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As there is a very popular thread running on the forum about India's "subversive" role in Afghanistan, I have always wondered about the konduz airlift also dubbed as the airlift of evil.

It refers to the evacuation of thousands of top commanders and members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda as well as Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agents and army personnel, and other ****** volunteers and sympathizers, from the city of Kunduz, Afghanistan, in November 2001 just before its capture by U.S. and United Front of Afghanistan (Northern Alliance) forces during the War in Afghanistan. As described in several reports, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda combatants were safely evacuated from Kunduz and airlifted by Pakistan Army cargo aircraft to Pakistan Air Force bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan's Northern Areas

Most of the members here on the forum have a very firm rhetoric that Taliban was afghan phenomenon and are very quick to distance themselves from the atrocities committed by the regime.

Why did Pakistan Airlift Taliban and AQ leadership out of Konduz????
 
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and your source is???????
 
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Nice joke...Airlifting tens of thousands Taliban by Pakistan army in a day...:lol: or :azn:
 
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and your source is???????

another popular rhetoric: is sources like MSNBC, CNN, BBC, LA times all are western controlled media that cannot be trusted unless the claim is something like air victory of pakistan over India.

everything else like ISI's connections with taliban; haqqani network, LET, etc is fictitious.

@safriz : use google, look up airlift of evil, if looking up wikipedia look up the references; if looking up the references, go ahead and check the credibility of the reporters.
 
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I never knew of this incident. Just read the whole thing on Wikipedia. No wonder, Pakistan is chastised and abhorred by rest of the world. And Osama being found in Pakistan just adds fuel to the fire. Pakistan will have to take concrete steps against the thugs if it wants to regain the trust of the civilized world, otherwise seeing light at the end of the dark tunnel will only be a distant dream.
 
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Nice joke...Airlifting tens of thousands Taliban by Pakistan army in a day...:lol: or :azn:

Two planes were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights. They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan's Northern Areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and Al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes.


comprehension problems??
 
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The valuable assets were lifted- that may include some talibans- and later on sold to amrika for dollars-:pakistan:-
 
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And as usual attacking western source, attack the existence of the event, no answers on airlift of evil.

The valuable assets were lifted- that may include some talibans- and later on sold to amrika for dollars-:pakistan:-

When members here are very quick to distance themselves from taliban and their actions, why airlift them???
 
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Two planes were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights. They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan's Northern Areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and Al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes.


comprehension problems??



Before attack was Afghanistan controlled by these one thousand people.Are you high or what?? if its only ISI officers than i agree but with two planes...:lol::lol:
 
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What on earth is this?

Do you know what the taliban before 2001 were?
I think if we did airlift taliban to Pakistan we did the right thing.

The taliban of that time were not meant to be the enemy. They had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11. The US was evil, instead of a war of reconciliation, we got a war of revenge.

What sealed the deal was when Mr Texas Ranger said 'you are either with us or against us'.

Remember that the Taliban were willing to hand over Osama as long as it was through a second nation. The US refused, bombed al-qaeda, taliban and civilians alike. Indiscriminately.

Now tell me, who is the bad guy?
 
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The Airlift of Evil

By Michael Moran
MSNBC
NEW YORK, Nov. 29, 2001 — The United States took the unprecedented step this week of demanding that foreign airlines provide information on passengers boarding planes for America. Yet in the past week, a half dozen or more Pakistani air force cargo planes landed in the Taliban-held city of Kunduz and evacuated to Pakistan hundreds of non-Afghan soldiers who fought alongside the Taliban and even al-Qaida against the United States. What’s wrong with this picture?
THE PENTAGON, whose satellites and drones are able to detect sleeping guerrillas in subterranean caverns, claims it knows nothing of these flights. When asked about the mysterious airlift at a recent Pentagon briefing, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, denied knowledge of such flights. Myers backpedaled a bit, saying that, given the severe geography of the country, it might be possible to duck in and out of mountain valleys and conduct such an airlift undetected.
But Rumsfeld intervened. With his talent for being blunt and ambiguous at the same time, he said: “I have received absolutely no information that would verify or validate statements about airplanes moving in or out. I doubt them.”
SEE NO EVIL
Western reporters actually in Kunduz in the days after it fell this week found much to dispel that doubt. Reports first appeared in the Indian press, quoting intelligence sources who cited unusual radar contacts and an airlift of Pakistani troops out of the city. Their presence among the “enemy” may shock some readers, but not those who have paid attention to Afghanistan. Pakistan had hundreds of military advisers in Afghanistan before Sept. 11 helping the Taliban fight the Northern Alliance. Hundreds more former soldiers actively joined Taliban regiments, and many Pakistani volunteers were among the non-Afghan legions of al-Qaida.
Last Saturday, The New York Times picked up the scent, quoting Northern Alliance soldiers in a Page 1 story describing a two-day airlift by Pakistani aircraft, complete with witnesses describing groups of armed men awaiting evacuation at the airfield, then still in Taliban hands.
Another report, this in the Times of London, quotes an alliance soldier angrily denouncing the flights, which he reasonably assumed were conducted with America’s blessing.
“We had decided to kill all of them, and we are not happy with America for letting the planes come,” said the soldier, Mahmud Shah.
IN DENIAL
The credibility gap between these reports from the field and the “no comments” from the U.S. administration are large enough to drive a Marine Expeditionary Unit through. Calls by MSNBC.com and NBC News to U.S. military and intelligence officials shed no light on the evacuation reports, though they clearly were a hot topic of conversation. “Oh, you mean ‘Operation Evil Airlift’?” one military source joked. “Look, I can’t confirm anything about those reports. As far as I know, they just aren’t happening.” Three other military and defense sources simply denied any knowledge.
Something is up. It certainly appears to any reasonable observer that aircraft of some kind or another were taking off and landing in Kunduz’s final hours in Taliban hands. Among the many questions that grow out of this reality:
Was the passenger manifest on these aircraft limited to Pakistani military and intelligence men, or did it include some of the more prominent zealots Pakistan contributed to the ranks of the Taliban and al-Qaida?
What kind of deal was struck between the United States and Pakistan to allow this?
What safeguards did the United States demand to ensure the evacuated Pakistanis did not include men who will come back to haunt us?
What was done with the civilian volunteers once they arrived home in Pakistan? Where they arrested? Debriefed? Taken to safe houses? Or a state banquet?
WHY NOT ADMIT IT
The answers remain elusive. If the passengers were simply Pakistani military and intelligence men, and not civilian extremists, what possible motive is there for concealing the truth about their evacuation? Pakistan may believe that no one has noticed the warmth of its intelligence ties to the Taliban and even al-Qaida, but surely the Pentagon isn’t operating under this illusion, is it? This news organization has quoted U.S. intelligence sources as far back as 1997 as saying that ties between Pakistan’s intelligence service and al-Qaida, and links to the Taliban — a movement nurtured by Pakistan — are undeniable.
Furthermore, the United States can easily explain why it would have allowed a military ruler under intense pressure at home to adopt an unpopular pro-American stance in this war to evacuate some elite intelligence and military forces from a chaotic battlefield. But only if, in fact, the planes were limited to evacuating those people.
The lack of a forthright answer to this question suggests otherwise, and that is a great shame. The history of American policy in Southwest Asia, from the shah of Iran to Saddam Hussein to Afghanistan and Pakistan, is marred by one example after another of short-term decisions that stored up enormous trouble for later. We failed for decades to find common ground with the world’s largest democracy, India. We failed to temper the shah’s domestic abuses in Iran in the name of anti-communism and wound up with the ayatollahs. We decided not to rile our Gulf War coalition allies by pushing onto to Baghdad and find ourselves a decade later wondering how to deal with Saddam Hussein. We pumped Afghanistan and Pakistan with billions of dollars worth of weapons and military know-how to fight the Soviet invasion, but then adopted the Pontius Pilate approach in victory, washing our hands of these struggling nations as soon as Moscow withdrew.
Now, are we careening down the same road with a nuclear-armed Pakistan? Are we allowing an army of anti-American zealots to live and fight another day for the sake of our convenient marriage with Pakistan’s current dictator? I wish I could quote Rumsfeld. I wish I could say “I doubt it.” I can’t.
 
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What on earth is this?

Do you know what the taliban before 2001 were?
I think if we did airlift taliban to Pakistan we did the right thing.

The taliban of that time were not meant to be the enemy. They had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11. The US was evil, instead of a war of reconciliation, we got a war of revenge.

What sealed the deal was when Mr Texas Ranger said 'you are either with us or against us'.

This is very interesting;

When Konduz was about to fall; pakistan air lifts taliban, al queda and ISI operatives, and you term it to be the right thing to do.

This is the same taliban infamous for their heinous regime which destroyed the afghanistan; indulged in religious extremism; genocide of minorities like the hazaras tajiks and uzbeks. And you say airlifting them when they were on the verge of the defeat "it was the right thing to do".

@jungibaaz;

As far as the texas ranger, your respected ex-president/coas on record says, that fighting against taliban was in the interest of Pakistan. During the war and after it he was not overthrown, hence most of your country was onboard. So please dont try to go on the arm twisting by US rhetoric
 
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