Kazakh Khanate and the enslave of Russians

[sahaliyan]

Tendency to reduce the number of Chinese can be changed for 1-2 generations, if such a need appear. Recently, there were almost no Chinese in Xinjiang, now they are becoming majority. And it is normal fact.
Kazakhstan - Russia's closest ally. Russia and Kazakhstan have common air defense system in the near future borders between states disappear. Integration of the Eurasian Union will be much more intense than that of the European Union, due to the general Soviet and Imperial past.

The low birth rate in China due to the urbanization,the low birth rate of Beijing,Shanghai and other large cities can't changed in even 50 years,because many reasons,I think you don't understand the economic with the birth rate issue here. ,this is actually a global issue,if we look at Malaysia and Singapore,the Chinese actually have the lowest birth rate among all the ethnic groups
And for Xinjiang
From 1949-2000,the Uyghurs population increased from 3.29 million to 8.35 million(increased 1.5 times),the Kazakh population from 0.44 million to 1.25 million(increased 1.8 times),the Kyrghiz population from 70000 to 170000(increased 1.4 times),and for the Han population(from 0.29 million to 7.49 million),the major times the Han moving into Xinjiang before 1980s,after the 1980s,the situation changed,before 1980s,the major population of China still agriculturist,so the birth rate high
And we look at the whole Chinese population,from 541.67 million to 1267.43 million(increased 1.3 times)
And in 2010 data,the Uyghur population increased to 10.07 million,the Han population of Xinjiang is 8.75 million,the Uyghurs are still majority in Xinjiang,but they always lived in the southern part of Xinjiang,if you know the history,you will know the northern Xinjiang is Jungaria

 

[vostok]

@vostok

Keep lie to yourself. The President was elected on the legitimate elections with program to return the status of the Russian language and closer to Russia. When Yanuckovich began to implement his program West has made a coup in response to prevent the strengthening of Russia and Ukraine.

 

[vostok]

The low birth rate in China due to the urbanization,the low birth rate of Beijing,Shanghai and other large cities can't changed in even 50 years,because many reasons,I think you don't understand the economic with the birth rate issue here. ,this is actually a global issue,if we look at Malaysia and Singapore,the Chinese actually have the lowest birth rate among all the ethnic groups
And for Xinjiang
From 1949-2000,the Uyghurs population increased from 3.29 million to 8.35 million(increased 1.5 times),the Kazakh population from 0.44 million to 1.25 million(increased 1.8 times),the Kyrghiz population from 70000 to 170000(increased 1.4 times),and for the Han population(from 0.29 million to 7.49 million),the major times the Han moving into Xinjiang before 1980s,after the 1980s,the situation changed,before 1980s,the major population of China still agriculturist,so the birth rate high
And we look at the whole Chinese population,from 541.67 million to 1267.43 million(increased 1.3 times)
And in 2010 data,the Uyghur population increased to 10.07 million,the Han population of Xinjiang is 8.75 million,the Uyghurs are still majority in Xinjiang,but they always lived in the southern part of Xinjiang,if you know the history,you will know the northern Xinjiang is Jungaria

After the Second World War in Xinjiang were almost no Han, now they account almost half of the population. There is no doubt that in the case of strengthening of anti-Chinese sentiments (sponsored by the West), China will take measures.
China, even in the case of a reduction of the population can afford to settle new territory at the expense of a significant rural population. Find 20 million for the development of a territory - not a problem if the country has state capitalism and hihgly centralized state apparatus, such as KPK.
In a short time, when the development of the industry will destroy a lot of jobs in the cities of China - the most logical, to direct these millions on the development of territories.

 

[sahaliyan]

After the Second World War in Xinjiang were almost no Han, now they account almost half of the population. There is no doubt that in the case of strengthening of anti-Chinese sentiments (sponsored by the West), China will take measures.
China, even in the case of a reduction of the population can afford to settle new territory at the expense of a significant rural population. Find 20 million for the development of a territory - not a problem if the country has state capitalism and hihgly centralized state apparatus, such as KPK.
In a short time, when the development of the industry will destroy a lot of jobs in the cities of China - the most logical, to direct these millions on the development of territories.

I already said the Han population from Xinjiang mostly moved there before 1980s,in an agaricultural society,the birth rate will be high,you already can see,from 2000-2010,the Han population of Xinjiang just has a natural increase,and lower than the Uyghur increase,with the higher birth rate,the Uyghurs will make up more % of the population
in my homeland Liaoning,the population already became decline,the birth rate of northeast China is extreme low,also the population like to move into Beijing,Shanghai and Guangzhou,those large cities,because they can earn more in those large cities,you can see now I'm living in Beijing,that's the case of most people,the central and west China population also migrated large numbers to the coastal China,it's a natural thing,and you can't understand

 

[vostok]

The Soviet Union became an industrial power in 10 years, from 1929 to 1939. Although from the economic point of view, it was impossible. In the context of centralized power impossible becomes possible.
By the way, yesterday Kyrgyzstan signed almost all the laws necessary for the entry into the Customs Union. So the process of re-integration of the USSR goes according to plan.

 

[Targon]

Keep lie to yourself. The President was elected on the legitimate elections with program to return the status of the Russian language and closer to Russia. When Yanuckovich began to implement his program West has made a coup in response to prevent the strengthening of Russia and Ukraine.

Keep lying more to yourself, Ukraine was in the process of joining EU, president tried to turn from this so he faced people's wrath, you very well know thats what most Ukrainians want, its like Tayyip coming with promises of liberalism and declaring himself Caliph after elected, I can't see much of Ukrainians or ethnic minorities fighting againts new government, its only ethnic Russians which apperaently didn't had any loyalty to country they lived in but only felt allegiance to Russia from the beginning, I support the secession, Ukraine should get rid of these regions and move into its way through EU and NATO without any Russian interference and violence.

Even in Antalya there were cases of Russian and Ukrainians tourist starting brawl lol.

 

[asena_great]

So the process of re-integration of the USSR goes according to plan.

not quiet well as long as turkic union exist

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[vostok]

Keep lying more to yourself, Ukraine was in the process of joining EU, president tried to turn from this so he faced people's wrath, you very well know thats what most Ukrainians want, its like Tayyip coming with promises of liberalism and declaring himself Caliph after elected, I can't see much of Ukrainians or ethnic minorities fighting againts new government, its only ethnic Russians which apperaently didn't had any loyalty to country they lived in but only felt allegiance to Russia from the beginning, I support the secession, Ukraine should get rid of these regions and move into its way through EU and NATO without any Russian interference and violence.

Even in Antalya there were cases of Russian and Ukrainians tourist starting brawl lol.

You know nothing about Ukraine except the lies that comes from Western media. Yanukovych as well as Kuchma went to the elections with the program of returning bilingualism and closer ties with Russia. After the election, he began to change his program, betraying voters. However, in the end, he still decided to keep his word. He agreed with Russia on loans and the beginning of the program of modernization of the Ukrainian industry. To prevent the restoration of Ukrainian industry and strengthening of Russia and Ukraine, the Western agents have committed an anti-state coupe. Now they have the power, with the help of the army trying to suppress the free will of people. But tit will not work, because most of the citizens of Ukraine - a rapprochement with Russia, not the West. Ukraine was part of the Russian civilization for over a thousand years (except Galicia, Western Ukraine). and no one can change that.

 

[usernameless]

Tendency to reduce the number of Chinese can be changed for 1-2 generations, if such a need appear. Recently, there were almost no Chinese in Xinjiang, now they are becoming majority. And it is normal fact.

I understand your concern for China. I personally have question marks about China too, because we got used to Russia and its games/tricks, but China is a relative new player compared to Russia and increasingly becoming more assertive, so i am more curious what their future strategies will be for CA. That said, you accuse China for using Han settlements as demographic war against Uyghurs in Xinjiang, but didnt the Russians do the same in Turkic origin republics in Russia? and even assimilating CA Turkics during Soviet time?
However, I do appreciate that Russia nowadays allows its Turkic origin republics to join organizations such as Turksoy, Turkvizyon etc. China does not even allow that for its Uyghurs.

 

[asena_great]

It seems that we are all part of the greater proto-Altaic family..

yup i always have strong feeling about Japaneses i salute u my blood brother

 

[vostok]

I understand your concern for China. I personally have question marks about China too, because we got used to Russia and its games/tricks, but China is a relative new player compared to Russia and increasingly becoming more assertive, so i am more curious what their future strategies will be for CA. That said, you accuse China for using Han settlements as demographic war against Uyghurs in Xinjiang, but didnt the Russians do the same in Turkic origin republics in Russia? and even assimilating CA Turkics during Soviet time?
However, I do appreciate that Russia nowadays allows its Turkic origin republics to join organizations such as Turksoy, Turkvizyon etc. China does not even allow that for its Uyghurs.

I do not worry about Sinification of Xinjiang, I am concerned about the possible Sinification of former Soviet Central Asia. Southern borders of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union in Asia was formed because only on those borders country could effectively defend itself. So was started a process of reintegrating of former republics. With the same purpose has been established CSTO military bloc. Central Asian republics are interested in reintegrating because only with help of Russia, they can stop the export of civil war, drugs and terrorist Islamic movements from Afghanistan.

 

[Targon]

You know nothing about Ukraine except the lies that comes from Western media. Yanukovych as well as Kuchma went to the elections with the program of returning bilingualism and closer ties with Russia. After the election, he began to change his program, betraying voters. However, in the end, he still decided to keep his word. He agreed with Russia on loans and the beginning of the program of modernization of the Ukrainian industry. To prevent the restoration of Ukrainian industry and strengthening of Russia and Ukraine, the Western agents have committed an anti-state coupe. Now they have the power, with the help of the army trying to suppress the free will of people. But tit will not work, because most of the citizens of Ukraine - a rapprochement with Russia, not the West. Ukraine was part of the Russian civilization for over a thousand years (except Galicia, Western Ukraine). and no one can change that.

-Ukraine was in the process of joining EU, he might be close to Russia but I'm sure people didn't expected him to be turn his face to west and become a Russian lapdog, AKP government is closer to east, but they still keep their relationship with west strong, if they suddenly tried to cut their ties and lets say tried to ally themselves to some Arab countries they would also face strong dissatisfaction.

-Most of tension is caused by ethnic Russians, seemingly ethnic Ukrainians and other ethnic minorities are fine with new government, if overthrowers were not majority Yanukovych would not be overthrown in the first place, cry as much as you want thats the reality.

 

[usernameless]

I do not worry about Sinification of Xinjiang, I am concerned about the possible Sinification of former Soviet Central Asia. Southern borders of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union in Asia was formed because only on those borders country could effectively defend itself. So was started a process of reintegrating of former republics. With the same purpose has been established CSTO military bloc. Central Asian republics are interested in reintegrating because only with help of Russia, they can stop the export of civil war, drugs and terrorist Islamic movements from Afghanistan.

whatever you guys, Russian and Chinese, do, i hope you will keep your mess (like conflicts or wars) away from CA. I am sure CA Turkics only make the best choice for now, not due love for China or Russia. When the time is ripe in the distant future, Turkic countries should make one voice against Russia and China and be placed on equal respect with Russia and China, not be the toy of Russia or China. Difficult mission, but i am sure there are many Turkics who are fed up of being played around with and i hope the next generation of Turkics will make a difference.

 

[sahaliyan]

I understand your concern for China. I personally have question marks about China too, because we got used to Russia and its games/tricks, but China is a relative new player compared to Russia and increasingly becoming more assertive, so i am more curious what their future strategies will be for CA. That said, you accuse China for using Han settlements as demographic war against Uyghurs in Xinjiang, but didnt the Russians do the same in Turkic origin republics in Russia? and even assimilating CA Turkics during Soviet time?
However, I do appreciate that Russia nowadays allows its Turkic origin republics to join organizations such as Turksoy, Turkvizyon etc. China does not even allow that for its Uyghurs.

Our relation with central Asian nations based on the the five principles of peaceful coexistence,we want to cooperate with them in economic development and deal with Islamic extremism
Also the Hans moving into Xinjiang is true in some sense,but the areas they moved in are Jungaria,not southern Xinjiang,southern Xinjiang always has a Uyghur-majority population and can not changed,while even before PRC founded,the city Urumqi(known as Dihua that time) has a Han majority population.Jungaria is former Jungar land,the land was conquered by Qianlong empire,the Jungar population unfortunately wiped out by Imperial Chinese army,so the people from China proper settled in Jungaria.
Central Asia has millions people,I don't think China want to add millions muslims to be their citizens,so the concern of Chinese take over central asia is just a lie created by Russians to justice their rule in central asia

 

[vostok]

whatever you guys, Russian and Chinese, do, i hope you will keep your mess (like conflicts or wars) away from CA. I am sure CA Turkics only make the best choice for now, not due love for China or Russia. When the time is ripe in the distant future, Turkic countries should make one voice against Russia and China and be placed on equal respect with Russia and China, not be the toy of Russia or China. Difficult mission, but i am sure there are many Turkics who are fed up of being played around with and i hope the next generation of Turkics will make a difference.

You want to build a union based on the similarity of the language and culture? This is an utopia. In the 19th century, Russia has invested huge sources in the pan-Slavism. And Russia was in much more advantageous position - Russia was a superpower, and Russia was the only independent Slavic country in the world. However, it turned out that the cultural community has nothing to do with politics. Except for Serbs and Montenegrins, all other Slavic countries gladly sold out themselvez to west.
Returning to the borders of the USSR in Central Asia - the issue of border security, as in the steppes of Kazakhstan can not be any boundaries at all. And the process goes - were recreated military bases in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, their weapons constantly updated, besides Russia invests hundreds millon dollars in the development of armies of Kirgizia and Tajikistan.