LHC to hear treason case against Khadim Rizvi, Fazlur Rehman on Nov 12

[Moon]

Look at Khadem Hussain Rizvi expression ..... he look worried and turn his face in opposite direction ...

His time will come, if not in this world, then in the next.

political opinion of people are different from their religious opinions

Then they are hypocrites, don't stand by them.

 

[Yaseen1]

this is not limited to Pakistan only but almost all nations of world public has this attitude this happens in democracy

His time will come, if not in this world, then in the next.


Then they are hypocrites, don't stand by them.

 

[Trango Towers]

Please do not slander scholars... especially Ala Hazrat Ahmad Rida Khan (Rahmatullah Alayh). We are not even equal to the dust which touched their feet

Speak for yourself....every muslims is equal. They are nkt prophets so nothing special. I have seen so called scholars doing henious crimes. They have distorted the prophets teachings and mislead many. I suggest you as a muslims read what the prophet pbuh taught and forget the rest for he told us. Today i have completed your religion for you. I dont remember him dancing like brelwis or other sects i dont remember him causing fitna like these molvis do. I dont remeber him singling out a woman and going after her. So please i know the difference between islam and these mullahs. I have no issues with islam but these so called mullahs....we we are not even on the same book let alone the same page.

 

[313ghazi]

Speak for yourself....every muslims is equal. They are nkt prophets so nothing special. I have seen so called scholars doing henious crimes. They have distorted the prophets teachings and mislead many. I suggest you as a muslims read what the prophet pbuh taught and forget the rest for he told us. Today i have completed your religion for you. I dont remember him dancing like brelwis or other sects i dont remember him causing fitna like these molvis do. I dont remeber him singling out a woman and going after her. So please i know the difference between islam and these mullahs. I have no issues with islam but these so called mullahs....we we are not even on the same book let alone the same page.

When we bring daleel to counter the points you wahhabi like you throw as slander then you people start changing the subject. When we point out the fitna amongst you, you act offended.

The topic at hand is is the TLP and a treason case. If you want to make sectarian statements, the internet is full of wahhabi forums where you guys can express yourselves without offending others.

 

[El Sidd]

Caramel popcorn

 

[313ghazi]

What is a wahabi?
Should i call you a grave worshipper. I bet you are fat like these molvis and probably more like them than unlike them. They do not represnt islam and here is a challenge for you

ASK ANY OF THEM THE MEANING OF SALAT THAT THEY PRAY AND YOU WILL NOT FIND EVEN 1 IN A HUNDRED THAT KNOWS ITS. Thats my daleel. So be a muslim else you will be a zaleel here and in the after life.

Always daleel....do u even know what that is?
Remember the prophet himself said about the khawareej...they know the religion better than you but it goes through them like an arrow through game...

I am so grateful they are going after these traitor molvis. Just like the taliban and isis before them.

You have just proven my point. As soon as I mentioned daleel, you changed the topic. As soon as I suggested I might mention the fitna amongst your kind, you got offended.

Thank you

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As for your questions and challenge;

1. You can call me whatever names you like, it is between you and Allah.

2. A wahhabi is a follower of the teachings of Abdul Wahhab

3. Daleel is evidence. In a religious context it is evidence in the light of the Quran and Sunnah

4. If you want to know about the knowledge of the scholars of Ahle sunnah, you should ask them. I am confident in what my teachers taught me. I can provide you references to the books in English.

 

[Moon]

this is not limited to Pakistan only but almost all nations of world public has this attitude this happens in democracy

Whataboutism. Just because they do it, we should too idealology will destroy the country.

Speak for yourself....every muslims is equal. They are nkt prophets so nothing special. I have seen so called scholars doing henious crimes. They have distorted the prophets teachings and mislead many. I suggest you as a muslims read what the prophet pbuh taught and forget the rest for he told us. Today i have completed your religion for you. I dont remember him dancing like brelwis or other sects i dont remember him causing fitna like these molvis do. I dont remeber him singling out a woman and going after her. So please i know the difference between islam and these mullahs. I have no issues with islam but these so called mullahs....we we are not even on the same book let alone the same page.

Well said. The problem with these folks is that they want a mortal hero, they aren't satisfied with what they Holy Prophet (PBUH) has said and done, they have some sort of a complex which requires them to treat mortals, who have no affiliation with the Holy Prophet (PBUH) as some sort of authority.
Folks like these keep making amendments to the words of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and ignore his sayings and teachings when it suits them.
I don't want to insult the founder of their faith Ahmed Raza Khan (as unlike them I am a better person), but I can bet you, if they pulled of this stunt in front of him he would've been pretty upset.

Please do not slander scholars... especially Ala Hazrat Ahmad Rida Khan (Rahmatullah Alayh). We are not even equal to the dust which touched their feet

He has no direct affiliation with the Holy Prophet (PBUH). Hence he is worthy of every single criticism that comes to him.
Don't make him larger than life, he was a man, he had flaws, weaknesses and sinned, like all men do. Once again: Do not associate or compare him to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) you will invite trouble to your entire faith if you do that.
That being said, I have proved my points, let's end the religious discussion, we've already went away from the topic.

 

[Yaseen1]

Whataboutism. Just because they do it, we should too idealology will destroy the country.

Well said. The problem with these folks is that they want a mortal hero, they aren't satisfied with what they Holy Prophet (PBUH) has said and done, they have some sort of a complex which requires them to treat mortals, who have no affiliation with the Holy Prophet (PBUH) as some sort of authority.
Folks like these keep making amendments to the words of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and ignore his sayings and teachings when it suits them.
I don't want to insult the founder of their faith Ahmed Raza Khan (as unlike them I am a better person), but I can bet you, if they pulled of this stunt in front of him he would've been pretty upset.

He has no direct affiliation with the Holy Prophet (PBUH). Hence he is worthy of every single criticism that comes to him.
Don't make him larger than life, he was a man, he had flaws, weaknesses and sinned, like all men do. Once again: Do not associate or compare him to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) you will invite trouble to your entire faith if you do that.
That being said, I have proved my points, let's end the religious discussion, we've already went away from the topic.

to change this culture western democracy should be ended in Pakistan as it is full of double standards

 

[Trango Towers]

to change this culture western democracy should be ended in Pakistan as it is full of double standards

Lol...and replaced by the jahils.

First lets lesrn our religion...how many in your family know the meaning of namaz....dont answer me test it out. U will be shocked

 

[Yaseen1]

jahils are created in Pakistan by this democracy the elected members in past 70yrs not took steps for educating public

Lol...and replaced by the jahils.

First lets lesrn our religion...how many in your family know the meaning of namaz....dont answer me test it out. U will be shocked

 

[Trango Towers]

You have just proven my point. As soon as I mentioned daleel, you changed the topic. As soon as I suggested I might mention the fitna amongst your kind, you got offended.

Thank you

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As for your questions and challenge;

1. You can call me whatever names you like, it is between you and Allah.

2. A wahhabi is a follower of the teachings of Abdul Wahhab

3. Daleel is evidence. In a religious context it is evidence in the light of the Quran and Sunnah

4. If you want to know about the knowledge of the scholars of Ahle sunnah, you should ask them. I am confident in what my teachers taught me. I can provide you references to the books in English.

Mate my kind is this.

1. I am in no sect for out of the 73 all but one will go to hell.
2. I dont een say i am shia sunni etc....i am simply a muslim as was my prophet pbuh and the sahabas
3. Quran and sunnah ... thats it...no fat molvi throwing stones and swearing.
4. Learn and educate yourself...religiously and worldly...my prophet pbuh was progressive who values eduction and development.
5. Stay away from shirk. Grave worshippers and darbar walahs etc..
6. When u talk of daleel as i said above...when the prophet pbuh completed your religion as he clearly states why do you add to it. Like adding to the azan...asalat tu aslam u...... and forcing a child at fajar to sing nasheed. Did the prophet do this.....daleel my friend daleel.

I agree...your religion be with you and mine with me.
Respect...i would even respect a kafirs religion and their places of worship as ordered by Allah but i will not bow to any grave and not stand by those that swear and say pur prophet did such and such and he is doing it for the love of tbe prophet. Frankly these are the khawarig and you need to question why you follow such people.

When people stop thinking....they always use two excusese..daleel and my mullah.

 

[Trango Towers]

jahils are created in Pakistan by this democracy the elected members in past 70yrs not took steps for educating public

Its not in their interest. If they educate the people then the people will reject them.
We cant blame the rulers....not i used the word rulers. They are from us. Allah sayd he will give you ruler as you are. If they are bad then they are a reflection of us

 

[Moon]

to change this culture western democracy should be ended in Pakistan as it is full of double standards

And I agree, Eastern problems cannot be solved with a Western solution. But know that because of a Western solution, Khadim Rizvi is alive today.
And for Western democracy to end, you need extremely good education; one which touches the very fabrics of the society and admonishes the concept of status quo parties and polarization of a society.

 

[Trango Towers]

And I agree, Eastern problems cannot be solved with a Western solution. But know that because of a Western solution, Khadim Rizvi is alive today.
And for Western democracy to end, you need extremely good education; one which touches the very fabrics of the society and admonishes the concept of status quo parties and polarization of a society.

Very well said

 

[313ghazi]

Mate my kind is this.

1. I am in no sect for out of the 73 all but one will go to hell.
2. I dont een say i am shia sunni etc....i am simply a muslim as was my prophet pbuh and the sahabas

Do you believe the appointment of Abu Bakr (RA) as the first Calipha was legitimate? Yes or No?
Do you follow any of the madhabs of fiqh, or you do personally do ijtihad on every aspect of the deen?

4. Learn and educate yourself...religiously and worldly...my prophet pbuh was progressive who values eduction and development.

Do you consider taqleed haram? Do you consider those who follow a madhab as incorrect? When you learn, do you use a teacher to do so, or do you do it all yourself?

5. Stay away from shirk. Grave worshippers and darbar walahs etc..

Have you ever met anyone who told you they consider a grave their God?
Have you ever met a Muslim who has said there is another God or an equal to God?

• If the answer to both of the above is no - how are you calling people grave worshippers and accusing people of shirk?

6. When u talk of daleel as i said above...when the prophet pbuh completed your religion as he clearly states why do you add to it. Like adding to the azan...asalat tu aslam u...... and forcing a child at fajar to sing nasheed. Did the prophet do this.....daleel my friend daleel.

Are any of the additions you mentioned fard, or even wajib? Do you accept any nafl type ibadat as acceptable? Do you reject the hadith related to bidah hasanah?

I agree...your religion be with you and mine with me.

You started the intolerance by labelling followers of Alhe sunnah as mushrik. I have not disrespected the deen by throwing the same slander back at my fellow Muslims. The fact is these allegations are unfounded in fact and unfair. You have your way, we have ours. There are centuries worth of academic works providing evidence of one way of thinking or the other, works written by men much greater than you or I in knowledge. You should accept there isn't ijma on the subject and stop your intolerance and slander.

Respect...i would even respect a kafirs religion and their places of worship as ordered by Allah but i will not bow to any grave and not stand by those that swear and say pur prophet did such and such and he is doing it for the love of tbe prophet. Frankly these are the khawarig and you need to question why you follow such people.

Lip service to respect, and then back to same old habits.