kashmir : the definitive solution

[jaatram]

Anantnag.

you don't count as a kashmiri. or for that matter as a hindu at all.

 

[haviZsultan]

Anantnag.

Anantnag (əˈnæntˌnæg/nɑːg) (Kashmiri: /Anaṁtnāg/,meaning abode of springs and lakes), (An-ant=un-ending, Naga=Springs), is a city and a municipality in Anantnag in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. It is a large business and trading centre of the valley. Most of the people of Kashmir valley address the District by the name of "Islamabad".

Thats what I found. Do you call your region Islamabad? Lets not deny the muslim population indeed wants independence on that side too.

 

[suresh1773]

Personally I think there should even be an election in my province, UP, particularly Lucknow. There are still many people left who support pakistan or independent Lucknow:

Stephen Cohen you have first occupied a region against the choices of the local people and then have the audacity to say it is an integral part of india. We Lucknowis were really unlucky to have gone to India really. What a shameless bunch of people.

MOST MUSLIM PEOPLE IN WHICH CITY IN INDIA LIVE?
The distribution of Muslim population in India is a unique demographic phenomenon. Though Muslims form nearly 14% of India's vast population, they are a highly urbanized religious community. Scattered across the length and breadth of country, Muslims are present in large numbers in North, the Indo-Gangetic belt, Eastern region and parts of South India.

Among big Indian cities, the highest Muslim percentage is in Hyderabad (40%). If State capitals are included then, Sri Nagar (90%), Bhopal (35%) and Lucknow (30%) also have a predominantly Muslim character.

In Kerala, Kozhikode which was earlier known as Calicut also has more than 35% Muslim population. Maharashtra's Aurangabad has over 40% Muslim concentration. When we talk of metros, Mumbai has the highest percentage (22%), followed by Kolkata (21%) and Delhi (around 15%).

If middle-level cities are included in the list, then the list will go far. Aligarh has 40% Muslim population. Meerut has around 32% Muslims. Kanpur and Allahabad have around 22-25% Muslim presence. Varanasi is also close.

Some of the cities with nearly 30% Muslims include Karnataka's Bidar, Gulbarga, Hubli-Dharwad, Maharashtra's Parbhani, Nanded, Nalanda (Bihar), Bhagalpur and Firozabad. There are many such cities in different states of India.

PS: If u people cannot manage the affairs of Pakistan properly & u still want Lucknow to be a part of Pakistan. this is hypocrisy of the highest order. Yesterday,there was a blast in a Shia mosque in Shikapur,Sindh,before that Rawalpindi,before that Peshawar attacks(APC). These type of attacks are goind on regular basis

70 % of the Muslim population in Lucknow are Shias.

 

[haviZsultan]

PS: If u people cannot manage the affairs of Pakistan properly & u still want Lucknow to be a part of Pakistan. this is hypocrisy of the highest order. Yesterday,there was a blast in a Shia mosque in Shikapur,Sindh,before that Rawalpindi,before that Peshawar attacks(APC). These type of attacks are goind on regular basis

70 % of the Muslim population in Lucknow are Shias.

Who said that 70% of the population was shia? Any way who cares. Jinnah was a Shia too. Didn't stop him from making Pakistan. Even in kakori all alavis and abassis are not shia even though their names insinuate they are.

 

[Kaniska]

Where did I state or recommend that Kashmir should be leave Indian Union? My query was to how will Kashmir be developed if article 370 is abolished? What steps would be taken?

And speaking of your question, If India wants a peaceful kashmir as an integral part of India, then we should start taking steps where Kashmir and ROI should have mutual trust. On one side you have Sadhvis, Maharajs and company wanting a Hindu Rashtra and on the other hand, the country's premier speaks of Kashmiriyat and yet fails to kick on the balls of these Sanghis who are out their to finish off the minorities. It is because this that the separatists in valley get a chance to drum up the support for independence. One solution would be to get rid of this hardcore hindutva, assure people of valley, rehabilitate the displaced Pandits in Kashmir, design ways to boost the economy and employment. Protect the place from foreign interference(Read Pakistan) and you will get to see a peaceful Kashmir which will be an integral part of India...[/QUOTE

You know these are always the excuses....BJP came into a major player in last 20 year...But Kashmir was an issue since its inception....Why do you always treating the Kashmiris are always special?...Why should India want to make any speacial and peaceful initiative for them to trust us?...Do you think that people of Odisha are less Odiya or Tamilnadu people are less Tamil or Bengali people are less Bengali if they are in India?...If not then why Kashmir is so special that i have to think all these things about them...Dear friend, do not try to make anything round and round...And i have next question, why do you 1st of all so sympathetic to those anti natioal Kashmir valley people? Do you have sympathy for those Army soldiers and the PUNDITS who are been homeless in their home country?...Or just because they are Hindus and if someone talks about Hindus in India, he is supposed to be communal...These nuts from BJP who are talking about these Hindu rastra all these things are relevant for UP election...But again, they are separate issue ....Again, Kashmir valley problem is much more before even BJP came to power...So forger about article 370, where ever the Muslims of India are coming to majority in Kashmir they are turning anti national..So every citizen of India who loves their nation, should support all means where any kind of special treatment to anti national people of Kashmir valley should be stopped...That was i would like to say...I do not mind if it happens throught removal of 370 or bringing another 380 or 390 into the discourse..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Lets not deny the muslim population indeed wants independence on that side too.

Wherever the Muslims are in majority, they want to secede(from Kafir states). What's new? Does not mean they will get it. Ever.

Personally I think there should even be an election in my province, UP, particularly Lucknow. There are still many people left who support pakistan or independent Lucknow:

Stephen Cohen you have first occupied a region against the choices of the local people and then have the audacity to say it is an integral part of india. We Lucknowis were really unlucky to have gone to India really. What a shameless bunch of people.

Exactly. So it's not Kashmir. Or the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Or Hyderabad or Lucknow. It is the entire world.

Hindostan hamara
Chin o arab hamara
Muslim hain hum watan h
Sarah jahaan hamara

Such supremacist imperialist ideology is dangerous anywhere on Earth. And this comes from Iqbal, from my state.

 

[The_Showstopper]

I hope you will be rational while reading my post....

Look I don't speak on their behalf but my reply is/was based on what they might prefer. I may be wrong or I may be right.

You know these are always the excuses....BJP came into a major player in last 20 year...But Kashmir was an issue since its inception....Why do you always treating the Kashmiris are always special?...Why should India want to make any speacial and peaceful initiative for them to trust us?

During partition, people of Kashmir were inclined to join Pakistan rather than India(An inverse case of Nizam state) and that my friend is what Kashmiris would probably say. Kashmiris are special because of reasons you and me best know. So you claiming that there aren't is not something they will agree on. BJP may have become a major force in recent past but RSS was always there. A fear of Hindu Rashtra always lingered since India's inception which seems to become a reality atleast in the near future. So when minorities of ROI are concerned about this, what makes you think Kashmiris won't. They might not want to let go the A370 for the same reason... Could you guarantee that all minorities would continue to get all the rights equal to Hindus in future India when we get to hear the hate speech of Hindutva goons on a daily basis yet their patrons don't seem to mind this? So you first create a trust between Sangh Parivar and minorities in ROI and then you can go ahead and speak of Kashmir?

Do you think that people of Odisha are less Odiya or Tamilnadu people are less Tamil or Bengali people are less Bengali if they are in India?...If not then why Kashmir is so special that i have to think all these things about them...Dear friend, do not try to make anything round and round..

Why do you compare Kashmir with rest of the states in India? There case is entirely different and you do realize that. I hope we don't have to discuss on it.

.And i have next question, why do you 1st of all so sympathetic to those anti natioal Kashmir valley people? Do you have sympathy for those Army soldiers and the PUNDITS who are been homeless in their home country?...Or just because they are Hindus and if someone talks about Hindus in India, he is supposed to be communal...

I am sympathetic to their sufferings(Of Kashmiris including Pandits and even our Soldiers). So how did you imply that I am sympathetic to just one. I in this forum and elsewhere have always said and supported the rehabilitation and safety of Kashmiri Pandits. So your accusation/implication is entirely wrong....

These nuts from BJP who are talking about these Hindu rastra all these things are relevant for UP election...But again, they are separate issue ....Again, Kashmir valley problem is much more before even BJP came to power...

If you think its just limited to UP elections, then you are mistaken. Ram mandir issue reverberated through out India and you have already seen the repercussions. So what makes you think that a similar Hindu Rashtra will not go the same way. BJP is already testing the waters since recent days and once confident they will go for it. Let me tell you Kashmiris have stood by India in the last three wars with Pakistan which is very well recorded yet you won't mind calling them Anti-Nationals. It is also because of Pakistan's interference that Kashmir matter is still unresolved...

So forger about article 370, where ever the Muslims of India are coming to majority in Kashmir they are turning anti national..

Can you explain how muslims when in majority become Anti-nationals?(I literally get pissed off when some Hindu makes these kind of accusations as if they are the torch bearers of nationalism). If you are speaking of Kashmiri muslims, let me try answering you(May be it could be wrong). Kashmiris from the very beginning never considered themselves as Indians, so how come you call them anti-nationals. You could have called them anti-nationals had they in their plebiscite voted to be Indians and yet after that they continue to indulge in Anti-Indian activities.

So every citizen of India who loves their nation, should support all means where any kind of special treatment to anti national people of Kashmir valley should be stopped...That was i would like to say...I do not mind if it happens throught removal of 370 or bringing another 380 or 390 into the discourse..

I would want Kashmir and Kashmiris to be an integral part of India but then again I can't force my ideas on them. I would also want the abrogation of A370 but only as per their wishes. You and me are not qualified to take decisions on their behalf.... Its the Kashmiris who need to decide what they are looking out for but if they ask me, I would suggest them that being with India is in the best of their interests.

 

[Joeblow]

true, and hence my thought of inclusion of sco/alba grouping and of uno... india and pakistan should state why they won't accept external parties if they are really being sincere towards bring peace to all kashmiri peoples... reasonable, yes??

presently, there are two transnationally influential leaders who have the authority to speak... fidel castro and vladimir putin... they should take up kashmir, korea, israel/palestine, kurdistan.

Castro's nearly dead. Putin is an international Pariah. Not sure why you always bring the worst kind of people into the discussion. Gaddafi was no socialist. Him and his family lived in luxury off of Libya's oil money. A real socialist would have lived among the people. Like Orwell said in Animal Farm "Some are more equal than others"

Personally I think there should even be an election in my province, UP, particularly Lucknow. There are still many people left who support pakistan or independent Lucknow:

So you're not happy that people are getting along with their lives in Lucknow? You want them to join the unmitigated disaster that is Pakistan today? I don't get that weird mindset. You can't take care of what you've got but you're obsessing about what you don't have?

During partition, people of Kashmir were inclined to join Pakistan rather than India(An inverse case of Nizam state)

I think one of the most common misconceptions is that Kashmiris want to join Pakistan. Most Pakistani are laboring under this misapprehension. I'm surprised you are too. Kashmiris' demand has always been their own country. It has never been to join Pakistan. That's the reason Pakistan never withdrew its troops from their part of Kashmir and dare India to hold a plebiscite. Hell, if it India vs Pakistan, I'd say go for a referendum. We're gonna win hands down. Below is link for a very comprehensive poll conducted by peacepolls. Pay attention to page 137 and 138. There are a lot of topics on which the participants were polled. These pages contain the question regarding the status of J & K.

http://www.peacepolls.org/peacepolls/documents/000295.pdf

 

[asq]

the below text is the starting point for dialogue... the author's name does not matter, the text is from neutral perspective and a very sensible perspective it is... read with calmness...


Kashmir: The Definitive Solution

*** 16.108.2002

The peaceful settlement of the Kashmir problem is a necessity. Its solution will settle the fractious relationship between the sisterly neighbors, India and Pakistan. Those two countries are true siblings. The countries known as Pakistan, and India used to be a single nation in all aspects, demographically and otherwise. Despite the partition, they remain brothers.

The partition was a colonial conspiracy. The colonial power did not wish to leave behind such a mighty nation of great population, vast geographical size and huge potential. It was the colonialists who stoked the fires of strife between the different sects and communities.

The proof of this is the fact that, before colonialism, those communities had lived peacefully together in the Indian Subcontinent.

The culprit in the sectarian massacres and the violent, blood-stained confrontations was the British colonialism.

The colonialist conspiracy caused the situation to escalate to a point where partition, on the basis of religion, became the only solution. The notion of partition itself is a reactionary and colonialist one. Sadly, the clashes between the adherents of various religions, the torching and demolition of houses of prayer continue unabated within India and Pakistan even after the partition.

It is not in the interest of the people of the Subcontinent to continue with this fragmentation and the clashes that squander their resources. It is a real shame that they continue killing each other.

Nevertheless, a practical and pragmatic solution will impose itself in response to the requirements of the age of globalization. The map of the world will be redrawn. New giant entities will come into being. The nation-state, that has become incapable of survival in the age of major challenges and fierce competition, will inevitably disappear. The new map of the world will be formed on a geographical and regional basis not on emotional, sectarian or ethnic one. Its new component parts are the giant entities like the African Union, the European Union, the Commonwealth of Independent States and ASEAN. The states of the Indian Subcontinent will, of necessity, reunite to form such a giant entity.


Kashmir:

Some people disdain the sacrifices of others. When someone gives his blood, or life itself, for a cause, they consider him irresponsible. They qualify those sacrifices as hateful terrorism. Those people cannot act as mediators for the solution of the problem of Kashmir or any other problem for that matter. People, Muslims or Hindus, Buddhists or Sikhs, may sacrifice their lives for what they consider a worthy cause. We must show respect for those sacrifices.

To look down on them with disdain will not contribute to the solution of the problem of Kashmir or any other world problem.

It has become clear to the whole world, and to the peoples of the region, that there exist three distinct entities; India, Pakistan and Kashmir. This is a firm foundation on which to build the solution of the problem.

The circumstances and situations of the hundreds of states that make up the Subcontinent used to be similar. This is no longer the case. Even the similarities between Kashmir, Hyderabad and Jonaghad no longer exit.

The status of Hyderabad and Jonaghad was determined by popular plebiscite in accordance with the principles of partition that divided the Subcontinent into India and Pakistan. It is unproductive to use the pretext that the independence of Kashmir may give rise to separatist tendencies in other states.

This simply cannot happen. The status of all the other states was definitively determined in accordance with the principles of partition, and in accordance with the subsequent Security Council resolutions which established the principle of popular plebiscite. Popular consultations were held in the other states. In view of the existence of these international resolutions and principles, no state governor, or a local parliament can legally make a decision that runs counter to them.


Kashmir’s Specificity:

Despite the fact that it has the same population mix (Aryans, Mongols, Turkic and Afghans) and the same linguistic multiplicity of the other parts of the Indian Subcontinent, Kashmir has its particular history. It was characterized by conflict between Buddhists and Brahmins. That was followed by an era where Hindu culture was dominant. The Islamic stage followed after Islam came to Kashmir.

One of the specific characteristics of Kashmir was its sale to a feudal dynasty under the British colonial rule. That family was its sole owner for nearly a century. Why was Kashmir given a much larger measure of self rule? Why was Kashmir treated as an exception when the Subcontinent was divided into India and Pakistan?

Why was the status of the two other states that were considered exceptional cases ( Hyderabad and Jonaghad) settled while that of Kashmir was left unsettled? Why does the head of government of Kashmir carry the title of prime minister like the head of the government of India? Why does Kashmir have its own flag and its own parliament? All this goes to prove that Kashmir is unique and distinct. Its history and circumstances are different from those of the other states. It is counterproductive to argue about the number of the adherents of this or that religion.

The question of religion in the Indian Subcontinent is a thorny one of extreme complexity. It is the card used by the colonial power in its policy of “divide and rule” in order to dismember that giant entity and divide it into several warring countries. India is not a Hindu state. It is a multi-religious country. It is Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and Sikh. It is illogical to portray every conflict as one between Muslims and Hindus. Kashmir is not solely a Muslim state. It is Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist and belongs to all the communities that live in it. If the rule is that Muslims belong to Pakistan while Hindus belong to India, the Subcontinent will be further fragmented. It will never enjoy stability and the solution will continue to elude us.

This illogical and harmful notion must be written off once and for all. It is at the root of the conflict in Kashmir. All Kashmiris, whether Muslims or Hindus, belong to Kashmir. It is worth noting that no logical solution has been proposed. All that is put forward is emotional and devoid of logic. Whenever the problem is debated, the starting point is an attack on the adherents of the other religion.

The introduction of religion into the debate is a clear proof of the lack of seriousness in dealing with the problem and its possible solution. It is not in the religion, ethnicity or the common language that the solution will be found.

It can only be found in the common interest of the inhabitants of Kashmir. In this age of globalization, common faith, language or ethnicity are no longer the ties that bind peoples. Common interests are. Common interests now unite peoples of different religions, races and languages.

Those emotional ties fade in comparison to common interests. A sincere, serious and impartial attempt at resolving the question of Kashmir must not overlook the interests of the countries neighboring it. Those interests are rarely mentioned. They are cloaked in religious and other emotional considerations. Kashmir is a very important source of water. There are four countries that have borders with Kashmir.

They have strategic security interests in Kashmir. It is unfair to portray religious belief, or exploit it, as the sole cause of the problem without giving due regard to the other causes. The people of Kashmir must not be sacrificed on the altar of narrow, selfish interests.

Kashmir must belong to all Kashmiris. It will be a new sisterly neighbor of both India and Pakistan. Just like Nepal and Bhutan, it will serve as a buffer zone between the four states bordering it. This will strengthen peace in the region by creating a separation zone between India and China, and Pakistan and Afghanistan. The independence of Timor L’Este is a good example to follow.

The map of the world will soon contain nothing but giant entities. Nation-states will disappear, in view of the fact that they are no longer capable to face the challenges of globalization. Therefore, the independence of Kashmir will not cause dreaded shockwaves it would have caused before the age of globalization. Kashmir, Bhutan, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Sri Lanka and India will all be subsumed in a future giant entity of the Indian subcontinent along the lines of the European Union, African Union, and ASEAN.

The states of the Indian subcontinent will have no future in the age of globalization unless they unite in an entity that will ensure their strength at a time when the nation state no longer has a place, even if it is as strong economically and technologically as Germany or France. Germany, France, and other European states can only survive within a European Union that can withstand the challenges of globalization.

Each one of the giant entities that will replace the nation states and make up the new world, will have its single army, security structures, single market, single currency, single central bank, and most importantly a single negotiating position with the other similar giant entities.

The nation state is no longer able to negotiate the tortuous paths of the globalize world. This is the best solution for the peoples of the region who share the same destiny. The reactionary methods employed in the paths have brought those peoples nothing but tragedies and destruction. Long live Kashmir as an independent sovereign state, home for all Kashmiris, Muslims, Hindus, and others.

my addtion - obviously, the governance of kashmir should be under guidance of transnational socialists and members of truly independent nations... kashmir can become a transnational region which requires no visa for any visitor... security and administrative support can be provided by iraqi/syrian baathists, venezuelan, the sco grouping etc.

You are so naive that you instead of blaming yourself blame others for partitions and wars, than you go Kashmir issue and muddle it further. As you continue to talk about Hyderabad and Junagarh you further muddle it beyond recognition.

Stop your muddling here and first see the facts from the prospect of democratic rules and human rights. Your deduction about Hyderabad are ludicrous as the fact was it was attacked by your so called Army, but you muddled it by you lack of knowledge about facts of history.

Only saving grace is that you talk about subcontinent and its people as one people who should live peace regardless of boundaries created in 1947.

That con only be solved God given right of self determination by the Kashmiris only.

 

[ito]

You are so naive that you instead of blaming yourself blame others for partitions and wars, than you go Kashmir issue and muddle it further. As you continue to talk about Hyderabad and Junagarh you further muddle it beyond recognition.

Stop your muddling here and first see the facts from the prospect of democratic rules and human rights. Your deduction about Hyderabad are ludicrous as the fact was it was attacked by your so called Army, but you muddled it by you lack of knowledge about facts of history.

Only saving grace is that you talk about subcontinent and its people as one people who should live peace regardless of boundaries created in 1947.

That con only be solved God given right of self determination by the Kashmiris only.

When did God came to earth and gave Kashmiri Muslims the right? Is that there in Quran too? Pls keep religion out of this.

 

[jamahir]

You are so naive that you instead of blaming yourself blame others for partitions and wars, than you go Kashmir issue and muddle it further. As you continue to talk about Hyderabad and Junagarh you further muddle it beyond recognition.

the solution's author is muammar gaddafi, a man naive to believe that people are expected to be reasonable and not quarrel as five-year-olds fighting over a toy... the solution is from 2002, unknown to most south asian peoples and ignored by south asian governments.

i am naive too... every reasonable person should be.

there are many with "knowledge of history" about this region, yet they have never offered a solution, for a variety of reasons.

and first see the facts from the prospect of democratic rules and human rights.

that is what the solution is about.

Your deduction about Hyderabad are ludicrous as the fact was it was attacked by your so called Army

i am socialist... i consider myself a citizen of humanity.

Only saving grace is that you talk about subcontinent and its people as one people who should live peace regardless of boundaries created in 1947.

That con only be solved God given right of self determination by the Kashmiris only.

thank you... your first line describes the aim of gaddafi who wanted the world to be rearranged in peaceful self-governing blocs and regions, moving towards the true communist humanity.

the resolution of kashmir would be a demonstration in real peace-making.

i myself have made a thread specifically about south asia... please do read... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

Castro's nearly dead.

that means he is not dead yet, so must be given every respect due to a great man who did more than most others... he must be welcomed and listened.

his country gave to the world while others took.

some months ago, a cuban medical team went to west africa for ebola relief... indian doctors in nigeria are being cowardly and want to run away, so the nigerian government has had to confiscate their passports.

Putin is an international Pariah.

why should anyone care for what western governments say?? i am not a slave to the anti-democracy of western systems.

Not sure why you always bring the worst kind of people into the discussion. Gaddafi was no socialist. Him and his family lived in luxury off of Libya's oil money.

libyan jamahiriya was a model society for all humans, where they lived in comfort while you live suffered in india.

he brought people out of huts and put them in comfortable homes... he supported every freedom-fighting group, from nelson mandela's anc to the columbian farc... that man did more than most can ever.

A real socialist would have lived among the people.

i am socialist and a careful person... i know more than most what real socialism is and where real socialism is.

Like Orwell said in Animal Farm "Some are more equal than others"

let us not bring in anti-socialism propaganda.

 

[Musafir117]

ISLAMABAD: Minister for Information and Broadcasting Pervaiz Rashid has said that a resolution of the Kashmir issue is imperative for long-lasting peace in South Asia, Radio Pakistan reported.
Addressing a function on Kashmir Solidarity Day on Sunday, the information minister said the resolution would bring prosperity in the region, pulling people out of illiteracy and poverty.
He reiterated that Pakistan would continue to extend moral, political and diplomatic support to Kashmiris in their just struggle for the right to self-determination.

RELATED POST: Pakistan to turn up the heat on Kashmir again
The information minister urged India to fulfill their former prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru’s promise of a referendum in Kashmir.
“…India cannot become part of the UN Security Council until it fulfils pledges made by Nehru,” he said.
Jamiat Ulema Islam-Fazl chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman also spoke on the occasion, and urged the international community to play its role in helping resolve the Kashmir dispute.
Resolution of Kashmir issue vital for peace in South Asia: Rashid – The Express Tribune

 

[The_Showstopper]

I think one of the most common misconceptions is that Kashmiris want to join Pakistan. Most Pakistani are laboring under this misapprehension. I'm surprised you are too. Kashmiris' demand has always been their own country. It has never been to join Pakistan. That's the reason Pakistan never withdrew its troops from their part of Kashmir and dare India to hold a plebiscite. Hell, if it India vs Pakistan, I'd say go for a referendum. We're gonna win hands down. Below is link for a very comprehensive poll conducted by peacepolls. Pay attention to page 137 and 138. There are a lot of topics on which the participants were polled. These pages contain the question regarding the status of J & K.

http://www.peacepolls.org/peacepolls/documents/000295.pdf

I did state earlier that I may or may not be right, so yes may be even I made a mistake in believing in this misconception without actually looking into credible sources. I heard about how Kashmiri people cheer Pakistani team, so I just went on to believe that they wanted to join Pakistan. But thank you for the info... I shall look into the sources you provided.

 

[asq]

When did God came to earth and gave Kashmiri Muslims the right? Is that there in Quran too? Pls keep religion out of this.

Stop spinning and stop bringing God in this discussion, talk is about Democratic rights for Kashmiris, reason is that India boasts about being the biggest Democracy of the world so kashmiris have that right as well, or Indua should stop calling itself the biggest a democracy.

I recommend for you to watch your own Bollywood movie named Haider to learn the truth about Kashmir. Dude.

 

[ito]

Stop spinning and stop bringing God in this discussion, talk is about Democratic rights for Kashmiris, reason is that India boasts about being the biggest Democracy of the world so kashmiris have that right as well, or Indua should stop calling itself the biggest a democracy.

I recommend for you to watch your own Bollywood movie named Haider to learn the truth about Kashmir. Dude.

Track the posts...who brought God into the discussion?

Kashmir is not about democratic rights...it is more do with religion. Yes India is the world's largest democracy, but can you show any definition where democracy means giving rights to secessionists? Would US agree to part with Hawaii or would Pakistan agree to part with Sindh or Baluchistan? If the answer is no, then don't expect India to part with any of its states