Lieutenant Colonel in J&K shots himself up

[vnomad]

Just so that we're clear, I was referring to the Indian government's monstrous orders to target Kashmiris. The soldier has to carry them out, whether he likes it or not.

The soldiers committed suicide or shot their superiors, after being denied leave or receiving a dressing down from a JCO or officer. These men and women are serving under high stress levels, perpetually in a state of low intensity conflict, away from their families with minimum facilities. In such circumstances only a few dozen suicides out of a standing strength of 700,000 isn't bad at all. You're making a wild guess (and a biased one if you ask me) as to the reason behind the suicides. You have to speak to the soldiers serving there and then judge.

 

[Awesome]

What does High stress levels translate into? A feeling of guilt!

Stress is there because they are fighting against the people. Even if they are told they are fighting for the Kashmiris, they are there and can see that the Kashmiris don't like them and like Pakistan.

 

[Awesome]

PS. Though we are largely inspired by WAB's leadership, we make it a point to keep our members protected from others hurling insults onto them. Unlike any other national forum we allow any criticism onto Pak too. A coupla lull's comments were editted (from thread titles only), since he insisted on referring to Pakistan as Punjabistan.

We don't allow anyone call India as Bhindia like in other place, either. We want to make this place the most mature spot on the internet for heated debates.

 

[Adux]

What does High stress levels translate into? A feeling of guilt!

Stress is there because they are fighting against the people. Even if they are told they are fighting for the Kashmiris, they are there and can see that the Kashmiris don't like them and like Pakistan.

No it doesnt, it can be of Work load, Longer deployment and away from the family and not getting any leaves etc, If I do take that point as valid, they have other reasons to fight the war, lets say for land and they wouldnt care two hoots for the people there. How do you think US genreals sleep after everything happenin in IRAQ, it is a moot point and a lame one.Military men dont think that way. That is more the way of Green peace activist

You are assuming Kashmirs dont like them, they are pretty aware of what is happening across the boder. Humans are very intelligent beings they can find good from bad

Adu

 

[TomCat111]

For all you know He must have shot himself cuz of some private reason or something, and I am not ruling out working stress also.Lets not get into quick conclusions on a matter we know nothing about.

Neither I, nor you were there; therefore, our speculations hold equal weight. However, nobody can deny, a pattern of suicides has emerged among the Indian security forces deployed on internal security duties in Kashmir and elsewhere. We also realize Indian soldiers who are NOT deployed on internal security duties do not go berserk the same way when their leaves are denied. So what does that mean? To me, the problem lies in either discipline in IA, or in the ugly realities of internal security operations ala guilt.

 

[Adux]

Neither I, nor you were there; therefore, our speculations hold equal weight. However, nobody can deny, a pattern of suicides has emerged among the Indian security forces deployed on internal security duties in Kashmir and elsewhere. We also realize Indian soldiers who are NOT deployed on internal security duties do not go berserk the same way when their leaves are denied. So what does that mean? To me, the problem lies in either discipline in IA, or in the ugly realities of internal security operations ala guilt.

How did you come to the conclusion the IA soldiers not involved in Internal Security is less likely to commit suicide. Do you have a link which specifically states that which can be referenced to some study.
I dont know why everyone is discounting the most important factor , Over Deployment wether it is in siachin, internal security or even as a desk clerk in new delhi....getting a leave of absence in IA aint easy which results in other family problems

 

[Awesome]

And why would over deployment result in killing yourself?

Do salesmen that have to stay away from their families end up killing themselves?

 

[Adux]

I am talking about serious study, definitly it will be high in a hot zone
why should it be guilt, why cant be sheer helpness of his comrades dieing of terrorist bombing and his inability to strike back since IA is very strict on Collateral Damage.

Sincerely speaking Guilt ranks very low on the reasons, It is more to do with variety reasons. i have read the most number of reports on Jawans killing their collegues or superiors in the context of not attaining leave absence

 

[TomCat111]

Soldiers are supposed to follow orders. It's not THEM who we are calling "monstrous". They definitely don't take pleasure in killing thats why it may be a cause that they end up taking their own life.

Unfortunately, I tend to disagree with you. I have seen way too many pictures of Indian soldiers flashing victory signs - as they stand on or next to mutilated bodies of their victims - to think for even a second that they were merely following orders and didn’t take any pleasure from killing.

There is one such picture I can never forget. In the picture, 4 mutilated bodies of Kashmiri youth laid in the forest encircled by jubilating Indian soldiers who victoriously raised their guns in air in a sign of jubilation. The mutilated youth were declared as Pakistani terrorists by GOI/IA. When the villagers took to streets to protest the cold blooded killings and labeling of their sons as Pakistani terrorists, the IA tried to cover-up the truth by switching the DNA samples. The boneheaded cover-up was exposed when the fake DNA samples turned to be of feminine origin. It turned out the mutilated bodies were actually of local Kashmiri youth who were cold bloodedly murdered and then mutilated by the jubilating soldiers.

 

[Awesome]

Guilt ranks very high with the American vets returning from Iraq.

Guilt was the reason why Ernest Hemmingway and other writers of their time who had to serve in the first world war were called the "Lost Generation".

Read his short story, "Soldier's Home", in which a returning soldier is disturbed about the war and tries to tell people there was nothing admirable about what they did there.

 

[Awesome]

Unfortunately, I tend to disagree with you. I have seen way too many pictures of Indian soldiers flashing victory signs - as they stand on or next to mutilated bodies of their victims - to think for even a second that they were merely following orders and didn’t take any pleasure from killing.

There is one such picture I can never forget. In the picture, 4 mutilated bodies of Kashmiri youth laid in the forest encircled by jubilating Indian soldiers who victoriously raised their guns in air in a sign of jubilation. The mutilated youth were declared as Pakistani terrorists by GOI/IA. When the villagers took to streets to protest the cold blooded killings and labeling of their sons as Pakistani terrorists, the IA tried to cover-up the truth by switching the DNA samples. The boneheaded cover-up was exposed when the fake DNA samples turned to be of feminine origin. It turned out the mutilated bodies were actually of local Kashmiri youth who were cold bloodedly murdered and then mutilated by the jubilating soldiers.

Pretty sure most of them are "built for the kill"... Just saying that many must have a conscience too.

 

[Adux]

And why would over deployment result in killing yourself?

Do salesmen that have to stay away from their families end up killing themselves?

It is more easier for a Salesmen to get a new job as well as Leave. Most salesmen have targets,You can do one huge sale which meets ur target for the whole month and drink for the rest 29 days...trust me i know this..what IA army jawan earns to a educated to salesman is pittance.

Salesman dont carry guns with them, Jawans are mostly illiterate they dont know anything else to do other than being in the army. Indian Army has lesser number of solidiers commiting sucides than the Americans. Its a moot point Asim, Humans have the habit of thinking his side of the story is right, Indian Army doesnt have the track record, And yes they have isolated incidents so did US Army in Abu gharib. Men with Guns will misbehave at times, it is part of the package.Mob menatility if u will, and those very few who do arent guility about it.

 

[Adux]

Unfortunately, I tend to disagree with you. I have seen way too many pictures of Indian soldiers flashing victory signs - as they stand on or next to mutilated bodies of their victims - to think for even a second that they were merely following orders and didn’t take any pleasure from killing.

There is one such picture I can never forget. In the picture, 4 mutilated bodies of Kashmiri youth laid in the forest encircled by jubilating Indian soldiers who victoriously raised their guns in air in a sign of jubilation. The mutilated youth were declared as Pakistani terrorists by GOI/IA. When the villagers took to streets to protest the cold blooded killings and labeling of their sons as Pakistani terrorists, the IA tried to cover-up the truth by switching the DNA samples. The boneheaded cover-up was exposed when the fake DNA samples turned to be of feminine origin. It turned out the mutilated bodies were actually of local Kashmiri youth who were cold bloodedly murdered and then mutilated by the jubilating soldiers.

And if the terrorists/freedom fighters for u/ killed those jawans, they would also do the same.Pose for pictures.Smile and be happy that they are alive , and people who came to kill them are dead.There stories pakistani's trained terrorist killing us in our metros, If u ask me, it is better them than me. This is how humans are, deal with it.

Why do u think the americans are killing everyone who they are feeling as a terrorist. Survival of the fittest.

Adu

 

[Awesome]

It is more easier for a Salesmen to get a new job as well as Leave. Most salesmen have targets,You can do one huge sale which meets ur target for the whole month and drink for the rest 29 days...trust me i know this..what IA army jawan earns to a educated to salesman is pittance.

Salesman dont carry guns with them, Jawans are mostly illiterate they dont know anything else to do other than being in the army. Indian Army has lesser number of solidiers commiting sucides than the Americans. Its a moot point Asim, Humans have the habit of thinking his side of the story is right, Indian Army doesnt have the track record, And yes they have isolated incidents so did US Army in Abu gharib. Men with Guns will misbehave at times, it is part of the package.Mob menatility if u will, and those very few who do arent guility about it.

That would still lead to a divorce at best. People who commit suicide are those that feel their life is not worth living. People who are in a bad job with less vacations can just quit.

 

[Awesome]

Thats a poor behavior by a soldier, whether a rebel or of the Indian army.

Some degree of adversarial respect should be maintained.