Lessons from Saudi Arabia

[GumNaam]

So, are you well versed with Quaran, Hadith and Sunnah ?

Quran: Yes (Ahumdulillah), hadith:yes - only the ones that are conform to the Quran and agree with the well known sunnah and sunnah:yes to the well known sunnah that has been practiced for centuries by the millions

it is NOT that hard.

Go ahead, quiz me.

 

[Psychic]

They were....DPRK still is. Satellite evidence of the mass concentration/labour camps....even North Korea's backers admit they are there.

North Koreans are something like 3 inches shorter than South Korean counterparts (i.e ethnic counterparts) because of their long term malnutrition due to forced socialism (i.e Communism)....defections happen massively one-way only for a reason.

After the collapse of the godless empire, most of the Marxists converted to liberals, I am surprised why our friend Jamahir still lives in the past....After Marxism, liberalism is their new "religion".

Quran: Yes (Ahumdulillah), hadith:yes - only the ones that are conform to the Quran and agree with the well known sunnah and sunnah:yes to the well known sunnah that has been practiced for centuries by the millions

I do not think so.

 

[GumNaam]

After the collapse of the godless empire, most of the Marxists converted to liberals, I am surprised why our friend Jamahir still lives in the past....


I do not think so.

suit yourself, I offered.

by the way, the gentleman in your profile pic...may wanna read up on what he had to say about these "2 rakat kay muftis and molvis".

 

[Psychic]

by the way, the gentleman in your profile pic...may wanna read up on what he had to say about these "2 rakat kay muftis and molvis".

You think I am a molvi worshiper?

 

[GumNaam]

You think I am a molvi worshiper?

Did I say that?

 

[Psychic]

Did I say that?

That was what you implied in your post.

 

[GumNaam]

That was what you implied in your post.

this came across as a rhetorical question that most diehard molvi/mufti followers try to ask of anyone who dares to use his own knowledge of Quran and sunnah and then belittle them. Therefore it implied that you are a molvi follower.

 

[Psychic]

In that case, the USSR and DPRK should have been the den of misdeeds and evil.

But do you know that in the USSR, murder was considered a capitalist crime, because why would someone in a socialist society commit murder??

USSR which is being worshipped by you converted mosques into pig-pens. Millions of Christians and Muslims were deported to Siberia.
Millions killed by Stalin and millions of others sent to Gulags. No personal freedom whatsoever except for freedom of perversion.
But all of that is probably halal in your brand of Islam in which women wearing miniskirts should be a role model for Muslim women. @Desert Fox @Nilgiri

Musst be capalist propaganda. The great peaceful socialist society couldn't have done any of that (!)

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this came across as a rhetorical question that most diehard molvi/mufti followers try to ask of anyone who dares to use his own knowledge of Quran and sunnah and then belittle them. Therefore it implied that you are a molvi follower.

Muftis do posess knowledge of quran, that is why I asked.
There was a dude who posted that according to his understanding of Quran and sunnah alcohol is halal. When we have these types of self-declared experts of Quran and hadith we have fatwas like alcohol is O.K, homo-sexuality is O.K, not covering head for the woman is O.K etc etc. Islam is not about what you like or don't. You don't like hijab fine, but to say that since I don't like it, I'll find an excuse like the verse ain't clear or something else .....

 

[prashantazazel]

Bangladesh should learn from the mistakes in India.

According to my extended family members, twenty years ago, there was no or negligible burqa wearer in my family. This was also the truth in general society. But since the increased presence of the Tableeghi Jamaat, there has been a high percentage of burqa wearers in India. Also, the attacks in Bangladesh on intellectuals are indications that Bangladesh is seeing a shift to the worse.

Bangladesh should ban the Tableeghi Jamaat.

@Jf Thunder

As more and more youngsters join the organised side of the workforce, I see the presence of Burqa decreasing in new city areas.
Only the ghettos and old city areas have increasing religious influence.

 

[GumNaam]

USSR which is being worshipped by you converted mosques into pig-pens. Millions of Christians and Muslims were deported to Siberia.
Millions killed by Stalin and millions of others sent to Gulags. No personal freedom whatsoever except for freedom of perversion.
But all of that is probably halal in your brand of Islam in which women wearing miniskirts should be a role model for Muslim women. @Desert Fox @Nilgiri
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Musst be capalist propaganda. The great peaceful socialist society couldn't have done any of that (!)


Muftis do posess knowledge of quran, that is why I asked.
There was a dude who posted that according to his understanding of Quran and sunnah alcohol is halal. When we have these types of self-declared experts of Quran and hadith we have fatwas like alcohol is O.K, homo-sexuality is O.K, not covering head for the woman is O.K etc etc. Islam is not about what you like or don't. You don't like hijab fine, but to say that since I don't like it, I'll find an excuse like the verse ain't clear or something else .....

So the bottom line is that it all boils down to intentions. You you can call the people who would rather study Islam on their own as "self proclaimed" muftis all you want you cannot dispute the fact the same issue of declaring haram as halal also exists in the world on muftis and molvis. You can't deny these same muftis and molvis who have a thing for young underage girls will use the same Qur'an and sunnah and hadith to justify child marriage. You can't deny these same muftis and molvis who have a thing for having free slaves will use the same Qur'an and sunnah and hadith to justify slavery as halal. end of the day, IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO INTENTIONS! Do NOT forget what Allah says, if one has the intention of being properly guided then Allah will provide the proper guidance and if one has the intention of going on the wrong path then Allah will misguide using the same Quran, sunnah and hadith or other ways.

Freedom of choice can be such a curse...for we WILL ultimately get whatever our intentions drive us to get. Fix your intentions first!

 

[Psychic]

Do NOT forget what Allah says, if one has the intention of being properly guided then Allah will provide the proper guidance and if one has the intention of going on the wrong path then Allah will misguide using the same Quran, sunnah and hadith or other ways.

Those who cherry pick from the Quran without studying the entirety of the deen are bound to be misguided. It is clear now that the same Quran and Hadith has misguided many who think that alcohol and an uncovered female head is allowed by Allah SWT.

You can't deny these same muftis and molvis who have a thing for young underage girls will use the same Qur'an and sunnah and hadith to justify child marriage.

What was the age of Amma Ayesha R.A when she was married?
I rest my case here since you seem to have no knowledge of Islam(or even history and cultures) yet proclaim yourself as knowledgeable. As this is not primarily a religious forum so I will refrain from discussing any of that any further.

 

[GumNaam]

Those who cherry pick from the Quran without studying the entirety of the deen are bound to be misguided. It is clear now that the same Quran and Hadith has misguided many who think that alcohol and an uncovered female head is allowed by Allah SWT.

What was the age of Amma Ayesha R.A when she was married?
I rest my case here since you seem to have no knowledge of Islam(or even history and cultures) yet proclaim yourself as knowledgeable. As this is not primarily a religious forum so I will refrain from discussing any of that any further.

Oh no, you do not get off so that easily. And I do not cherry pick from The Qur'an and sunnah and am very well aware of the fact CONTEXT HOLDS A LOT OF MEANING! The age of bibi Aisha RA is based on a hadith from a sahabi who made the claim of having heard the age of 5 when he had moved to Iraq in a very old age where he had developed a reputation for forgetting things due to his old age. That should give you a pretty good indication of what I know. Having said that, no mufti or molvi will ever tell the masses how weak the ahadith about her age are, obviously because they have some really sick intentions.

Now just answer a simple question for me...since the Qur'an clearly orders us to firmly hold on to His rope (The Quran and sunnah) so that we don't fall apart in sects and since you know for a fact that every single mufti and molvi is tied to some sect, do you think that muftis and molvis are firmly holding on to Allah's rope of The Qur'an and sunnah?

I look forward to your answer.

 

[Desert Fox]

So the bottom line is that it all boils down to intentions. You you can call the people who would rather study Islam on their own as "self proclaimed" muftis all you want you cannot dispute the fact the same issue of declaring haram as halal also exists in the world on muftis and molvis. You can't deny these same muftis and molvis who have a thing for young underage girls will use the same Qur'an and sunnah and hadith to justify child marriage. You can't deny these same muftis and molvis who have a thing for having free slaves will use the same Qur'an and sunnah and hadith to justify slavery as halal. end of the day, IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO INTENTIONS! Do NOT forget what Allah says, if one has the intention of being properly guided then Allah will provide the proper guidance and if one has the intention of going on the wrong path then Allah will misguide using the same Quran, sunnah and hadith or other ways.

Freedom of choice can be such a curse...for we WILL ultimately get whatever our intentions drive us to get. Fix your intentions first!

This is a silly post for a few reasons:

You are dismissing teachings and traditions which are based on centuries of wisdom grounded in Islamic principles and examples of the lives of some of the best people to walk on this Earth, you are dismissing all of this because you happen to cherry pick a bad example of some "Mullah" molesting children?

Are you really that dense so as to confuse Islam and the wisdom behind it's teachings and traditions with the criminal behavior of some individuals?

Do you also apply the same logic to other subjects and teachings?

"Whoops, Isaac Newton molested children, therefore theory of gravity is wrong and now gravity does not exist"

Secondly, no, one cannot simply become a self proclaimed scholar or mufti. Although it is allowed for the individual Muslim to make decisions according to his/her best interests in a personal matter/circumstances when religious consultation is not feasible, but when the advice of great scholars and learned men is available you are not allowed to proclaim decisions as halal which contradict their collective rulings which they have come to agree on based on years of experience and wisdom through dedicating their lives to the study of every minute detail of Islamic holy scriptures and texts.

 

[Psychic]

Oh no, you do not get off so that easily. And I do not cherry pick from The Qur'an and sunnah and am very well aware of the fact CONTEXT HOLDS A LOT OF MEANING! The age of bibi Aisha RA is based on a hadith from a sahabi who made the claim of having heard the age of 5 when he had moved to Iraq in a very old age where he had developed a reputation for forgetting things due to his old age. That should give you a pretty good indication of what I know. Having said that, no mufti or molvi will ever tell the masses how weak the ahadith about her age are, obviously because they have some really sick intentions.

Now just answer a simple question for me...since the Qur'an clearly orders us to firmly hold on to His rope (The Quran and sunnah) so that we don't fall apart in sects and since you know for a fact that every single mufti and molvi is tied to some sect, do you think that muftis and molvis are firmly holding on to Allah's rope of The Qur'an and sunnah?

I look forward to your answer.

@Desert Fox @Nilgiri
Don't beat around the bush. Maybe USA is also run by muftis who have a thing for little girls, since the legal age for marriage is 14 years ! (in many states). Again you are an ignorant in the matters of faith as you pick and choose what you like instead of accepting the whole package. I don't have a thing for little girls, I am attracted towards mature women yet I am not the one doing cherry picking here.
And what you call sick is sick as per your standards. I started developing feelings for women(reached puberty) when I was 12 or 13. Girls mature earlier than boys. The age of marriage in Islam is not 16 or 18 or 40, it depends on the following:
1- Reaching age of puberty
2- Ready for intercourse
3- Consent
4- Law of the land
Now do yourself a favour and ask your elders what used to be the age of marriage in older times? People were married off at young ages and it was considered a norm. You might think that 12 is too young but 14 is O.K, but you have no right to judge people of other cultures by your moral yardstick.

The age of bibi Aisha RA is based on a hadith from a sahabi who made the claim of having heard the age of 5 when he had moved to Iraq in a very old age where he had developed a reputation for forgetting things due to his old age. That should give you a pretty good indication of what I know.

Yeah a pretty good indication indeed
The age was never 5. It was 6 at time of Nikkah, it was 9 when she went with our Prophet SAW and according to some traditions it was 14 when she went with him(P.B.U.H). She had reached the age of puberty by the time she left her father(R.A)'s home. It was consensual and everybody was happy. The vast majority of the hadith are quoted by Ayesha R.A, whom the enemies of Islam say was a victim of .......

Now just answer a simple question for me...since the Qur'an clearly orders us to firmly hold on to His rope (The Quran and sunnah) so that we don't fall apart in sects and since you know for a fact that every single mufti and molvi is tied to some sect, do you think that muftis and molvis are firmly holding on to Allah's rope of The Qur'an and sunnah?

If you consider the molvi in the alley of your mohalla as a Mufti then may God have mercy on you. When Muftis do a wrong thing I criticize them. When they are telling something from the Quran, I don't reject it just because it came from a molvi.

 

[Desert Fox]

But do you know that in the USSR, murder was considered a capitalist crime, because why would someone in a socialist society commit murder??

Really? Than why wasn't Stalin imprisoned?