Lies My History Teacher Told Me

[syedali73]

But I want to...Just as you want to make personal attacks against me.

No personal attacks, just establishing your position here. You colluded with your another naturalized American friend and targeted me. I did not incite you to collude with him, it was your call. I only responded in self-defense.

 

[gambit]

It is important to note that even after that recent history, both Vietnam and USA are working together to improve relations and business.

Mr. 73 just hates the idea that anyone would want to be an American. Not because he has any inkling of what it is to be an American, 'real' or 'not real'. His personal attacks against you and me is reflective of his hate. He is the typical hater.

 

[VCheng]

Mr. 73 just hates the idea that anyone would want to be an American. Not because he has any inkling of what it is to be an American, 'real' or 'not real'. His personal attacks against you and me is reflective of his hate. He is the typical hater.

The best response is to ignore such attacks, and remain on topic.

Hindsight is always 20:20. War and judging the decisions made under war conditions decades later is bound to be wrong.

 

[gambit]

No personal attacks, just establishing your position here. You colluded with your another naturalized American friend and targeted me. I did not incite you to collude with him, it was your call. I only responded in self-defense.

What self defense ? Where did I called you any names in this thread ? Post 16 was where you made the first insult, academician.

 

[syedali73]

Not sure who you are talking about. For a claimed 'academician', you have a sorry knowledge and understanding of the Vietnam War to talk as if you know enough to make personal attacks against me.

And you have a sorry attitude towards the published facts. The entire world knows about it except you because you are in denial. Go tell this to Vietnamese in Vietnam, they'll tear you into pieces and throw those pieces down the latrine.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@waz @Irfan Baloch

Would it be racist on this forum to refer Caucasians as "white", Mongoloid people as "yellow", people of subcontinent as "browns"

no, what other PC alternative you have in mind

Japan attacked USA first, and then wanted peace on its own terms too. It just doesn't work that way. USA wanted an unconditional surrender, and achieved it through superior power, as it should have, and did.

it demonstrated its power and its terms through first nuclear attack. the veterans say the alternative was a long and bloodier conflict form island to island leading to the Japan mainland. I buy that

but the second nuclear attack was unnecessary, was ruthless and was a message to the world that USA meant business. the second one on Nagasaki cant be justified under any circumstances, it was a pure and ruthless empire in action which killed already a downed foe.

 

[Psychic]

They bombed cities to send a message that "We will wipe out your race from the earth if you don't surrender".

They did the same with Dresden, a city packed with refugees and having zero military targets was firebombed to rubble. More died in Dresden than the combined death toll of Heroshima and Nagasaki.

Sadly the rules of war were not followed by any side.
Japan was to be defeated ultimately but because of ferocious resistance expected from Japanese on any future invasion of their mainland, US used terror card to make them surrender.

 

[Slav Defence]

My comment will never be able to cover up all those circumstances that made Japanese or Americans to get engage in bloodbath.I live far away from United States and have least interacted with Japan.I could pick up any side and,prepare my words to represent my argument.
However,my debate or anyone's debate cannot bring back all those Americans we lost,plus all those innocent Japanese souls burnt alive due to horrible fission chain reaction.My words,argument,hate towards specific side cannot heal!

and...japan.....

I only have condolences to your forefathers and your generations,Dear Americans and Japanese people!

Kind Regards

 

[gambit]

And you have a sorry attitude towards the published facts. The entire world knows about it except you because you are in denial. Go tell this to Vietnamese in Vietnam, they'll tear you in pieces and throw those pieces down the latrine.

At the risk of sidetracking this thread, you do not know a damn thing about Viet Nam and the Vietnamese over this, little man with a little mind.

 

[VCheng]

it demonstrated its power and its terms through first nuclear attack. the veterans say the alternative was a long and bloodier conflict form island to island leading to the Japan mainland. I buy that

but the second nuclear attack was unnecessary, was ruthless and was a message to the world that USA meant business. the second one on Nagasaki cant be justified under any circumstances, it was a pure and ruthless empire in action which killed already a downed foe.

As I said before, judging the decisions made under war conditions decades later is bound to be wrong. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

War criminal apologist in action. Shameless.

it is unbecoming of a title holder to resort to name calling.
someone having a different point of view shouldn't be harassed in such way.

 

[gambit]

I think they could have detonated the atom bomb say 70 Kms into the sea of the identified cities. Message would have been loud and clear- we can evaporate you so surrender. I'm not convinced that bombing the city centres with an intent of killing maximum people was really needed.

What if a tsunami from the detonation wiped out tens of thousands on the coast ?

it is unbecoming of a title holder to resort to name calling.
someone having a different point of view shouldn't be harassed in such way.

This is about the US, so name calling is necessary, especially from an academician to give it gravitas.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

As I said before, judging the decisions made under war conditions decades later is bound to be wrong. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.

I second that sir.
re first part some big WAR criminals met the justice finally decades after their atrocities when they were finally nabbed across the globe .. reference to Nazi leadership. whatever the circumstances their actions were unjustified.

 

[Indus Falcon]

it demonstrated its power and its terms through first nuclear attack. the veterans say the alternative was a long and bloodier conflict form island to island leading to the Japan mainland. I buy that

but the second nuclear attack was unnecessary, was ruthless and was a message to the world that USA meant business. the second one on Nagasaki cant be justified under any circumstances, it was a pure and ruthless empire in action which killed already a downed foe.

I agree with you on Nagasaki. On Hiroshima, I do not. IT could have been avoided. A target of more military strategic value could have been chosen, with less human casualties. The enormity of the atomic bomb would have still gotten through, but less people would have been killed.

 

[Psychic]

he veterans say the alternative was a long and bloodier conflict form island to island leading to the Japan mainland. I buy that

Sir, IwoJima and Okinawa were Japanese lands.