Kazakh Khanate and the enslave of Russians

[sahaliyan]

August 28, 1740 Abilmambet Khan and Sultan Abylay together with 120 sultans and heads of prominent Kazakh tribes arrived in Orenburg and signed an agreement on the patronage of the Russian Empire on the Middle Zhuz.
Senior Juz tribes voluntarily joined Russia in the 30-60 years of the 19th century.

Sultan Abylay later became the Ablay Khan,he was an independent ruler,after the Zhungars were wiped out by Qing dynasty,Abilay and the Qing general Fude signed a peace agreement,he is no way a subject of Russians

1756-1757. Şürşit-qazaq soğısı.

1756, Abılay xan Qalmaq-Tolağay, Ayagöz urıstarında şürşit-cïn äskerlerine awır soqqılar berip, jazğı maydanda, taktïkalıq jäne strategïyalıq ülken jeñiske jetti.

1757. Cïn patşalığınıñ Qazaq Ordasına qarsı jaña jorığı; awır şığınğa uşırağan Abılay xan äskerdiñ negizgi küşterin saqtay otırıp, keri şegindi.

1757, 15 mamır. Abılay xannıñ senimdi ökili äbilpeyiz sultan men mänjü-cïn qolbasşısı Fw De arasındağı awqıtşa bitim twralı Aydın-Sw mämlesi.

1757, 7 mawsım. Cïn patşalığı ökilderi men Abılay xan arasındağı Ayagöz bitimi.

1757, qırküyek, qazan. Abılay xan Bejinge elşilik attandırdı. Täwelsiz sıylastıq twralı kelisim.

 

[vostok]

Sultan Abylay later became the Ablay Khan,he was an independent ruler,after the Zhungars were wiped out by Qing dynasty,Abilay and the Qing general Fude signed a peace agreement,he is no way a subject of Russians

So what? After him Kazakhs again became a part of the Empire and lived peacefully. Russian did not oppress the Kazakhs, protected them from Kokands and Khivans, Kazakhs honored the pledge of allegiance to the Czar.

 

[sahaliyan]

1757, qırküyek, qazan. Abılay xan Bejinge elşilik attandırdı. Täwelsiz sıylastıq twralı kelisim.
Abilay sent his envoys to Beijing,and signed the peace agreement with respect between each other

So what? After him Kazakhs again became a part of the of the Empire and lived peacefully. Russian did not oppress the Kazakhs, protected them from Kokands and Khivans, Kazakhs honored the pledge of allegiance to the Czar.

Kazakh Khannate was destroyed by you in middle 19th century
Anyway,the Kokands and Khivans couldn't do anything to the Kazakhs of middle juz,great juz was too weak,it's the reason they lost the area surrounded Tashkent to the Kokands,the Kokands even sent their army to Xinjiang,but they failed to conquer Xinjiang

 

[atatwolf]

But the Kazakhs are independent , and so is Kazakhstan.



To me, there seems to be a clear link between Turkic, and Japonic. There seems to be a correspondence between Turkic initial d-, and Japonic initial y-, such as in Turkish dört vs. Japanese yo(n), both meaning four, and in Turkish dağ vs. Japanese yama, both meaning mountain. In my humble opinion, the proto-sound could have been ɟ, which then later evolved into d in Turkic, and into y (phnetically j) in Japonic.




I do feel like Japanese and Turkish are similar, because the logic of the syntax of both languages seem really close to each other.

Jp: Kyoto-no
Tr: Kyoto'nun
En: of Kyoto

Jp: Kuruma-de
Tr: Araba-da
En: by car

Jp: Kutu-o
Tr: Pabuç-u
En: the shoes

Jp: Nan-desu ka
Tr: Ne-dir ki?
En: What is it?

Jp: imasu
Tr: imiş
En: there is

Jp: hanashimashita
Tr: konuşmuştu
En: he had talked

Jp: itta
Tr: gitti
En: he's gone

and so on and so forth. In my opinion there is a faint link somewhere in the history of these languages.

Nice, I didn't know some of those.

Last year I had Japanese home mate and we also discovered some similarities too. For example when she asked me something I could just answer in Turkish and Japanese at the same time :p.

When I listen to some Japanese speaking vocally and rhythmically it is the same but vocabulary is different with some exceptions. Grammar and sentence structure is without doubt related to each other.

The thing is proto-altaic languages seperated long time ago. Turkic and Japonic has very ancient past so when somebody compares it, they should keep that into mind.

 

[vostok]

Kazakh Khannate was destroyed by you in middle 19th century
Anyway,the Kokands and Khivans couldn't do anything to the Kazakhs of middle juz,great juz was too weak,it's the reason they lost the area surrounded Tashkent to the Kokands,the Kokands even sent their army to Xinjiang,but they failed to conquer Xinjiang

Kazakh Khanat was abolished, and not destroyed. Once again - most of the Kazakh tribes became part of Russia voluntarily. Bukhara, Kokand and Khiva Russia conquered, and Kazakhs became a part of the Empire voluntarily as Little Russia or Georgia.

 

[sahaliyan]

Kazakh Khanat was abolished, and not destroyed. Once again - most of the Kazakh tribes became part of Russia voluntarily. Bukhara, Kokand and Khiva Russia conquered, and Kazakhs became a part of the Empire voluntarily as Little Russia or Georgia.

1841. Kenesarı üş alaştıñ xanı retinde aq kïizge köterildi.
Kenesari became the Khan of alash，he was lifted up to white felt

 

[Alienoz_TR]

But the Kazakhs are independent , and so is Kazakhstan.



To me, there seems to be a clear link between Turkic, and Japonic. There seems to be a correspondence between Turkic initial d-, and Japonic initial y-, such as in Turkish dört vs. Japanese yo(n), both meaning four, and in Turkish dağ vs. Japanese yama, both meaning mountain. In my humble opinion, the proto-sound could have been ɟ, which then later evolved into d in Turkic, and into y (phnetically j) in Japonic.




I do feel like Japanese and Turkish are similar, because the logic of the syntax of both languages seem really close to each other.

Jp: Kyoto-no
Tr: Kyoto'nun
En: of Kyoto

Jp: Kuruma-de
Tr: Araba-da
En: by car

Jp: Kutu-o
Tr: Pabuç-u
En: the shoes

Jp: Nan-desu ka
Tr: Ne-dir ki?
En: What is it?

Jp: imasu
Tr: imiş
En: there is

Jp: hanashimashita
Tr: konuşmuştu
En: he had talked

Jp: itta
Tr: gitti
En: he's gone

and so on and so forth. In my opinion there is a faint link somewhere in the history of these languages.

Before the expansion of Indo-European languages, people stretching from Spain (Basque) to Japan in the northern belt were using similar system of languages. I dont know exact words regarding to linguistics, but i mean: prepositions, verb creations were/are added to the end of the words. Indo European expansion did cut the contact of those languages. Ural-Altaic languages contain many languages similar in system: from Hungarian, Finn to Turkic, Korean and Japan.

Japans are more related to Koreans or Mongols rather than to Chinese, imho.

 

[atatwolf]

Kazakh Khanat was abolished, and not destroyed. Once again - most of the Kazakh tribes became part of Russia voluntarily. Bukhara, Kokand and Khiva Russia conquered, and Kazakhs became a part of the Empire voluntarily as Little Russia or Georgia.

Why did they want to brake up when they got the chance during Soviet collapse?

 

[Alienoz_TR]

1841. Kenesarı üş alaştıñ xanı retinde aq kïizge köterildi.
Kenesari became the Khan of alash，he was lifted up to white felt

Did you translate it? Or used translation.

Because I only understand the words of "aq", "xan" and "köterildi".

 

[Aepsilons]

Before the expansion of Indo-European languages, people stretching from Spain (Basque) to Japan in the northern belt were using similar system of languages. I dont know exact words regarding to linguistics, but i mean: prepositions, verb creations were/are added to the end of the words. Indo European expansion did cut the contact of those languages. Ural-Altaic languages contain many languages similar in system: from Hungarian, Finn to Turkic, Korean and Japan.

Japans are more related to Koreans or Mongols rather than to Chinese, imho.

I definitely can see a similarity between Japanese Ainu Language and other Altaic languages.

The geographical area of Altaic language covers Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan through the Central Asian republics of Kazakstan, Mongolia, the inner Mongolia region of China, northernmost Asia, and so forth.

A lexical comparative study on those suspicious lexical items that may have common roots. For example, the word of the Ainu root kur:

Ainu:kur:kurëshadowí etc.

Japanese: kur:kurasiëdarkí etc.

Korean:kurumëcloudíkurim ësootíetc.

Tungusic:kurunyukësootíetc

Mongol:?karaëblackí

Turkic:kurimësootí

Hungarian:koromësootí

1. The Ainu language contains many features in common with Altaic. These features are primarily shared lexical items exhibiting recurring phonological correspondences,
2. Most of these features must have been present at the Proto-Ainu stage,
3. For borrowing to occur contact between the Proto-Ainu and an Altaic people must be assumed.

 

[vostok]

1841. Kenesarı üş alaştıñ xanı retinde aq kïizge köterildi.
Kenesari became the Khan of alash，he was lifted up to white felt

You know, most Kazakhs consider Russian brothers. You would offend many of them if began to argue that the Russian Empire conquered them, and not they themselves, in their own will, became part of it.
In Central Russia, too, was uprisings against government and the Emperor, as elsewhere were. This does not negate the fact that the majority of Kazakh tribes voluntarily joined Russia and swore Czar eternal allegiance..

 

[sahaliyan]

You know, most Kazakhs consider Russian brothers. You would offend many of them if began to argue that the Russian Empire conquered them, and not they themselves, in their own will, became part of it.
In Central Russia, too, was uprisings against government and the Emperor, as elsewhere were. This does not negate the fact that the majority of Kazakh tribes voluntarily joined Russia and swore Czar eternal allegiance..

Lol I have many Kazakh friends,both from China and Kazakhstan,most of them don't like Russia

 

[vostok]

Lol I have many Kazakh friends,both from China and Kazakhstan,most of them don't like Russia

Taking into account your views, I'm not surprised. But the vast majority of Kazakhs for an alliance with Russia. Kazakhstan was the last one who came out of the USSR and the first to propose the integration in the form of the Eurasian Union.

 

[sahaliyan]

Taking into account your views, I'm not surprised. But the vast majority of Kazakhs for an alliance with Russia. Kazakhstan was the last one who came out of the USSR and the first to propose the integration in the form of the Eurasian Union.

Kazakhstan is independent and will remain so
Nazarbayev is clever than the Ukrainian politicians though,he was educated by soviet system,in current time,he served the interests of Kazakhstan,however the young generation Kazakhs will rise in the future,they are different,they receive the different education,and live in different environment than their forefathers
And with more Chinese Kazakh oralmans moving into Kazakhstan,the Russian influence will decline,the Chinese Kazakhs have no Russian influence

 

[vostok]

Kazakhstan is independent and will remain so
Nazarbayev is clever than the Ukrainian politicians though,he was educated by soviet system,in current time,he served the interests of Kazakhstan,however the young generation Kazakhs will rise in the future,they are different,they receive the different education,and live in different environment than their forefathers
And with more Chinese Kazakh oralmans moving into Kazakhstan,the Russian influence will decline,the Chinese Kazakhs have no Russian influence

It's your vision for the future. Russian make up more than 20% of Kazakhstan's population and they live in the industrialized northern regions.
I highly doubt that Kazakhstan ever prefer China over Russia.
All russophobes wrong in the same - they always sure that Russia's influence in the world and Russian power will invariably fall. And in fact, the Russian influence on all the neighbors will increase over the coming decades. Most likely, it will lead to the fact that Eurasian Union would become a federal or confederal state and by influence on the affairs of the world will be on a par with the Soviet Union or even greater.