Kashmiri's To Launch New Revolution If Talks Fail, Yasin Malik back to fighting talk

[EagleEyes]

Further, if I go by your logic, every army in the world is a terrorist organization.

Read back. Its not my logic. It is the logic of some people who go by labeling everyone terrorists. JKLF is no less than a government or an army. Its just not comprehensive enough yet.

 

[vish]

Read back. Its not my logic. It is the logic of some people who go by labeling everyone terrorists. JKLF is no less than a government or an army. Its just not comprehensive enough yet.

This is where the contention is; you believe that the JKLF is equivalent to (or no less than) a government or an army (correct me if I've understood you wrong).

How is this so? I'm asking you to provide me an explanation for I thoroughly disagree with you.

JKLF is a seperatist organization which was once extreme and violent and is now more moderate and pseudo-political in its agenda and functioning.

 

[Flintlock]

I found this Book:
Terror, Insurgency, and the State ... - Google Book Search

Quoting from it:

"JKLF group..is established....members received training....in Pakistan Controlled kashmir...as well as from Pakistan military and ISI...."

 

[Flintlock]

As far as his hope for a secular kashmir are concerned, there is absolutely no way Kashmir is going to be a secular region unless its under Indian control.

Even a country like Pakistan, with its colonial history and British educated upper-class couldn't remain secular in the face of Islamic forces.

kashmir doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Unfortunately thats what the point was for 9/11.. defame all Muslims around the world and eventually all muslim freedom fighters become "terrorits".

 

[Flintlock]

^^^It isn't even about that. Its more about the completely non-viable nature of an independent secular J&K.


Scenario 1:
The Indian Army unilaterally vacates the kashmir valley. Every mujahideen from Iraq to Afghanistan to Chechnya will be dancing in the streets of Srinagar before you can say "jehad".
The few secular voices will be silenced, and we will have a new terrorist hub and recruitment centre.

Scenario 2:
The Indian army unilaterally vacates the entire J&K region. Immediately a bloody civil war will erupt between the Hindus of Jammu and the Muslims of Kashmir. The ratio of muslims to hindus is around 60-40, so it won't be a short one either. India will support the Hindus by proxy and Pakistan will support the Muslims, with help from Afghanistan of course.
Meanwhile China says "what the heck" and takes Ladakh.

 

[cactuslily58]

Hello everybody... the link relates to what Yasin Malik has said....


Is it possible for Indians & Pakistanis to discuss ANY topic without dragging in tangential issues ?

 

[dabong1]

^^^It isn't even about that. Its more about the completely non-viable nature of an independent secular J&K.


Scenario 1:
The Indian Army unilaterally vacates the kashmir valley. Every mujahideen from Iraq to Afghanistan to Chechnya will be dancing in the streets of Srinagar before you can say "jehad".
The few secular voices will be silenced, and we will have a new terrorist hub and recruitment centre.

Scenario 2:
The Indian army unilaterally vacates the entire J&K region. Immediately a bloody civil war will erupt between the Hindus of Jammu and the Muslims of Kashmir. The ratio of muslims to hindus is around 60-40, so it won't be a short one either. India will support the Hindus by proxy and Pakistan will support the Muslims, with help from Afghanistan of course.
Meanwhile China says "what the heck" and takes Ladakh.

I love the way you jump to an extreme.

Scenario 1:
The Indian Army unilaterally vacates the kashmir valley.........the only way the indian hindu terrorist's army is going to vacate kashmir is if the mujahideen wipe the indian hindu terror enity out.
Brother mujahideen from Iraq ,Afghanistan to Chechnya will soon be arriving in kashmir once mushy has gone.

Scenario 2:
The Indian army unilaterally vacates the entire J&K region. Immediately a bloody civil war will erupt between the Hindus of Jammu and the Muslims of Kashmir.
You forget that muslims and hindu lived in peace, it was when the indian hindu terrorist outfit turned up numbering half a million that caused all the problem.

 

[Flintlock]

I love the way you jump to an extreme.

Scenario 1:
The Indian Army unilaterally vacates the kashmir valley.........the only way the indian hindu terrorist's army is going to vacate kashmir is if the mujahideen wipe the indian hindu terror enity out.
Brother mujahideen from Iraq ,Afghanistan to Chechnya will soon be arriving in kashmir once mushy has gone.

Scenario 2:
The Indian army unilaterally vacates the entire J&K region. Immediately a bloody civil war will erupt between the Hindus of Jammu and the Muslims of Kashmir.
You forget that muslims and hindu lived in peace, it was when the indian hindu terrorist outfit turned up numbering half a million that caused all the problem.

cripes....you totally misread my post...i'm not surprised.

 

[dabong1]

As far as his hope for a secular kashmir are concerned, there is absolutely no way Kashmir is going to be a secular region unless its under Indian control..

The same ideology "secularism" has cauced more deaths in the world then probably all the religious wars put together

As if the kashmiris stand a chance in a "secular india" where the killing of muslims,sikhs and christians has been regular .
Only an islamic welfare state of kashmir ,giving justice and protection to all its citizens has a chance.[/QUOTE]

 

[dabong1]

cripes....you totally misread my post...i'm not surprised.

"Its more about the completely non-viable nature of an independent secular J&K."

I agree........ only a independent islamic kashmir is a viable option.

 

[Flintlock]

"Its more about the completely non-viable nature of an independent secular J&K."

I agree........ only a independent islamic kashmir is a viable option.

SO you disagree with Yasin Malik here?

An Islamic Independent Kashmir is not going to happen either. Everyone is against it: China, Russia, EU, USA...all the world powers are against it. It will create tremendous instability in the region and become a fertile recruiting-ground for Islamic insurgents to create problems all over Asia.

Unless of course, the Armies of Islam can pull off a shocker, and drive out the IA.

 

[Flintlock]

dabong, do you think the Hindus of Jammu will willingly agree to live in an Islamic state?

Obviously not. Hence my prediction of a massive civil war.

 

[su-47]

I love the way you jump to an extreme.

Scenario 1:
The Indian Army unilaterally vacates the kashmir valley.........the only way the indian hindu terrorist's army is going to vacate kashmir is if the mujahideen wipe the indian hindu terror enity out.
Brother mujahideen from Iraq ,Afghanistan to Chechnya will soon be arriving in kashmir once mushy has gone.

nah. they are too busy dying in their own homelands. besides, indian army was in kashmir since '89. the chechens, iraqis and afghans didnt give a f*** about kashmir then. why should they bother now, especially since they are embroiled in their own wars?

bottom line-your fundamentalist dreams wont come true.

Scenario 2:
The Indian army unilaterally vacates the entire J&K region. Immediately a bloody civil war will erupt between the Hindus of Jammu and the Muslims of Kashmir.
You forget that muslims and hindu lived in peace, it was when the indian hindu terrorist outfit turned up numbering half a million that caused all the problem.

no its when pakistan sponsored jihadis started crossing the border and attacking india when the troubles started.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Care to provide me with instances as to where exactly has India meddled to an extent that you're implying?

Hasn't Pakistan meddleds in India's affairs too?

I don't mind this "meddling," per se, because it is carried out by every country against almost every one of its pseudo-hostile counterparts.

So to use this argument as the basis of terming the IA as a terrorist organization goes beyond my logic.

East Pakistan.

Since Kashmir is disputed territory, Pakistan's attempts to get India to offer the right of plebiscite as demanded in UNSC resolutions and the Instrument of accession, would not be interference in India's affairs. Kashmir is not a part of India or Pakistan at this point.

I am not sure IA shoudl be compared to Iran's Republican Guard. The Iraqi Army against the Kurds and Shia under Saddam perhaps.