Lessons in hate and violence-undercover in a mainstream UK Muslim School

[Developereo]

OK I think I understand your point somewhat. They are just encouraging the people who are already bigots, to come out and be more vocal.

Whenever a minority ethnic person commits a crime, the bigots always shake their heads and say "there goes the X people again; why can't they control their people?"

The only difference is that they can't say it out loud for blacks/Chinese/latino etc. But they are encouraged to say it against Arabs or Muslims. The mainstream media and politicians do it, so why not the man in the street?

I wouldn't say it is hate mongering. It is more of an analysis of children's perception or what they are trained to think. These analysis are done not to promote hatred but to educate the children.

No, the video points out the racism being ingrained in the next generation through media stereotypes.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

See thats what i mean, the scale at which these"anti British" demonstrations goes on Britain, if anything like that happened in our societies, our people would react in a much worse violent way. This is the time for the mainstream Muslims to put an end on these radical Muslims. Cut the fundings to such institutions, and not sponsor the visa of such mullahs who have nothing else to preach but violence and hatred. Portraying yourself as a victim of islamophobia isn't going to help in my opinion.

I suppose I would agree with the fact that all sides share the blame, and thus share the responsibility of fixing the problem. Though I believe that Islamophobia is very dangerous and will most likely become a self-fulfilling prophecy if it continues to increase.

Us Indians are very similar in this regards. Fights are a big no no for our families. This time in a Basketball game I got involved in a free for all fist fight. Ended up with a black eye. Came back home got beaten up by mum for getting into a fight.

Good , such values will go a long way to increase social harmony.

I think this concept of "face" and "filial piety" (respect for family) is common to most Asian civilizations, although they don't call it "face" specifically?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The only difference is that they can't say it out loud for blacks/Chinese/latino etc. But they are encouraged to say it against Arabs or Muslims. The mainstream media and politicians do it, so why not the man in the street?

True, I have witnessed this.

Their excuse is usually that "Islam is not a race"... which I think is just a ridiculous cop-out.

 

[Developereo]

See thats what i mean, the scale at which these"anti British" demonstrations goes on Britain, if anything like that happened in our societies, our people would react in a much worse violent way. This is the time for the mainstream Muslims to put an end on these radical Muslims. Cut the fundings to such institutions, and not sponsor the visa of such mullahs who have nothing else to preach but violence and hatred. Portraying yourself as a victim of islamophobia isn't going to help in my opinion.

That is the classic definition of a bigot. You hold an entire community responsible for the actions of some criminals.

By your logic, 9/11 was justified because some Americans killed Muslims, so the guys in WTC had it coming because they also happen to be Americans.
Or the Gujarat pogrom by fanatical Hindu mobs was justified because some Muslims allegedly did some crime elsewhere.

Us Indians are very similar in this regards. Fights are a big no no for our families. This time in a Basketball game I got involved in a free for all fist fight. Ended up with a black eye. Came back home got beaten up by mum for getting into a fight.

Nonsense. Hindutva thugs terrorize minorities in India just like other thugs elsewhere.

 

[Roybot]

Good , such values will go a long way to increase social harmony.

I think this concept of "face" and "filial piety" (respect for family) is common to most Asian civilizations, although they don't call it "face" specifically?

We have a similar concept called "Maryada" which roughly means"(Sanskrit) A limit, boundary, line, border; by extension of meaning, the content or outline of the intrinsic moral law, including likewise ethics, or established customs or rules, and hence signifying rectitude. "

 

[Roybot]

Nonsense. Hindutva thugs terrorize minorities in India just like other thugs elsewhere.

Yeah well I wasn't talking about thugs. Even then the "Hindutva Thugs" aren't as violent. Agreed they do they have their savage moments.

 

[Developereo]

Every community has troublemakers. Just because there are Vietnamese gangs and Chinese triads and black drug dealers does not mean that the larger community is blamed as a collective.

It is interesting to see the Indians jumping on the Islamophobe bandwagon as usual, just because the Western media has legitimized it.

It makes it clear why independence in 1947 had to happen.

 

[jayron]

No, the video points out the racism being ingrained in the next generation through media stereotypes.

Yes. Why did they make that video? To prevent that stereotyping from happening.

 

[Roybot]

That is the classic definition of a bigot. You hold an entire community responsible for the actions of some criminals.

By your logic, 9/11 was justified because some Americans killed Muslims, so the guys in WTC had it coming because they also happen to be Americans.
Or the Gujarat pogrom by fanatical Hindu mobs was justified because some Muslims allegedly did some crime elsewhere.

.

Now you are twisting my arguments, this is what i said earlier, I for one am not blaming the whole community.

Point is these Muslim radicals are bringing out the worst of the Western people. The closet racists and bigots, who have been suppressed by the voice of the saner majority, now have an agenda to incite the other "multiculturists" against Muslims. And thats exactly what is happening.

 

[Roybot]

Every community has troublemakers. Just because there are Vietnamese gangs and Chinese triads and black drug dealers does not mean that the larger community is blamed as a collective.

This is not a gang we are talking about here. The whole new generation is being poisoned with hatred towards their host country and basically anyone who is even slightly different from them. This will have a much worse effect on our societies than say a Vietnamese gangs and Chinese triads.

It is interesting to see the Indians jumping on the Islamophobe bandwagon as usual, just because the Western media has legitimized it.

It makes it clear why independence in 1947 had to happen.

Looks like you are just biased against Indians. Give me a single justification for the running of schools such as the one in the video? It surely isn't a retaliation to Islamophobia is it?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

This will have a much worse effect on our societies than say a Vietnamese gangs and Chinese triads.

Are Chinese triads still a problem nowadays?

Hong Kong itself (where a lot of them originated, lol) currently has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

Would be weird and annoying if they are still causing problems overseas. Loss of face.

 

[fallstuff]

I haven't seen anything in those videos that I don't see on different Christian TV networks. In the 90's the networks used to broadcast how the UN was going to take over America. Then the next target was EU, how the formation of EU is the precursor to Rupture.

In one of the videos, an older man sort of kicks two little boys. I say charge the guy with assault on a minor. If guilty send his a** to jail. I can't find anything else that is criminal on that video.

 

[fallstuff]

Yes. Why did they make that video? To prevent that stereotyping from happening.

Its sensational, it sells very well, TOI India stuff.

 

[fallstuff]

See thats what i mean, the scale at which these"anti British" demonstrations goes on Britain, if anything like that happened in our societies, our people would react in a much worse violent way. This is the time for the mainstream Muslims to put an end on these radical Muslims. Cut the fundings to such institutions, and not sponsor the visa of such mullahs who have nothing else to preach but violence and hatred. Portraying yourself as a victim of islamophobia isn't going to help in my opinion.




Us Indians are very similar in this regards. Fights are a big no no for our families. This time in a Basketball game I got involved in a free for all fist fight. Ended up with a black eye. Came back home got beaten up by mum for getting into a fight.

If they protest like that, you are gonna slaughter them, like they did before. No justice would be served. Everyone would be fine cause those people asked for it. After all its India. When you are in the majority, you get away slaughtering thousands.

 

[Developereo]

This is not a gang we are talking about here. The whole new generation is being poisoned with hatred towards their host country and basically anyone who is even slightly different from them. This will have a much worse effect on our societies than say a Vietnamese gangs and Chinese triads.

A whole generation? Let's not exaggerate here. Students in these particular classes will be poisoned, and I have already said the teachers and parents need to address this.

Compare that to the video I posted, which shows the hatred being ingrained literally throughout the whole generation and throughout the world. This anti-Arab, anti-Muslim hatred isn't being preached in select classrooms, but in mainstream American media which dominates the globe.

Looks like you are just biased against Indians. Give me a single justification for the running of schools such as the one in the video? It surely isn't a retaliation to Islamophobia is it?

I have nothing against Indians per se; I am biased against anyone who justifies Islamophobia.

Let me put it this way:
- when a black supremacist group does something, people don't say "there go the blacks. Racism is an understandable reaction to the blacks' inaction"
- when abortion clinics get bombed, people don't say "there go the Christians. Christ-bashing is an understandable reaction to the Christians' inaction"
- when Zionists call for killing Arab 'pigs', people (at least reasonable people) don't say "there go the Jews. Anti-semitism is an understandable reaction to the Jews' inaction".

All these groups justify their actions baased on religion or race, but the larger community is not demonized. Why the difference for Muslim extremists?