashmiris.

Normaly I would have avoided this provocative statement, but I thought otherwise.
The only ones killing Kashmiris directly are:-
1. The Hizbul Mujahideen - One example is below ( a recent case)

Suspected Kashmir rebel claims paid 20 dollars for grenade attack
Linkhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061112/wl_sthasia_afp/indiakashmirunrest_061112053933
Sun Nov 12, 12:39 AM ET

SRINAGAR, India (AFP) - A suspected Islamic militant said he had been paid about 20 dollars to hurl a grenade during Friday prayers at a mosque in Indian Kashmir that killed five people, including four children.....

Mir was captured by villagers immediately after the attack and handed over to authorities, said Brigadier J.S Katoch of the Indian army.

Mir denied any links with the pro-Pakistan Hizbul Mujahedin, the region's leading rebel group fighting to end Indian rule in Kashmir, whom the police have blamed for attack.

But he said that he was the nephew of a senior Hizbul commander Abdul Rashid Ganai. The Hizbul Mujahedin has denied it had any hand in the blast. (caught with their pants down I suppose ).

"Militants own the blasts that cause army casualties but disown those that cause civilian casualties," Katoch said.

Friday's attack came days before top officials of India and Pakistan are to meet for talks over a slow-moving peace process launched in 2004.

The region has been rocked by a series of grenade attacks by separatist militants in recent months.

The only ones killing Kashmiris in-directly are:-
2. The ISI/ Pak Army via the LET - The story of these chaps is well known, from rescuing terrorists like Omar Shaikh in the IC 814 hijack, who was the funding agent for Mohd Atta. (Omar Shaikh being directed by the Chief of ISI Lt Gen Mahmoud Ahmed to despatch $100, who was subsequently retired and sent to Fauji Foundation).

 

[Spring Onion]

The only ones killing Kashmiris in-directly are:-
2. The ISI/ Pak Army via the LET -

Yeh may be ISI also paying for Indian soldiers suicide decisons

 

[vnomad]

So can we safely assume that you are as clueless as we are, because you weren’t present there and you also lack any direct info or sources involved with Colonel’s suicide? Therefore, all of our speculations hold equal weight.

Yes I guess you're right. But, he certainly wasn't forced to shoot anyone.

 

[Adux]

Just as expected... speechless.:GUNS:

Nopes, just dont wanna be troll feed

 

[Spring Onion]

Nopes, just dont wanna be troll feed

Sorry we dont ban Indian members here so u had to take the pain

kiddin