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So indians moving their illegal occupation and moving out needed a clapping? Seriously?


india should have done that decades ago! The fact that they didnt even last a few yrs shows they werent serious!

If india moved "out" ...how did this happen? Who did they kill? What did they riot against? Who was the violence against?
india wanted to! It didnt have to! Political differences is the right of the people! india went to oppressing and violence on people IT CLAIMS TO BE ITS OWN?! THAT sounds even more evil than anything! Considering half you claim Kashmir to be yours yet dont even give them the power to oppose / express?

Even Paris didnt start shooting the children that opposes their stance neither did USA!!

Thank you for proving india oppressed Kashmiri and didnt just illegally occupy their land against international agreements BUT also started killing the children of the state!

Let's agree to disagree and move on. It is patent you have no consideration for India's perception and/or point of view on the issue. As such, I do not believe there is any point to continuing this discussion.

Now you know why India doesn't bother trying to talk Kashmir. Our opinions dont matter to you. So be it.
 
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We don't agree, since by the same resolution, you should not be present at all in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, including GB, which btw you declared as province of Pakistan.

So once you vacate those areas and hand them over to India, then you can tell us, what our responsibilities as per subsequent parts of UN resolutions.

No, Pakistan is under no obligation to withdraw its forces unilaterally and unconditionally from Pak-Administered Kashmir, and handing over any territory to India was never agreed upon.

I suggest you read the UN Resolutions first
 
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It is patent you have no consideration for India's perception and/or point of view on the issue. As such, I do not believe there is any point to continuing this discussion.
india is denying international treaties like a mindless child while hiding from UNHC!

Now you know why India doesn't bother trying to talk Kashmir. Our opinions dont matter to you. So be it.
Your "opinions" dont matter because they are not accepted on international level and equated to a thief stealing and ranting about why he has to sit through a trial!

I suggest you read the UN Resolutions first
Either indians have not and are trolling or they dont want to accept and thus are in delusion!
 
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"Pakistan on Tuesday firmly rejected an Indian claim to Kashmir as an “integral part” of India."
I have read that, just comments made by some xyz Pak minister. When was the last time UNSC discuss Kashmir issue?
Good you quoted Shimla agreement, with the same Shimla agreement, any third party intervention in the issue is not possible. Because the issue will be solved bilaterally. Carefully read the wording, there is no clause which agrees on Jammu and Kashmir and AJK, GB as disputed, rather it simply says any differences will be resolved through negotiations.

  1. That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organisation, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations.
As for the comments of UNHRC, we know the clown who headed UNHRC had his own interest, my sympathies for the lost opportunity since his term ended. Now try your luck for such a cooked comment.


What's the troll comment, you are the one who said they are football playing kids.


Yeah, moral support for killing. Please go through the comments on the thread. It's simply unbecoming of a defense forum.



Did I or did I not tell you to stick to bragging about beating Indians in the US (in imagination ofcourse)?
Jog on boi. Not interested in your hoopla.

Black slum dog, do you not understand that you are unwanted here? This is like your seventh account on this forum, but like a cheap unhinged whore you come back again and again to show your tears. We don't care. What you cry about with your randi rona on the site has no bearings to reality. We will take Kashmir and there's nothing you can do about it. I'd suggest you literally find a pot to piss and shit in as there is not much else your weak *** country can do.
 
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No, Pakistan is under no obligation to withdraw its forces unilaterally and unconditionally from Pak-Administered Kashmir, and handing over any territory to India was never agreed upon.

I suggest you read the UN Resolutions first

I have, have you? The first step, of UN resolution states, Pakistan to withdraw all Pakistanis from J&K, but rather than withdrawing from J&K, you are incorporating parts of J&K into Pakistan.
 
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Your "opinions" dont matter because they are not accepted on international level and equated to a thief stealing and ranting about why he has to sit through a trial!

That opinion is supported by 1.3 billion votes, backed up by the 4th largest military in the world, with enough nuclear weapons to reduce Asia to radioactive dust. Furthermore, possession is 90% of the law. It doesn't matter what you or Pakistan believes is the value of our opinion. Unless you can remove us by force or by any other means, our opinion in this matter is the law and reality, secured by absolute might, if it comes to that.

That's your reality, no matter what law you throw at us. If you or Pakistan believes that India or any country will vacate their possession just because some resolution says so, good for you. No happening until India decides to.
 
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That opinion is supported by 1.3 billion votes,
None of which are living on Mars!

Interesting enough the 1.3 billion are alien to the world rules and regulations!

backed up by the 4th largest military in the world
Which shoots children ...nothing to be proud of!

Furthermore, possession is 90% of the law.
Yet ignorant about world laws!

It doesn't matter what you or Pakistan believes is the value of our opinion.
It does matter since Kashmir is a disputed territory and we are a stakeholder in the talks!

Unless you can remove us by force or by any other means, our opinion in this matter is the law and reality, secured by absolute might, if it comes to that.
india can never understand "talks" we see it when india hides from call for talks on Kashmir!

Force is the only thing they know and which they use to kill innocent Kashmiri! You are acknowledging your own language is force!

Thank you for acknowledging you are barbarians!

That's your reality, no matter what law you throw at us. If you or Pakistan believes that India or any country will vacate their possession just because some resolution says so, good for you. No happening until India decides to.
At least you speak the truth that you are forcefully occupying land! Thank you for agreeing!
 
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I have, have you? The first step, of UN resolution states, Pakistan to withdraw all Pakistanis from J&K, but rather than withdrawing from J&K, you are incorporating parts of J&K into Pakistan.

Yes, I have .. That's why I, unlike you, know what I am talking about.

Let me educate you on "the steps" :

Step 1. A Truce Agreement is concluded
Step 2. Pakistan begins withdrawing its troops
Step 3. India too begins withdrawing its troops (to a minimum level) while Pakistani troops are being withdrawn
Step 4. Plebiscite by UN

A Truce Agreement was never reached because India rejected all demilitarization plans proposed by the UN. Pakistan accepted all.

As Truce Agreement could not be concluded, the Commission never notified Pakistan to begin withdrawing its forces.

Pakistan had made it clear to the UN that it was ready to withdraw its troops as soon as the Commission notified it,

Pakistan went a step further and told the UN that it was ready to withdraw its troops in favor of UN troops regardless of Indian reaction to such a proposal ...


There's a reason for which the UN appointed official mediator (i.e Sir Owen Dixon) blamed India and not Pakistan for halting the process ...
 
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those areas are 100% Muslim, they hate hindus and indians and dont want to be anywhere near a hindu india

We really don't care about their religion, either follow UN resolutions to the letter and vacate that area, or you can shove them, and keep crying.

Yes, I have .. That's why I, unlike you, know what I am talking about.

Let me educate you on "the steps" :

Step 1. A Truce Agreement is concluded
Step 2. Pakistan begins withdrawing its troops
Step 3. India too begins withdrawing its troops (to a minimum level) while Pakistani troops are being withdrawn
Step 4. Plebiscite by UN

A Truce Agreement was never reached because India rejected all demilitarization plans proposed by the UN. Pakistan accepted all.

As Truce Agreement could not be concluded, the Commission never notified Pakistan to begin withdrawing its forces.

Pakistan had made it clear to the UN that it was ready to withdraw its troops as soon as the Commission notified it,

Pakistan went a step further and told the UN that it was ready to withdraw its troops in favor of UN troops regardless of Indian reaction to such a proposal ...


There's a reason for which the UN appointed official mediator (i.e Sir Owen Dixon) blamed India and not Pakistan for halting the process ...

What is 1948 Karachi agreement ?

Resolution 47 (1948)
On the India-Pakistan question submitted jointly by the Representatives for
Belgium, Canada, China, Colombia, the United Kingdom and United States
of America and adopted by the Security Council at its 286th meeting held on
21 April, 1948.
(Document No. 5/726, dated the 21st April, 1948).


THE SECURITY COUNCIL
Having considered the complaint of the Government of India concerning the dispute over the State
of Jammu and Kashmir, having heard the representative of India in support of that complaint and the
reply and counter complaints of the representative of Pakistan. Being strongly of opinion that the
early restoration of peace and order in Jammu and Kashmir is essential and that India and Pakistan
should do their utmost to bring about cessation of all fighting. Noting with satisfaction that both India
and Pakistan desire that the question of the accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan
should be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite, Considering that
the continuation of the dispute is likely to endanger international peace and security,
Reaffirms its resolution 38 (1948) of 17 January 1948;

Resolves that the membership of the Commission established by its resolution 39 (1948) of 20
January 1948, shall be increased to five and shall include, in addition to the membership mentioned
in that Resolution, representatives of... and ..., and that if the membership of the Commission has not
been completed within ten days from the date the adoption of this resolution the President of the
Council may designate such other Member or Members of the United Nations as are required to
complete the membership of five;

Instructs the Commission to proceed at once to the Indian subcontinent and there place its good
offices and mediation at the disposal of the Governments of India and Pakistan with a view to
facilitating the taking of the necessary measures, both with respect to the restoration of peace and
order and to the holding of a plebiscite by the two (Governments, acting in co-operation with one
another and with the Commission, and further instructs the Commission to keep the Council
informed of the action taken under the resolution; and, to this end.

Recommends to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following measures as those which in the
opinion of the Council and appropriate to bring about a cessation of the lighting and to create proper
conditions for a free and impartial plebiscite to decide whether the State of Jammu and Kashmir is to
accede to India or Pakistan.

A - RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER

1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes
of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of
material aid to those fighting in the State;

(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following
paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or
party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and
that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

2
. The Government of India should:

(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the
Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for
the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the
Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing
them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the
maintenance of law and order;

(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of
each stage; When the Indian forces shall have been reduced to the minimum strength
mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the
remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:

(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of
intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located
within their present base area.

3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the plebiscite administration referred
to below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces
and policy provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the
Plebiscite Administrator.

4. After the plan referred to in paragraph 2 (a) above has been put into operation, personnel
recruited locally in each district should so far as possible be utilised for the re-establishment and
maintenance of law and order with due regard to protection )t minorities, subject to such additional
requirements as may be specified by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.

5. If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement
of both the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such
forces of either Dominion as it deems t(effective for the purpose of pacification.

B - PLEBISCITE

6. The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the
major political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the
conduct of the administration at the ministerial level, while the plebiscite is being prepared and
carried out.

7. The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a
Plebiscite Administration to hold a Plebiscite as soon as possible ()n the question of the accession of
the State to India or Pakistan.

8. The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the
Plebiscite Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and
impartial plebiscite including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces
and police.

9. The Government of India should at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available
from the Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the
performance of its functions.

10. (a) The Government of India should agree that a nominee of the Secretary-General of the United
Nations will be appointed to be the Plebiscite Administrator. The Plebiscite Administrator, acting as
an officer of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, should have authority to nominate the assistants and
other subordinates and to draft regulations governing the Plebiscite. Such nominees should be
formally appointed and such draft regulations should be formally promulgated by the State of Jammu
and Kashmir.

The Government of India should undertake that the Government of Jammu and Kashmir will appoint
fully qualified persons nominated by the Plebiscite Administrator to act as special magistrates within
the State judicial system to hear cases which in the opinion of the Plebiscite Administrator have a
serious bearing on the preparation and the conduct of a free and impartial plebiscite. The terms of
service of the Administrator should form the subject of a separate negotiation between the
Secretary-General of the United Nations and the Government of India. The Administrator should fix
the terms of service for his assistants and subordinates.

The Administrator should have the right to communicate directly, with the Government of the State
and with the Commission of the Security Council and, through the Commission, with the Security
Council, with the Governments of India and Pakistan and with their representatives with the
Commission. It would be his duty to bring to the notice of any or all of the foregoing (as he in his
discretion may decide) any circumstances arising which may tend, in his opinion, to interfere with the
freedom of the Plebiscite.

11. The Government of India should undertake to prevent to give full support to the Administrator
and his staff in preventing any threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the
voters in the plebiscite, and the Government of India should publicly announce and should cause the
Government of the State to announce this undertaking as an international obligation binding on all
public authorities and officials in Jammu and Kashmir.

12. The Government of India should themselves and through the Government of the State declare
and make known that all subjects of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, regardless of creed, caste or
party, will be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of
the State and that there will be freedom of the Press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in
the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit.

13. The Government of India should use and should ensure that the Government of the State also
use their best endeavour to effect the withdrawal from the State of all Indian nationals other than
those who are normally resident therein or who on or since 15th August 1947 have entered it for a
lawful purpose.

14. The Government of India should ensure that the Government of the State releases all political
prisoners and take all possible steps so that:

(a) all citizens of the State who have left it on account of disturbances are invited and are free
to return to their homes and to exercise their rights as such citizens;
(b) there is no victimisation; minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate
protection.

15. The Commission of the Security Council should at the end of the plebiscite certify to the Council
whether the plebiscite has or has not been really free and impartial.

C - GENERAL PROVISIONS

16. The Governments of India and Pakistan should each be invited to nominate a representative to
be attached to the Commission for such assistance as it may require in the performance of its task.

17. The Commission should establish in Jammu and Kashmir such observers as it may require of any
of the proceedings in pursuance of the measures indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.

18. The Security Council Commission should carry out the tasks assigned to it herein.

The Security Council voted on this Resolution on 21-41948 with the following result:
In favour: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, China, France, Syria, U.K. and U.S.A.
Against: None
Abstaining: Belgium, Colombia, Ukrainian S.S.R. and U.S.S.R.
 
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We can discuss it once you understand what the UN Resolutions on Kashmir actually say

There is not much to discuss, since you are cherrypicking the parts that suit your narrative.. I have posted the exact text of UN resolution above.

First step of resolution is indeed withdrawal of all Pakistanis from Kashmir.
 
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There is not much to discuss, since you are cherrypicking the parts that suit your narrative.. I have posted the exact text of UN resolution above.

First step of resolution is indeed withdrawal of all Pakistanis from Kashmir.

See you don't know what you are talking about. We are discussing the UN Commission’s resolution of 13 August 1948 .. and you have copy-pasted the April 21 Resolution, The United Nations Security Council Resolution47, adopted on April 21, 1948 ... :coffee:
 
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No, but if say China comes and takes over your neighbourhood, dont you think kids will fight back? It is common in oppressed region!
Wrong analogy, Kashmir aceeded to India we just didn't came in and took over. Anyway it's good to have child soldier apologist among us.
 
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Wrong analogy, Kashmir aceeded to India we just didn't came in and took over. Anyway it's good to have child soldier apologist among us.
You are not allowing them freedom to vote their exit that in itself is forceful occupation!

As for child soldier...Children are not to be blamed for decades of wrong doings of a govt!! If you want their children not to fight back stop fighting them and showing them you are brutal! Psychology 101! A child only learns what you teach them! You have taught them oppression and oppression begets resistance!
 
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