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Kayani warns US

Can an Indian here honestly prove that the United States has has killed 115 Haqqani insurgents from a different (non-indian) source ?

Can you prove otherwise? Maybe or maybe not unless you're actually familiar with the place where the operation apparently took place. Judging by the the fact that you're in Canada and I'm in India, I doubt either of us can prove it except rely on reports of media networks that have correspondence with each other, sharing reports from different countries with each other.
 
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Can you prove otherwise? Maybe or maybe not unless you're actually familiar with the place where the operation apparently took place. Judging by the the fact that you're in Canada and I'm in India, I doubt either of us can prove it except rely on reports of media networks that have correspondence with each other, sharing reports from different countries with each other.

I will believe if there are multiple sources on the same issue. 1 source and that being from india makes no sense as it is justifying that Americans only informed you and not their own media. Reality is America is more concerned about Haqqanis than India how come the news came to you first?
 
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Kiyani threatening US with nuclear weapons! lol Even Russia with their best ICBMs and nuclear submarines cannot do that. Neither Pakistani missiles can reach anywhere near to US nor they can penetrate THAAD, Aegis or PAC-3. The return nukes from US will be total destruction. It is more like a suicide attempt.

..AND when pakistan missiles do reach AMerican cities as you INdians so like to see, you better leave India Very quickly because then Pakistan will be after you.
YOur Insults on russian tech ...well...did you finally found out how bad your military tech is by makiung comments about Russian. Havent you thought that they must have send you rubbish tech ?

ANother why you shouldn't be talking about Pakistan in that manner.

PS Hey Russians see how your Indian buddies think about your miltary hardware.
 
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The US would definitely think 10 times, even 15 times, but if after those 10-15 the US determined it should attack Pakistan, it would be like lightning.
OH! I know that already. But what if US got blind like lightning? right away...:smokin:
 
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The only place that america is going to attack pakistan is in indian wet dreams cos the indians hate but dare not lift a finger on pakistan. Even when they accuse us of harbouring terrorists who go and kill their civilians all they do is huff and puff they are 6 times or so bigger than us and huffing and incredible puffing is all they can do and have wet dreams that america will attack us
I guess Indians even fogot to go to sleep lately....:eek:
 
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IBN is indian TV channel and has invisible extension from indian establishment. It’s natural india tries to escalate tension between US and Pakistan so india can try scavenging for scraps. Follow the line of questions from indian presenters, how a simple statement of Pakistan capability was tried to present as "threat"; clearly designed to serve indian scavenging. That is indian desperation. Now Afghan President statement of siding with Pakistan in case of war with India would notch up indian paranoia even further.

On the other hand US just after 9/11 threatened Pakistan with stone age. So in that context, it was good Kayani reflected on sentiment APC had communicated on 29th of Sep.
 
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Kiyani threatening US with nuclear weapons! lol Even Russia with their best ICBMs and nuclear submarines cannot do that. Neither Pakistani missiles can reach anywhere near to US nor they can penetrate THAAD, Aegis or PAC-3. The return nukes from US will be total destruction. It is more like a suicide attempt.

In that case you should be happy, after all, you always wanted total destruction of Pakistan, but something tells me that instead of being happy you're quite disturbed that Pakistan has not yet surrendered to the US pressure.
 
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Kayani gives danda to U.S..in simple words thats the best description..enough of colonial monopoly in the regions..India, Pakistan, Iran, China, Afghanistan are all neighbours and will continue to do so for eternity. Instead of fighting our patches of lands across colonial drawn borders, we should look to forge a strong federation and work towards betterment of our people instead of letting the colonials play on our differences and steal our resources.

Gas rich Iran is next door, yet Pakistan and India are both suffering through worst gas shortages. Similarly, Afghanistan has been a hot spot of invasion by colonials and Tsarist for its natural wealth yet we fail to utilize even 1% of that wealth.

And to all the indians cheering up on American threads of invading Pakistan, seem like you forgot the saying that a sword of faith is mightier than an armoured cavalry of 1000 men. Now please have a visit to your historic places and thanks the Muslim invaders who bought civilization to the land of polytheist.

Nothing rules out the fact that U.S has lost the war in Afghanistan and looking for a cheap scapegoat.

Down with US Aid.!

I enjoyed your post and agree with most of your views. Towards the end you injected the religious tone which spoiled the essence of your message. I will have to dig deeper into our Upnishads and Vedas and than decide if the civilization was brought or destroyed in our part of the world. If we are polytheist than no one should have any problem with it as we respect the belief system of other communities around the world. This is bit off topic but I felt it is necessary to respond when one crosses over the line.
 
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This recent editorial in The Economist may of interest:

from: Pakistan and America: To the bitter end | The Economist

Pakistan and America
To the bitter end
Growing concerns about a difficult relationship

Oct 15th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

THOUGH America’s relations with Pakistan grow ever more wretched, it
remains hard to imagine either side daring to break them off. Military
types, diplomats, analysts and politicians in Islamabad describe a
mood more poisonous than at any time for a generation. Links between
the intelligence agencies, the core of bilateral relations for six
decades, are worst of all,
notably since America caught Osama bin
Laden hiding amid Pakistan’s apron strings. Pakistan felt humiliated
too by the way the al-Qaeda leader was killed.

Yet the ties still bind, amid fears of far worse. Last month,
America’s departing chief of staff, Mike Mullen, said Pakistan’s army
spies ran the Haqqani network, a militant outfit that has killed
American men in Afghanistan and attacked the embassy in Kabul in
September. The chatter in Pakistan was of frenzied preparation for
military confrontation.

Many Pakistanis seemed jubilant at the idea, with polls suggesting
over 80% of them are hostile to their ally, and chat shows competing
to pour scorn on America as the root of all evil. Instead relations
have been patched up.
Last week Barack Obama said mildly that the
outside world must “constantly evaluate” Pakistan’s behaviour. In what
may signal a conciliation of sorts, a new CIA chief has been installed
in Islamabad, the third in a year after Pakistani spies outed his
predecessors.

American policy is contradictory. On the one side are defence types,
eager to fight jihadists and angry at Pakistani meddling in southern
and eastern Afghanistan. On the other side are diplomats, anxious
about losing tabs on Pakistani nukes or having to do without Pakistani
assistance in stopping terror attacks in the West. Many also fear the
spreading failure of the Pakistani state. A senior
American official in Islamabad starkly describes how the relationship
seemed lost last month, with “huge numbers of people trying not to let
it go over the edge”.

For the moment ties persist, though they are loosened. America has
suspended military aid, supposedly worth hundreds of millions of
dollars (Pakistanis say Americans inflate the figures).
It has not
paid its agreed dues to Pakistan’s army for several months, nor have
its trainers returned. America is also readier than before to back
things that Pakistan despises, such as India’s blossoming relations
with Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, who last week swept through
Delhi to laud India’s growing role as a donor.


Pakistan’s army has responded by giving a little ground. It still
refuses America’s call for a war on militants in the border area of
North Waziristan—“it’s bad strategy to ignite everything at once”
sniffs a gloomy Pakistani official—but it has, apparently, nudged
Haqqani leaders from their hiding places over the border into
Afghanistan.
At the same time Pakistanis complain of impossible
American demands over jihadists: they say Mr Obama’s strategy of
“fight and talk” in Afghanistan requires Pakistan’s army to handle
insurgent fighters by killing, capturing and bringing them into
negotiations all at the same time.

Afghanistan, where the two countries fumble and fail to accommodate
each other, will remain the crux of Pakistan’s relations with America.
Pakistan’s leaders long derided what they saw as America’s vain
“transformative” struggle to make Afghanistan modern, democratic and
united—perhaps they also feared a similar push to refashion the role
of the army in Pakistan. The head of Pakistan’s armed forces, General
Ashfaq Kayani, in particular, is said to dismiss America’s
understanding of the fractured country next door as naive and
simplistic, a doomed effort to make Afghanistan into something it is
not.

But as America’s ambitions there have shrunk to little more than
extracting its soldiers fast and leaving behind a minimally stable
territory that is not dominated by Pushtuns, concerns in Pakistan have
grown anew.
It now fears being abandoned, losing aid and relevance,
and becoming encircled by forces allied with its old foe, India.

Several commentators in Islamabad suggest that, sooner than have a
united neighbour that is pro-India, Pakistan would prefer more war and
division in Afghanistan—“let Afghanistan cook its own goose” says an
ex-general.

A crunch could come in the next few months, as foreigners gather for a
pair of summits on Afghanistan, first in Istanbul in November, then in
Bonn in December.
What should have been a chance to back domestic
peace talks (which have not happened) could instead be a moment for
recrimination, with Pakistanis to take the blame. Worse yet for
Pakistan would be if its ill-starred performance as an ally becomes a
prominent issue in Mr Obama’s presidential re-election campaign.
Afghanistan is sure to dominate a NATO summit to be held in Chicago in
May.

Afghanistan may, or may not, recede in importance after 2014, when
America is due to cut the number of soldiers it has in the region. Yet
even without the thorn of Afghanistan, a list of divisive, unattended
issues infects Pakistan’s relations with America. On their own they
would be more than enough to shake relations between most countries.


Pakistan is a known proliferator, and is more hostile than almost any
other country to America’s global efforts to cut nuclear arsenals and
prevent the spread of weapons of mass destruction. America is fast
expanding its economic and military ties with Pakistan’s great rival,
India. And Pakistan’s domestic rule would set most American diplomats’
hair on end—venal civilian leaders; army men hankering for the next
coup and having pesky journalists killed off; Islamists who shoot
opponents for being liberal. With a friend like Pakistan, who needs
enemies?


from the print edition | Asia
 
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The point of having a nuclear capability is to NOT use them, that is use the threat of nukes to prevent a scenario in which they would be used, i.e., Deterrence.

Kayani did not threaten to 'nuke' anyone, he pointed out a 'fact' — that 'fact' is Pakistan's deterrence.[COLOUR="Silver"]

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Pakistanis are not the ones in need of a 'history lesson' given that massacre of history you committed above ... :disagree:

Although Gen. Kayani did not threaten directly to use nukes, his statement implied that use of nukes is an option available to PA. If did not mean that than why tell the world which we already know that Pakistan is a nuclear nation. It is veiled threat, if he were to give a direct threat the relationship between USA and Pakistan will reach a point of no return.

I do need a lesson in history of massacre committed by us therefore request you to provide me the details of such incident of our past mistakes. Pakistanis urgently need to be reminded of their past in order to get better for future. This I had to state since in this forum someone had claimed that Pakistan is 5000 year old nation. Once I locate the thread you will be informed about it.
 
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