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do india and pakistan have any progressive state ideology at all?? maybe i am unsuited to this "defense forum" where silly hates flow so freely.
Jamahir, you're a higher being and I respect the fact that you put humanity before anything else.
But let me remind you "when in Rome do as the Roman do".
I find it very idealistic to talk of humanity when your country is being threatened with a nuclear war. Thats me- a piddly human being.
 
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Hi

Whenever you donate blood, they cross match your blood group first.
If they match, the patient receive the pack of blood.

What happen when you give blood to someone whose blood group is different?
That blood kills whole body as it circulate through body via arteries and veins.

Same is case with organ donation, you cannot receive the organ in your body who is not part of you or not cross match you. If you do you are creating big trouble for you, slow painful death in which cancer start from organ and spread in entire body, ultimately killing you.


Same is situation with Kashmir and India.
It was never part of India and will never be.
Regionally, religiously, politically, historically, geographically, traditionally, socially and economically it is much close to Pakistan.

But India love to play evil guy here, for accessing land route to Middle Asia and Europe, for cutting land link of Pakistan with China, to develop strong grip over Afghanistan and Iran, to control rivers of Pakistan and to gain unbeatable strategic advantage in region, India need Kashmir, whole of it along with Gilgit and Baltustan.........

And this greed will kill India some day.
India is big country and strong too. But a strong thing is as strong as its weakest point.
And Kashmir is India weakest point.
Someday it will kill India surely but steadily. And Pakistan knows it very well .........
Cancer is already there, you need to facilitate it's spread and get the job done.......

Kashmir is MORE THAN enough to bleed India to death, all we have to do is to provide the cut and prevent blood from cloting......
final result?
First weakness, then dizziness then fainting out then extreme shivering then suffocation and ultimately a slow painful death due to wastage of excessive blood :-)

Death of India will start from Kashmir
MARK MY WORDS ........

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Kashmir Valley cannot Bleed India
ByRSN Singh

IssueNet Edition| Date : 18 Apr , 2016

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Kashmir is again on the boil. It is cyclical feature the periodicity of which is determined by political developments within the state and the vicissitudes of Pakistan state. At present a new government has been ushered in J&K.The reverberation of these intrinsic and extrinsic events in terms of violence and stone pelting at security forces was expected as in before. All that it takes in the Valley to create ‘triggers’ is a new abysmal of already sunken human values. This time it began with the violence against nationalist students by the anti-nationals.

In the prevailing environment of jihadi terror, it is a tough call for the Indian Security Forces to protect their mothers and sisters in the Valley from the demands and depredations of militants from across in the name of Jihad.

The international narrative went definitely in favour of the nationalists, something that unsettled the jihadi minds in the Valley. The national sentiment was aghast at the temerity of the anti-nationals in the NIT campus. After all the national flag and cheering the Indian Cricket team could not be a crime in India. Not contended, the anti-nationals ratcheted their anti-India tirade, to another level with the patent theme, i.e. ‘rape by Indian Army’. The ostensible victim was caught unawares and her innocence suffused the fabrication. Her tender heart could not lie, it triumphed over the diabolical conspiracy which the pro-Pakistan elements in the Valley are adept at. She was askance at the very suggestion of rape. Juxtaposing the video footage of the original version with the revised one says it all. Seeing the script fail, the anti-nationals threatened her mother to disown the statement by her daughter. It is not uncommon for mothers in the Valley to make such sacrifice of family honour to the whims of jihadis in the name of jihad!

The mother’s revised version extracted under duress betrayed lack of credibility and conviction. But lies, fraud and diabolism have fed militancy and separatism in Kashmir all through. In the process, the biggest hit has been taken by the present generation. Any society bereft of character of it youth has no future.

To those who are anti-India, which includes elements within as well, it must be said that the security posturing of the Indian State demonstrates clearly as to who are the perpetrators and where are the victims, who are the sinners and who are the sinned, and the direction from which the toxic winds blow. In this regard the security fencing on Indo-Pak border and Indo-Bangladesh border are crying testimonies. These fences have been erected by India not for physical security reasons alone, they also are a reaction the ideological attack that India is being constantly subjected to since partition. The partition of Indian sub-continent in 1947 has not resolved the physical and ideological security problems of India as a post-independence nation-state. Vote bank politics in India has ensured that it does not happen. Till such time self-serving politicians thrive, the nationalists will have to struggle to prevent the country from lapsing into slavery. If anyone thinks it is an alarmist view, he or she has to reflect on the hounding of Kashmiri Hindus from the Valley. The Kashmiri leaders following that exodus should have forfeited their moral right to rule J&K.

The tragedy of J&K is that the mainstream parties of J&K, essentially the Valley-centric, have done nothing for nation-building…

The same fencing guarded by the Indian security forces seeks to protect the people of J&K, which includes the Kashmir Valley. The Kashmir Valley would have been long overrun, if the Indian Security Forces did not defend the Ladakh region from China and Pakistan and the Jammu region from Pakistan. The Kashmiri separatists have done nothing to protect or deserve India. It is the nationalist and constitutional framework and the security provided by the Indian State that permits them to thrive. No separatist leader or his kin has served or died on Siachen (part of J&K) or on the LoC, LAC or the IB. On the other hand, son of Syed Salahuddin – Chairman of United Jihad Council was recently rescued by the Indian Army Commandos in Pampore in February this year. The militants in the name of jihad have brutalized women to the extent that the anti-nationals suffer no pangs of conscience in using ‘rape’ as a convenient theme. Qualms or guilt became alien to them long ago. In the prevailing environment of jihadi terror, it is a tough call for the Indian Security Forces to protect their mothers and sisters in the Valley from the demands and depredations of militants from across in the name of Jihad.

In contrast in Jammu and Ladakh region, the fraternal and nationalist bonds between the Indian Security Forces and the locals have never frayed. These two regions have essayed the most critical role in India’s nation-building. Valley on the other hand has been on a regressive mode since the 70s. The regression began with the impetus imparted to Ahle Hadith Movement, which denounced the common Kashmiri culture of Hindus and Muslims. Its accent was on separateness. The progenitor of this movement was Syed Ahmad Barelvi, who believed that the Muslims in the Indian sub-continent have suffered because of their accommodation with the non-Muslim local traditions and environment. Barelvi was killed in his Jihad against Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

In the Valley, the intellectual class that emerged post-1947 became adherents to this concept. The Jamait-e-Islami (JeI) through its schools began to fan this movement with ‘do or die’ fervor. It may be instructive to know that few years back when the High Court in Bangladesh cancelled registration of JeI as a political party, the major arguments against it were that it did not recognize people as all source of power, and also that Jammat is a chapter of foreign organization born in India with units all over the world. The phenomenon persists. Like many other parts of the world the Valley seems to subsist on who is and who not is a Muslim, and what is true Islam and what is heresy.

A segment of people living in the Kashmir Valley, which constitutes only eight percent of the total area of J&K with no border sensitivities, with no sacrifices for India, enjoying the protection of Indian Armed Forces…

The tragedy of J&K is that the mainstream parties of J&K, essentially the Valley-centric, have done nothing for nation-building, it includes the National Conference (NC) and the Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP). It includes the Muftis and the Abdullahs. They never tried to correct the narrative of anti- nationalism. Ambivalence suits them because separatism in the Valley is a thriving political and economic industry. The Pakistani and Chinese inputs to this industry are substantial.

It is evidenced by the fact that while Indian students were beaten up for waving national flag at the NIT, the same wrath is not displayed by the police when after Friday prayers Pakistani and ISIS flags are brandished. It may be explicable if some people in Kashmir Valley are sentimental about their heritage or their ancestors, but why should they be hysterical about new entities like ISIS. The answer obviously is known but is not considered to be politically correct to vent natural expression.

The separatists or pro-Pak elements in Valley have not protested against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) that has mutilated the land of J&K. Recently, China banned Burqas in Urmuqi in Xinjiang province saying that it is not a traditional dress of the region. There have been no protests in the Valley. They dare not, because sensibilities and interests of Pakistan are involved.

A segment of people living in the Kashmir Valley, which constitutes only eight percent of the total area of J&K with no border sensitivities, with no sacrifices for India, enjoying the protection of Indian Armed Forces deployed in Siachen, Kargil, Ladakh and Jammu are calling the shots. They alone dominate the J&K narrative as if the entire Ladakh and Jammu regions are vassal states run by them. It is time that they are reminded that their environmental security, specially water security; communication security and economic security are predicated on benign attitude of the two Indian regions. Pakistan can do nothing to supplant this. Any such ‘water fencing’ from India will prove disastrous for Pakistan. This water fencing as opposed to barbed wire fencing will function to prevent egress as ordained by nature. Human beings can survive without religion but not without water. The sponsors of Jihadi terrorism against India must realize that it is not open-ended.

The bane of India are not the sponsors of proxy war, India’s weakness lies in dealing with the proxies at home.

The separatist segment in Kashmir also must decide which segment of Pakistan they would prefer—Maulana Masood Azhar’s JeM segment or Hafeez Saeed’s segment or TTP segment. As it is Jihadi terrorists do not believe in territoriality as they consider it repugnant to Islam.

China’ strategic thrust in the Persian Gulf by way of Gwadar port through Pak administered kashmir as part of CPEC has exacerbated its stakes in Pak sponsored proxy war through jihadi outfits in Kashmir and rest of India. Thus in deference to its strategy, it prevented the proscription of JeM and Masood Azhar, by exercising its veto. India is therefore subjected to two pronged proxy war by two different proxies i.e. Maoists and Jihadis by China and Pakistan respectively. The two front war is very much on. The Chinese veto at the UN symbolized the explicit meeting between the two proxies, something which have been fermenting for long due to the exertions of ISI.

The bane of India are not the sponsors of proxy war, India’s weakness lies in dealing with the proxies at home. Usage of hackneyed revolutionary slogans or English language is enough to befuddle the government and the society about the inimical import of the proxy soldiers. It is these proxy soldiers who engineered the meeting of the Maoist and Jihadi proxy streams JNU in the Capital, Hyderabad University in South, Jhadavpur University in the East, NIT in the North and FTII in the West. It was conspicuous; amongst all slogans , there were no slogans to the effect’ Jihad se Azadi’ or ‘Maowad se Azadi’. Who could predict that Kashmir separatism could acquire such a pan Indian dimension through Jihadi and Maoist over- ground sympathizers. As it is most terrorist attacks in India including 26/11 had Kashmiri militant footprints.

It is not within the capability of any Central Government to change the religious discourse in Kashmir but it certainly within their decision-making to alter the demographic discourse, for which the imperative would be abolition of Article 370. In that case the entire country specially people living in 95 percent of J&K territory will celebrate.





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RSN Singh is a former military intelligence officer who later served in the Research and Analysis Wing, or R&AW and author of books Asian Strategic and Military PerspectiveandThe Military Factor in Pakistan. His latest book isThe Unmaking of Nepal.

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MARK MY WORDS ........
yes i did. :)
Regionally, religiously, politically, historically, geographically, traditionally, socially and economically it is much close to Pakistan.
you have very conveniently forgotten that kashmir was a peaceful valley till late 1980s. It was in 1988 when insurgency in the valley caused exodus of kashmiri pandits, from then on Kashmir has been burning.
Let me remind you that following 1965 war most Kashmiri people had turned strongly anti-Pakistan as they were seen as the aggressors. If you still dont believe me, pick up any hindi cinema from 1960s and 1970's,most of which were shot in kashmir. It is a proof of how peaceful the valley was.
 
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yes i did. :)
5-7 year wait. If you live in rural area or outside India then you will see it happening.

you have very conveniently forgotten that kashmir was a peaceful valley till late 1980s. It was in 1988 when insurgency in the valley caused exodus of kashmiri pandits, from then on Kashmir has been burning.
Let me remind you that following 1965 war most Kashmiri people had turned strongly anti-Pakistan as they were seen as the aggressors

I know about this, but things have changed now. Cancer was there from start but never designated and was not powerful enough. But now it is. Its upto India how they will handle it in balanced way. But lets say if I were part of Indian Government than I never underestimated the issue of Kashmir. A single Cut the dry out whole body if clot is not formed. :coffee:

If you still dont believe me, pick up any hindi cinema from 1960s and 1970's,most of which were shot in kashmir.

I don't watch films. :smokin:
 
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The point #1 is already there it was introduced to curb the 90s uprising along with ''educating youth'' and believing that education can change things etc.

But the uprisings of today shows that even these two have also failed bad.
 
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Jamahir, you're a higher being and I respect the fact that you put humanity before anything else.

thank you.

and the higher-being-ta comes from being a tharki, i suppose... looking beyond race, color, region and religion... tharkiyon ki jai !! all hail the tharak feeling !! :enjoy:

But let me remind you "when in Rome do as the Roman do".

you mean when on pdf be a nationalist?? :D

but what of those pdf'ers who are ill at ease with all these infantile bickerings??

I find it very idealistic to talk of humanity when your country is being threatened with a nuclear war. Thats me- a piddly human being.

levina, who is threatening india with nuclear war at the moment?? :)

somehow this reminds me of the 2003 iraq crisis when bush and blair first threatened invasion of iraq and very soon followed it up... my feeling is this won't happen in south asia.

as a indian i am more concerned ( and putting my efforts ) about removing the uno-undp given tag of india being 'suicide capital of the world'... while the nationalists stay on in jobs and put out jingoist messagery, i left my job in 2014 ( where i could have been the leader of a new employee union - the first in the software/services sector in india ) to participate in the removal of capitalism and reactionaryism from india... i am a bigger ( or true ) patriot than any nationalist and i am not being rude here but i am not wrong too. :)

alright, time for midnight food... not that i will fly out of the window like @B+ Dracula and... :D
 
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The next wave of protest has started........ I guess GoI should learn to counter the propaganda of terrorists and their supporters..... and start counter propaganda.......
They already do, dont they?

Indian media show clips of a 2003 Karachi riot and name it "Kashmiris in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir; fighting for freedom, want to join India".

They show clips of Pakistan police beating a group of drunk kids; they name it "Kashmiri people being oppressed by Pakistan".

Every clip or video Indian media has posted about 'Kashmiris seeking Azadi' or 'Wanting to join India' is fake and based off of protests/riots that happened in cities/towns hundreds of miles away from Kashmir that have nothing to do about India or Kashmir.

They make it out to believe that Kashmiri people in Pakistan are suffering and being oppressed by 'Punjabi regime'; they make their gullible people believe that 99% of Kashmiris want to join India.

What a joke... The funny thing is that most Indians actually believe them.
 
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5-7 year wait. If you live in rural area or outside India then you will see it happening.
we have survived for 10,000 years...:rolleyes:
I know about this, but things have changed now. Cancer was there from start but never designated and was not powerful enough. But now it is. Its upto India how they will handle it in balanced way. But lets say if I were part of Indian Government than I never underestimated the issue of Kashmir. A single Cut the dry out whole body if clot is not formed. :coffee:
Heard of biological exceptions? lolz
I don't watch films. :smokin:
You're living in denial. :)

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I firmly believe in a political agenda behind recent events in Kashmir
Ofcourse!
From what has been revealed of "godhra" yesterday, i have no doubt that this violence is also politically motivated.

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Kudos to that innocent brave girl .Her courage destroyed the conspiracy of anti national elements .
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She defied her own family, and braved to speak truth in front of the magistrate.

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as a indian i am more concerned ( and putting my efforts ) about removing the uno-undp given tag of india being 'suicide capital of the world'... while the nationalists stay on in jobs and put out jingoist messagery, i left my job in 2014 ( where i could have been the leader of a new employee union - the first in the software/services sector in india ) to participate in the removal of capitalism and reactionaryism from india... i am a bigger ( or true ) patriot than any nationalist and i am not being rude here but i am not wrong too
I will not judge you by the decisions you've taken in your life but i have always felt you believe in making this world an ideal one, which is not pragmatic. I do not think socialism in practical. India has had a mixed economy since independence, and so far we have been doing fine sans any fluctuations. Economy is not my cup of tea so i will refrain from speaking further on this topic.
 
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I will not judge you by the decisions you've taken in your life but i have always felt you believe in making this world an ideal one, which is not pragmatic. I do not think socialism in practical.

can you define what is pragmatic and practical?? :)

India has had a mixed economy since independence

i didn't understand, what is a mixed economy??

and so far we have been doing fine sans any fluctuations.

india is the opposite end of "doing fine". :)

but i wish to read your reasoning before i present some simple facts.

we must make ourselves clear on this very important matter.

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i will be back in a few hours.
 
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we have survived for 10,000 years...:rolleyes:

Heard of biological exceptions? lolz

You're living in denial. :)

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Ofcourse!
From what has been revealed of "godhra" yesterday, i have no doubt that this violence is also politically motivated.

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Indeed.
She defied her own family, and braved to speak truth in front of the magistrate.

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I will not judge you by the decisions you've taken in your life but i have always felt you believe in making this world an ideal one, which is not pragmatic. I do not think socialism in practical. India has had a mixed economy since independence, and so far we have been doing fine sans any fluctuations. Economy is not my cup of tea so i will refrain from speaking further on this topic.

Well some sceptics from across the border cant understand the reality which this incident is pointing .
That girl knows her future and luck is in Republic of India .
But 5 human lives were lose on this drama of some vested interests .
RIP
 
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can you define what is pragmatic and practical
In this case, socialism is not practical.
Socialism is the big lie of the prevuous century.While it promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.
Failures of socialism around the world-Cuba, Eastern Europe etc. Socialism does not work because it is not consistent with fundamental principles of human behavior. The failure of socialism in countries around the world can be traced to one critical defect-its a sys that ignores incentives.

i didn't understand, what is a mixed economy
In a mixed economy pvt and public sectors go side by side. The government directs economic activity in some socially imp areas of the economy, the rest being left to the price mechanism to operate. .

Btw we have deviated frm the topic.
 
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Kashmir was peaceful till 1989. Insurgency dropped its root in the state when Kashmiri pandits came under attack.

1989? Or 1987, when the democratic Indian state rigged the Kashmiri general elections?
 
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You need some lessons in history. :)

Nope, most sources agree it was in 1987 that the insurgency began.
I'm guessing that you're picking the date 1989 to cover the fact that the world's largest democracy had rigged elections in Kashmir and as a result, suffered an insurgency. 1989 is a much nicer, cleaner date for Indians, I suppose.
 
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