Lasting lesson of 1962: don’t be caught off-guard again

[Gandhi G in da house]

You guys are no saints either. Kashmir, Sikkim, Hyderabad,judanagar. Does these names ring a bell
At least chinese didn't deploy 700000 soldiers in a occupied area like Kashmir to suppress the
aspiration of Kashmiris. China don't sponsor insurgents like India does to instigate political &
economic instability in her neighborhood. You saying as if you guys are saints and the whole
world is out to get you.

Junaragh , hyderabad , sikkim have always been happy with and contented with their Indian status .

What outsiders like you say does not matter .

Kashmir is still a debatable issue .

don't go offtopic

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Zapak news mentions that it was some Indian scholar in Beijing not CPC official.

It was Ma Jiali , this guy

Ma Jiali is a research fellow at the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations.

All these research institutes or think tanks are basically CPC associated and i don't think they can advocate anything against the CPC wishes .

anyways , this is not the only guy ,

Another person Wang Dehua said this ,

"If India gives Tawang to China and recognises Aksai Chin (which is already in Chinese possession after getting it from Pakistan) as Chinese territory, then India will gain 83,000 square km of territory in return for 41,000 sq km!"

Professor Wang Dehua, director, Centre for South Asia Studies at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences.


'Indo-China partnership is good news for world' - Rediff.com India News

Another one ,

Buddhist Channel | Buddhism News, Headlines | China | India should return Tawang to China: Chinese scholars

Speaking at the first-ever seminar on the 1962 India-China war and the boundary issue, held ahead of Chinese President Hu Jintao's maiden state visit to India from November 20, prominent Chinese scholars on South Asia voiced their firm support for Beijing's stand that India should return Tawang to China as part of the final settlement.

All these Chinese scholars as i said are associated with CPC sponsored think tanks and wont say something without the backing of the CPC .

Chinese claim entire Arunachal as a negotiating tactic so that after grabbing Tawang district they can still come off looking as benevolent by showing that they left their claim to rest of Arunachal.

It is similar to their dispute with Tajikistan in which they accepted only 5 % of the land they claimed from Tajiks and also their absurd claims to the south China sea .

They claim a lot right from the very beginning , even if the claim makes no sense . That is their strategy .

 

[illusion8]

They are better than INDIA in all possible counts and that's what matters the most. The chinese
wins the heart and minds of people and that's how they build relations and influence other countries.
The chinese follow a more moral and realistic way.

OK if you say so, but how do you measure who is better and who is not? some people hate China and some people hate India, so how do you measure hatred. Your perception is u hate India. I don't hate Bangladesh but I hate BDians who hate India. Any given country might hate India or might hate China. So do we take a numerical count of countries that hate each of us. Who do you think will be the bigger hated country?

 

[Ajaxpaul]

They are better than INDIA in all possible counts and that's what matters the most. The chinese
wins the heart and minds of people and that's how they build relations and influence other countries.
The chinese follow a more moral and realistic way.

Tell that to the vietnamese and philipinos...how china won their hearts. Sorry i meant shoot at their hearts.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Tibet was not part of China, But India accepted that Tibet is part of China.

This was the biggest blunders of Indian foreign policy.

Regret...what could India has done at that time?...your country got your independant and united just several years before PLA purged those tibetan slave owners, After centuries of pillage by Invaders, it left nothing for India and Indian people beside mess and Chaos, your nation was by definition unstable at that time...you wouldn't dare to put your noise on China's business.

If Neru dare to mess with Tibet...you can be sure that your countries would be have been balkanized as well...we fouht UN force in Korea to keep U.S away from our boundary...we certainly had the capability to balkaize India and support other faction seeking independance from India

Neru's gorvernment perfectly understood that...

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Tell that to the vietnamese and philipinos...how china won their hearts. Sorry i meant shoot at their hearts.

That's classic...use China's haters as example to show how china should win their hearts & Minds...seems that you forgot to include Japan ...but nevermind..we will win Indian's hearts and mind with Tibet water...or else

 

[Ajaxpaul]

That's classic...use China's haters as example to show how china should win their hearts & Minds...seems that you forgot to include Japan ...but nevermind..we will win Indian's hearts and mind with Tibet water...or else

No i did not forget japan....it was a tragedy what happened...i am not so insecure to use it everytime.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

No i did not forget japan....it was a tragedy what happened...i am not so insecure to use it everytime.

Insecure or not...we chinese get used wiht that...use Japan for 10 times of Zillions times won't make difference...we've payed a price for been weak...that's a lesson marked in our historical book...for future generations.

and if you insinualte that I'm insecure to use water every time against India...than you're right...I'm so insecure to let water free flow to India...wihtout get anything in exchange...
but this will change in future...can't keep continuing like this.

 

[peep]

Insecure or not...we chinese get used wiht that...use Japan for 10 times of Zillions times won't make difference...we've payed a price for been weak...that's a lesson marked in our historical book...for future generations.

and if you insinualte that I'm insecure to use water every time against India...than you're right...I'm so insecure to let water free flow to India...wihtout get anything in exchange...
but this will change in future...can't keep continuing like this.

This guy is a classic case of misprogrammed bot.
Can only talk of :

1. 1962
2. Diverting water flow away from India/Vietnam

His mind/CPU cannot take the load of talking anything else.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

This guy is a classic case of misprogrammed bot.
Can only talk of :

1. 1962
2. Diverting water flow away from India/Vietnam

His mind/CPU cannot take the load of talking anything else.

Under estimate the power of water will be at your own peril...and 1962 is a benchmark and reference to remind India than "Indi CHini Bla bla" is useless when come to National interest.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Insecure or not...we chinese get used wiht that...use Japan for 10 times of Zillions times won't make difference...we've payed a price for been weak...that's a lesson marked in our historical book...for future generations.

and if you insinualte that I'm insecure to use water every time against India...than you're right...I'm so insecure to let water free flow to India...wihtout get anything in exchange...
but this will change in future...can't keep continuing like this.

About time...take a break and then talk sense.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Under estimate the power of water will be at your own peril...and 1962 is a benchmark and reference to remind India than "Indi CHini Bla bla" is useless when come to National interest.

The amount of water that flows from China to India is minuscule for India . Bangladesh should be more worried should you chose to divert the Brahmaputra .

About 1962 , yeah we know it is one of the few proud things in Chinese contemporary history so you keep reminding yourself and us about it to help you feel superior . But the thing is it is a tale 50 years too old .

Talking about it again and again doesn't serve any cause than make yourself look like a joke .

 

[peep]

Under estimate the power of water will be at your own peril...and 1962 is a benchmark and reference to remind India than "Indi CHini Bla bla" is useless when come to National interest.

What did i say... ? Wasn't I correct

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

About time...take a break and then talk sense.

If we take a break on letting water flow into India...you Indian will talk sense for sure.

The amount of water that flows from China to India is minuscule for India . Bangladesh should be more worried should you chose to divert the Brahmaputra .

About 1962 , yeah we know it is one of the few proud things in Chinese contemporary history so you keep reminding yourself and us about it to help you feel superior . But the thing is it is a tale 50 years too old .

Talking about it again and again doesn't serve any cause than make yourself look like a joke .

Sure you can claim that water won't affect you much but your gorverment reacted otherwise...kept constantly asking about water diversion and request water hydro-data of water flow

As for 1962...I have never claim to be at great joy or trumpeting the glory of that skirmish...nor I have never feel superiror of that event, I brought 1962 up it's because that was the turning point of Indo-China relation which set at the lowest point in the history and animosity and nationalism of each side started from there.

If it's not because of 1962 event...I'm pretty sure less Indians hate us...so it's pretty obvious that you guys want to erase 1962's...xxxx and still consider to be victime of Chinese backstabbing

...and nowaday that's how your nation secury and arm bult up is about...to avoid another 1962 or prevent 1962 to be happened again...so either you like or not 1962 will be a starting point over and over again of any future subjects relate to Indo-China...especially for pissing contest.

What did i say... ? Wasn't I correct

Sure you're such predictable ..you should be proud of yourself

 

[peep]

Sure you're such predictable ..you should be proud of yourself

talking of predictability...

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