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[astodome]

Protest against US not on INDIA

 

[alibaz]

Would you apply the same lense when a TTP terrorist blows up a bus full of people in peshawar or Quetta. After all, PA is also targetting TTP cadres in a KP areas and a lot of civilians are also getting killed as collatoral damage and they are not even throwing rocks. They get killed just because they are in proximity of a suspected militant camp and a bomb from F 16 can not distinguish between the two.

So apart from the oft repeated mantra of Disputed area, the 2 situations are not too different. If you justify a mumbai, then you are in same vain, justifying a Lahore, Quetta or Peshawar.. Aren't you?

Kashmiri Freedom fighters have legitimate right of self determination and that has been recognized by UN . You may term those resolutions as mantras, but it remains a fact. Basing on those resolutions they have some demands. But who are TPP and what are their demands, what is basis of their terrorist act. Moreover they are recognized as terrorist all over the world even by Indian government but few Indian members of this forum have different opinion.

You say if we justify Mumbai, how can we justify Mumbai once we have passed through that pain number of times. No act can be justified where unarmed , untrained and peaceful citizens are put into such situations may it be anywhere in the world.

 

[BATMAN]

Describe colour of terrorism in Kashmir valley: Narendra Modi to Chidambaram

AHMEDABAD: Taking a swipe at Union Home Minister P Chidambaram for his 'saffron terror' comment, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi today asked him to describe the "colour of terrorism in the Kashmir valley".

"Now, even terrorism has different colours, as per our Home Minister Chidambaram," Modi said while addressing a seminar organised by the BJP Youth Wing here.

"I would like to ask him what would be the colour of terrorism faced by the people of Kashmir. What would be colour of violence faced by thousands of Kashmiri pandits," Modi asked.

While addressing a function of state police chiefs in Delhi last month, Chidambaram had said a new phenomenon of "saffron terrorism" involved in many bomb blasts had been uncovered.

Modi further asked what was the Congress government doing when the Kashmiri Pandits in the Valley were left helpless due to the violence against them. "Do you (UPA) have any answer to this," he added.

"The Congress is leading the country towards disaster with its vote bank politics and policy on terrorism," Modi said, adding those who try to malign the image of progressive Gujarat will get a befitting reply from its people.

The chief minister also talked about his government's efforts for development of the state and how it has been successful in maintaining peace in Gujarat over the last decade.

 

[Donatello]

15 killed in disputed Kashmir in deadly protests - Yahoo! News

Read this.


I know Kashmiris have been left in blood a number of times, but 68,000!!!!

OMG!

 

[Malik Usman]

funny they are also protesting Obama and USA.

Not funny,,,,,they are protesting because Obama got Nobel Prize in Peace.........What is peace........he must had given noble prize for destorying the peace of world.... Just look Kashmir and Phlastine.
Obama got Nobel Prize becasue he speaks about peace rather acting upon it...................and next president you will see get nobel prize because he will saw a dream of peace in world.

 

[foxbat]

Kashmiri Freedom fighters have legitimate right of self determination and that has been recognized by UN . You may term those resolutions as mantras, but it remains a fact. Basing on those resolutions they have some demands. But who are TPP and what are their demands, what is basis of their terrorist act. Moreover they are recognized as terrorist all over the world even by Indian government but few Indian members of this forum have different opinion.

You say if we justify Mumbai, how can we justify Mumbai once we have passed through that pain number of times. No act can be justified where unarmed , untrained and peaceful citizens are put into such situations may it be anywhere in the world.

Let me draw it out for you...

1. Kashmir Resolution does not give a right to LeT to do a Mumbai 26/11
2. People who caused 26/11 are also termed as Terrorists by the whole world like TTP and even by Pakistani govt, but few Pakistani members of this forum have different opinion.

My post was in response to Gazzi's post who did sound like as if he felt Mumbai was acceptable

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Buring is church and burning a Quran is not the same thing from a legal stand point in a secular country


While I totally oppose the burning of Quran in the US, its not legally a crime (as long as it is the property of the one burning it)

Buring a church or any building so to say, is legally a crime.

Hence the difference..

you miserably fail to convince.....

and you are forgetting to look at the broader picture


back on point, anti-indian sentiment in the valley is at an all time high. hindustan will sooner or later realize that status quo is un-sustainable.

the ground realities simply wont be on their side in the long run; what is important is that Pakistan continues its moral support to Kashmiris under occupation.

 

[matti]

14 killed in Kashmir as Indian forces, protesters battle

Demonstrators set fire to government buildings and a school as anger over Indian rule of the region boils over. Erroneous reports that a Florida pastor burned the Koran add to the uproar.
Reporting from New Delhi —

At least 14 people were reportedly killed Monday and dozens injured in clashes with security forces in an Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir, police said, as protesters set fire to several government buildings and a private school.

The demonstrations were sparked in part by an inaccurate report that a Florida pastor had made good on his threat to burn the Koran on Saturday. But the major cause was long-standing discontent over Indian rule of the contested region and the use of lethal force by police and paramilitary units against stone-throwing protesters in previous clashes.


"Kashmir was a volcano that was dormant since 1947," said Javed Ahmad Dar, 25, a literature student. "Now it has exploded."

The day's violence, the worst since separatist demonstrations erupted in June, brings the death toll to at least 80 in the last three months.

Security forces say the protests are sparked or influenced by militants, justifying the use of lethal force in response.

Monday's unrest came as an Indian Cabinet committee held an inconclusive three-hour meeting in New Delhi to consider a political package for the volatile region and a partial rollback of India's controversial Armed Forces Special Powers Act. That law gives the army near-blanket immunity against prosecution for actions it takes in the troubled region. Security forces oppose curtailment of their power.
Even if an agreement is reached, it is unlikely to ease anger in the Kashmir Valley, some said.

"The armed forces act is not the root cause," said Mohammad Ashraf Wani, a professor at Kashmir University. "Until the root cause is addressed, the underlying political problem, I don't see an end to the unrest."

Local television video showed hundreds of young men defying a curfew, many brandishing sticks and stones as they razed a tin-sheeted structure.

Demonstrators also set fire to a development office, local news media reported, as well as a court building, an official's vehicle and residence, a social welfare office and two tourism kiosks. They also reportedly attacked a police station, at which point security forces fired on the crowd, injuring more than a dozen people.

The state government banned an international news channel, Press TV, after it aired video of a man damaging a Koran in Tennessee, an incident distinct from Florida preacher Terry Jones' canceled threat to burn the Koran on Saturday.

In New Delhi, U.S. Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer expressed dismay over the violence in Kashmir after reports of "a misguided individual desecrating the Koran."

Aasif Sultan, 23, a protester, said rolling back the armed forces act in quieter areas of Kashmir would be a useful start. A bigger problem, he added, was that India and Pakistan all too often argue over Kashmir without listening to the concerns of those actually living there.

"If India says it is a democracy, then why not let us protest?" Sultan said. "When they stop us, we throw stones, and then they fire at us."
Wasim Khalid, a reporter for the Rising Kashmir newspaper, said journalists were unable to do their job Monday after the government imposed an embargo on local reporting. "The curfew is so strict, even ambulances can't go," he said. "There is so much anger."
In Kashmir's Baramulla district, traditionally one of the area's more volatile, protesters reportedly set fire to a private school run by a Christian group, apparently in anger over the Koran-burning rumors.

 

[alibaz]

Let me draw it out for you...

1. Kashmir Resolution does not give a right to LeT to do a Mumbai 26/11
2. People who caused 26/11 are also termed as Terrorists by the whole world like TTP and even by Pakistani govt, but few Pakistani members of this forum have different opinion.

My post was in response to Gazzi's post who did sound like as if he felt Mumbai was acceptable

Please refer to second para of my quoted post it addresses your point 1 and 2

If it is to respond Gazzi then you may quote his post. Thanks buddy

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

"If India says it is a democracy, then why not let us protest?" Sultan said. "When they stop us, we throw stones, and then they fire at us."
Wasim Khalid, a reporter for the Rising Kashmir newspaper, said journalists were unable to do their job Monday after the government imposed an embargo on local reporting. "The curfew is so strict, even ambulances can't go," he said. "There is so much anger."

it is disgusting that our ''leaders'' remain silent on issues like these....

then again, no new phenomenon with regards to these sissies (the occupational forces)

 

[foxbat]

you miserably fail to convince.....

and you are forgetting to look at the broader picture


back on point, anti-indian sentiment in the valley is at an all time high. hindustan will sooner or later realize that status quo is un-sustainable.

the ground realities simply wont be on their side in the long run; what is important is that Pakistan continues its moral support to Kashmiris under occupation.

I think both of you are talking about different things. The point Karan was making was on you comparing burning of Quran to Burning of a church as both freedom of expression

 

[foxbat]

Please refer to second para of my quoted post it addresses your point 1 and 2

If it is to respond Gazzi then you may quote his post. Thanks buddy

If you look at my original post to which you replied, it quotes Gazzi's comment

 

[muse]

Notice how the Free US press Headlines the story: Nowhere in the title of the story is it apparent that 14 people have been killed



September 13, 2010
U.S. Koran Tensions Erupt in Kashmir
By JIM YARDLEY and HARI KUMAR

NEW DELHI — Kashmir erupted on Monday in the worst violence since separatist protests began sweeping through the disputed Himalayan region three months ago, with the authorities partly blaming televised reports of Koran desecration in the United States for the inflamed tensions.

The bloodshed, which came as Indian leaders were searching for a way out of the Kashmir crisis, left at least 14 civilians and two security officers dead and at least 60 people injured in clashes across the region, the authorities said. In one town, Tangmarg, the authorities said officers opened fire after protesters had set a school and other government buildings ablaze.

Kashmir has had almost daily Muslim demonstrations since June, with angry crowds defying strict government curfews to throw stones or voice their anger. Protesters range from separatists who want an independent Kashmir state to others demanding that India’s central government remove thousands of Indian paramilitary troops, release political prisoners and lift laws that grant special immunity to security officers. Before Monday, at least 73 people had been killed as officers fired live ammunition against crowds of stone-throwing protesters.

On Monday, state authorities sought to differentiate the new spasm of violence as separate from the other daily protests, instead linking it to the reports of the desecrated Koran. For more than a week, Indian authorities had fretted over the planned Sept. 11 burning of a Koran by a Florida pastor, Terry Jones. Officials had asked Indian television channels not to broadcast such an inflammatory act, and Mr. Jones ultimately canceled his plans in the face of global pressure.

But S. S. Kapur, chief secretary of the Jammu and Kashmir State government, said reports on an Iranian state-run English language news channel, Press TV, of Koran desecration in the United States may have inflamed passions in Kashmir. Mr. Kapur denounced the alleged desecration and said authorities had since banned Press TV cable broadcasts in Kashmir. Later in the day, the state cabinet released a statement asking for calm and linking the violence to “reports about alleged incidents of desecration” of the Koran.

It was unclear whether the protesters were responding to Press TV’s television broadcasts or Internet accounts of the desecration from the Press TV web site. Press TV later confirmed on its web site that local cable operators in Kashmir had restricted its broadcasts.

“Today was the spontaneous religious reaction over the issue of burning of the Koran, which was on television,” said Taj Mohi-ud-Din, a senior spokesman in the Jammu and Kashmir government, in a telephone interview.

The sequence of events remained unclear late Monday. Angry protesters are said to have burned a Christian school in Kashmir. In the neighboring state of Punjab, a strict curfew had been instituted in an area with a large Muslim population after angry protesters, responding to rumors about the desecrated Koran, had attacked a church and a police officer.

In New Delhi, the United States ambassador, Timothy J. Roemer, cited news reports that “one misguided individual” had torn pages out of a Koran in the United States and condemned the attack as “an abhorrent act.” He also expressed dismay over the reported attacks against churches in Kashmir and Punjab.

“We strongly support local authorities’ appeal for calm and an end to the violence,” he said in a statement.

The escalated mayhem in Kashmir further complicates efforts to bring stability back to the region, long a source of conflict between India and Pakistan.

In New Delhi, top officials convened to weigh proposals to reduce the powers of the armed forces and ease tight security measures in some districts of the region as steps to defuse the crisis. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh offered a conciliatory message, promising talks with groups that reject violence.

“Unrest in the state of Jammu and Kashmir over the last few weeks is a matter of concern,” he said during an address at a military conference. “The youth of Kashmir are our citizens and their grievances have to be addressed.”

On Monday, Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, a moderate Muslim leader, condemned the attack on the Christian school and called on Kashmiris not to be provoked into violence. “ It is a very confused situation here,” he said in a telephone interview. “Nobody knows which agency is doing what.”

State authorities have blamed Mr. Farooq for violent protests on Saturday that marred Eid al-Fitr, the festival that ends the fasting month of Ramadan. But Mr. Farooq said those protests were modest compared with the largely peaceful observation of the holiday. He also warned that the central government must release political prisoners, gradually demilitarize the Kashmir Valley and repeal certain security laws in the region, saying that “half-hearted measures” would not bring peace to the valley.


Saimah Khwaja contributed to this article.

 

[Omar1984]

Here is the largest "democracy" again killing innocent Kashmiris because they speak out and protest.


india is not the largest democracy, its the largest hypocrisy, and those who shamelessly support the killings of Kashmiri people, just because Kashmiris protest, are just as bad as those who kill these innocent Kashmiris.

 

[DesiGuy]

Here is the largest "democracy" again killing innocent Kashmiris because they speak out and protest.


india is not the largest democracy, its the largest hypocrisy, and those who shamelessly support the killings of Kashmiri people, just because Kashmiris protest, are just as bad as those who kill these innocent Kashmiris.

The problem is If India give Independence to Kashmir (which she won't), Tomorrow there will other wanting Independence. Nation cannot be divided, just because few idiots stand up and said "we want freedom".