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Kayani warns US

This war with Pakistan can get messy and much more innocent lives will be lost.

Above is not going to happen - trust me.

For we know the past - Musharaf threw the towel, and the present - drones are dancing over Pakistan.
Looking at the past and present, you can predict some future analytically.
Pakistan without foreign assistance will be kaput, because none of the Government owned enterprise is making profit, but thats not enough, they are loosing money big time. Pakistan has FOREX only to cover her import expenses for barely one month. Against these odds, Pakistan wont retaliate and instead will work with the cool head, as it is advised from Jeddah and Beijing to reduce the tension with the US.

Pakistan fighting US is tantamount to Pakistan diging its own grave.
 
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Ya sure it does look enough in Afghanistan or Iraq. Which was last war america have won ?
if u ask me i would say US has won the war..Both iraq n afghanistan has been turned into a war torned country ...thats a objective..make this countries not able to stand on their own leg pound them so hard that they wont get up for next 100 years.....

And against whom they have to win??? Who is the opposing force ??Afghanistan or iraq??

some luny talibans....any day americans can leave afghanistan and go home n can live happy ,can those talibunnies go n launch a war in US soil :lol:
 
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General Musharraf, General Kayani & General Ahsan Saleem Hyat are responsible for the mess which brought them into this situation, again history repeats itself when Pakistan took steps which consequences demaged Pakistan's strategic and national interests.

We know very well that there is no military comparison with US but Pakistan could avoid current situation by adding regional countries to solve Afghan problem without US role. Now Pakistan is making same decision which should be carried in 2001. 10 years they needed US aid and now they don't? Funny.

Is there any mature approach of Pakistan in all this scenario?
 
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Is there any mature approach of Pakistan in all this scenario?

Americans (Pentagon, state dept, CIA) bend the bendables. Since they have Pakistan's past history of caving in against them, they will work on Pakistan on this (to extract their demand on Haqani). Its natural, everyone would do just that, as Yanks are doing here, no need to play poker here. Pakistan would find a middle ground, albeit a face saving one.
 
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yea kayani needs lessons from some internet warrior like you
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It will be better for Pakistan. If Hitler would have done same, Germany wouldn't destroyed.

Threatening US with nuclear weapons is funny. Just remember Collin Powell's words.

becharay indian, khud tu kuch bigar saktay nahin Pakistan ka bus khwab dekh rahay hain kay americka in kay leyay jung laray hum se.

Do we need America or any other country to fight with Pakistan? Forgot past? 1971? What India can do more to harm Pakistan? Pakistan is already in truoble.

It is Pakistan which recently sought help from China (during vice-PM's visit) saying with big words like deeper than ocean, sweeter than honey etc. lol
 
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Kayani knew that one US carrier group is enough for Pakistand and Pakistan can't attack US soil directly.

Then what this is all about?

not just Pakistan , but as one of the commanders of a US fleet said in one of the programs, they can invade and take out "ANY COUNTRY" the US president tells them to.

secondly always give a thought before passing a verdict on the bases of the wording of the news title or the way media presents it. Kyani has not even threatened India with Nuclear war let alone USA.
nuclear weapons actually ensure that the big scale war never breaks out and thats why US and Soviets never went out in all out confrontation. there are hints for the people who have the insight and thats what Americans always consider too but its just a freidnly reminder if you understand what I am saying. All the countries lately invaded by Americans didnt have anything like Nuclear weapons, even their possibility is preventing the Yanks from invading North Korea.
 
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Kayani gives danda to U.S..in simple words thats the best description..enough of colonial monopoly in the regions..India, Pakistan, Iran, China, Afghanistan are all neighbors and will continue to do so for eternity. Instead of fighting our patches of lands across colonial drawn borders, we should look to forge a strong federation and work towards betterment of our people instead of letting the colonials play on our differences and steal our resources.

Gas rich Iran is next door, yet Pakistan and India are both suffering through worst gas shortages. Simlarly, Afghanistan has been a hot spot of invasion by colonials and Tsarist for its natural wealth yet we fail to utilize even 1% of that wealth.

And to all the indians cheering up on American threads of invading Pakistan, seem like you forgot the saying that a sword of faith is mightier than an armored cavalry of 1000 men. Now please have a visit to your historic places and thanks the Muslim invaders who bought civilization to the land of polytheist.

Nothing rules out the fact that U.S has lost the war in Afganistan and looking for a cheap scapegorat..

Down with US Aid.!
 
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a sword of faith is mightier than an armored cavalry of 1000 men

Faith... must be enforced by reason.... When faith becomes blind it dies. ~Mahatma Gandhi
 
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not just Pakistan , but as one of the commanders of a US fleet said in one of the programs, they can invade and take out "ANY COUNTRY" the US president tells them to.

secondly always give a thought before passing a verdict on the bases of the wording of the news title or the way media presents it. Kyani has not even threatened India with Nuclear war let alone USA.
nuclear weapons actually ensure that the big scale war never breaks out and thats why US and Soviets never went out in all out confrontation. there are hints for the people who have the insight and thats what Americans always consider too but its just a freidnly reminder if you understand what I am saying. All the countries lately invaded by Americans didnt have anything like Nuclear weapons, even their possibility is preventing the Yanks from invading North Korea.

Pakistan got nukes for decades, Kayani do not want to remind it as USA knows, the whole world knows it.

Let the perception go thru US eyes. They do not want to invade Pakistan for sure. In fact nobody wants. Whats their aim? To stop attack originating from NW for all and exit from Afganistan.

For them, NW should be cleanlised for the purpose. Pakistan is not allowing it, neither they will do it and let others do it.

As a military option, what US has in their hands. They are not aiming Rawalpindi or Lahore.

IMO, they may move in to NW to get thing done with air support, typically like Kargil --- where a limited conflict ...

In that scenerio, what role nukes will play? remember Pakistan had nukes at the time of Kargil war too. That did not prevent India to throw the intruders out.

Even US might press for a limited conflict by them and pressure Pakistan to keep a low profile in the public eyes, just like drone attacks.

and One more point, USA a super power, they might be in weak position coz of supply routes. But they have 100s of other routes if they want to harm Pakistan interests.
 
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Lol at the Indian defense analyst chick. She doesn't know what she's talking about, rather just got a comfy job spreading rhetoric with her average skills in English.

LOL she's a diplomatic correspondent a.k.a a press reporter not like every other person is a defense analyst from across our border.:lol:
 
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But Kayani said the same thing about American drone attacks didn't he? He warned the US of A that any violation of Pakistan territory would be construed as an assault on the sovereignty of Pakistan and would result in dire consequences!

Oh well, there have been 162 drone attacks after Kayani's threat. So what has changed? I think it's all bluster!

Let's face reality. What can Pakistan do in the event of an American assault? B-2 bombers, hundreds of cruise missiles, Raptors, B-52s armed with 15,000 pounder Daisy Cutters, the 5th Fleet which includes a Carrier Strike Group and an Expeditionary Strike Group now operating in the Gulf, that could 'threaten' Karachi and Gwadar ports with almost as many fighter aircraft as the entire Pakistan Air Force, and so on.

And that's a massive amount of fire power! It would be interesting to see what Kayani, Asif Sandila and Rao Qamar Suleman would do in such a situation! (I hope I'm correct with the names!)

But then, it is most likely that the US of A will not go to the extent of opening another front in Pakistan. Their economy is in a shambles and their troops are a tired lot. It's nothing but shadow boxing all the way!

Cheers!
 
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Pakistan can block US oil supply and end dream to get excess of Central Asian and middle east Oil and block supply to US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

US already lost war in Afghanistan

In punjabi Ghusa Khati tay Khadia Khumar Tay lol

Hardly. Looking at this they're in advanced stages of reaching negotiations with Russians for a CAR route. Your blocking of oil will mean that US Navy 5th Fleet Task Force will come into action. Why do you think US is the only nation on the planet to have 12 supercarriers? Heck! Their naval fighter fleet is larger than many decent air forces on this planet!

Trust me, your generals will know this better as they have a clearer picture than us civilians, which is why they're not doing it. If it was that easy, it would have been done already.
 
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Pakistan got nukes for decades, Kayani do not want to remind it as USA knows, the whole world knows it.

Let the perception go thru US eyes. They do not want to invade Pakistan for sure. In fact nobody wants. Whats their aim? To stop attack originating from NW for all and exit from Afganistan.

For them, NW should be cleanlised for the purpose. Pakistan is not allowing it, neither they will do it and let others do it.

As a military option, what US has in their hands. They are not aiming Rawalpindi or Lahore.

IMO, they may move in to NW to get thing done with air support, typically like Kargil --- where a limited conflict ...

In that scenerio, what role nukes will play? remember Pakistan had nukes at the time of Kargil war too. That did not prevent India to throw the intruders out.

Even US might press for a limited conflict by them and pressure Pakistan to keep a low profile in the public eyes, just like drone attacks.

and One more point, USA a super power, they might be in weak position coz of supply routes. But they have 100s of other routes if they want to harm Pakistan interests.

Kargil war remained within that region and didn’t go into a full blown war, just like many other aggressive deployments by India and nukes on both sides ensured that the leaderships saw sense in not going for "M.A.D" option.

Nukes play their part in the diplomacy that’s why they form the essential part of any discussion, article, interview and media briefing done by the people across the globe whenever they mention Pakistan. its their own networks speaking to their experts, former ambassadors and diplomats, and servicemen who say that America cant just launch an attack on Pakistan like it has done on other countries (whether limited or full blown ) because of these Nukes.


It is strange that you are commenting on America’s invasion of North Waziristan like Kargil, look at their track record in the Afghanistan they currently hold, add another restive part with one of the most difficult & punishing terrain and logistical nightmare and a hostile nuclear country. How do you think that will play? While Afghan Taliban virtually roaming unopposed occupying key places almost all along the Waziristan belt, how would this taskforce sustain itself after the initial assault?

Read more here if you need to, this subject has had a fare share of discussion

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...ys-troops-along-pak-border-3.html#post2199540

the whole premise of Pakistan having nukes is that we know that our adversaries are bigger and stronger than us in conventional weapons so we are going to loose anyway, so we will give a nasty bite to the aggressor that it would make it think many times if the gains from attacking Pakistan outweigh the eventual nuclear response from Pakistan on its cities or military bases.

It doesn’t mean in any way that we are threatening you that we will nuke you.. Its just a friendly reminder that please don’t mess with us go bully someone else if your appetite for war and more destruction is insatiable. Go impose your freedom on other countries that don’t have a nuke. Its just like an animal bears its fangs or thumbs its chest to ward off the likely predators from itself or its calf’s. we all do it, and our military parades on the national day are also a part of that. They are not just a moral booster but also telling the likely hostiles to watch their step.

as far as harming Pakistan through 100 other options is concerned its an assumption based on open hostilities, its a hypothetical discussion and I will leave it for now but will add what Chogy has said, he is an Ex USAF fighter pilot, please read and dont speak on their behalf.

"Hundreds of troops" couldn't seal 1 kilometer of the border.

The title of the article itself is a total impossibility... an amazing leap to a false conclusion. What we have is a simple troop movement/operation in a particular area that happens to be close to the border.

Before Desert Storm, Schwartzkopf wanted hundreds of thousands of troops before he was ready to roll. I don't know what the mission is for these soldiers, but it is neither to seal the border, nor invade Pakistan.
 
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But Kayani said the same thing about American drone attacks didn't he? He warned the US of A that any violation of Pakistan territory would be construed as an assault on the sovereignty of Pakistan and would result in dire consequences!

Oh well, there have been 162 drone attacks after Kayani's threat. So what has changed? I think it's all bluster!

Let's face reality. What can Pakistan do in the event of an American assault? B-2 bombers, hundreds of cruise missiles, Raptors, B-52s armed with 15,000 pounder Daisy Cutters, Hell Fire missiles from their Apaches, the 5th Fleet which includes a Carrier Strike Group and an Expeditionary Strike Group now operating in the Gulf, that could 'threaten' Karachi and Gwadar ports and so on.

And that's a massive amount of fire power! It would be interesting to see what Kayani, Asif Sandila and Rao Qamar Suleman would do in such a situation! (I hope I'm correct with the names!)

But then, it is most likely that the US of A will not go to the extent of opening another front in Pakistan. Their economy is in a shambles and their troops are a tired lot. It's nothing but shadow boxing all the way!

For the bold part - If you think you can scare Pakistani Nation with this than you still don't understand Pakistanis

Overall - I don't think their will be any response (other than talks) in case of any US offense. There will be protest, blockage of transport routes for some period and few more actions just to calm down the nation. This is because our government is not true representative to nation and in army no one get promoted above the level of major until the green signal from US.
 
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