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If your civil society and media coverage can bring back the lives of those who have departed, then I am all for it! :tup:

Only Allah can give life and death, as a muslim you should know that.

But thepoint still remains for those who say Indians don't care for HR violations. Indian media has given more coverage to the situation than any other international media.

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Hurriyat(G) responsible for Monday violence: DGP

Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda Monday held Hurriyat(G) Hurriyat(G) responsible for the Monday’s ‘bloodbath’ by claiming that police had “video and audio” recording as a proof to show Hurriyat’s hand in instigating violence.

Addressing a press conference at PCR Srinagar, Khoda said Hurriyat(G) chairman Syed Ali Geelani’s close aide, Imtiyaz Haider had made plans to provoke people to assemble at various places across Kashmir. “We arrested 52 people most of them are either affiliated with Hurriyat(G) or Muslim League,” he said. On whether, Haider was also arrested, Khoda said “no”.
He said government has a bounded duty to protect life and property of the people. He said a large scale of violence was carried out as a result of the alleged desecration of the holy Quran which has been condemned by the government already.
The DGP was accompanied. Principal Secretary Home, B. R. Sharma, Additional Director General of Police,. K. Rajindra and Inspector General of Police, Kashmir, S. M. Sahai were present on the occasion.
Khoda said that police had to resort firing to control the violent mob at various places in the valley in which 13 persons died and 45 got injured. He said one policeman also died in Budgam while 113 police personnel received injuries, 41 of them including Superintendent of Police Bandipora are serious. He said SP Bandipora who has received serious injuries was air lifted to Srinagar for further treatment. He said that one branch of Tyndal Biscoe school building was set ablaze in Tangmarg besides Tehsildar’s official residence, Treasury office, court office, veterinary office, Patwar Khana etc were also burnt.
 
[/COLOR]Hurriyat(G) responsible for Monday violence: DGP

Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda Monday held Hurriyat(G) Hurriyat(G) responsible for the Monday’s ‘bloodbath’ by claiming that police had “video and audio” recording as a proof to show Hurriyat’s hand in instigating violence.

Addressing a press conference at PCR Srinagar, Khoda said Hurriyat(G) chairman Syed Ali Geelani’s close aide, Imtiyaz Haider had made plans to provoke people to assemble at various places across Kashmir. “We arrested 52 people most of them are either affiliated with Hurriyat(G) or Muslim League,” he said. On whether, Haider was also arrested, Khoda said “no”.
He said government has a bounded duty to protect life and property of the people. He said a large scale of violence was carried out as a result of the alleged desecration of the holy Quran which has been condemned by the government already.
The DGP was accompanied. Principal Secretary Home, B. R. Sharma, Additional Director General of Police,. K. Rajindra and Inspector General of Police, Kashmir, S. M. Sahai were present on the occasion.
Khoda said that police had to resort firing to control the violent mob at various places in the valley in which 13 persons died and 45 got injured. He said one policeman also died in Budgam while 113 police personnel received injuries, 41 of them including Superintendent of Police Bandipora are serious. He said SP Bandipora who has received serious injuries was air lifted to Srinagar for further treatment. He said that one branch of Tyndal Biscoe school building was set ablaze in Tangmarg besides Tehsildar’s official residence, Treasury office, court office, veterinary office, Patwar Khana etc were also burnt.

Like come on yaar we know the reality of all these "proofs". The puppet state govt has filed case against Mirwaiz for arson and riots not against Gilani or any other leader of Huriyat(G).

By the way you need to a little a reality check. Please correct your record.

At least 17 people were killed and 131 injured today in different parts of the Valley when securitymen opened fire to break up violent protests, triggered by reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran in the United States. The demonstrations quickly turned into anti-government protests and mobs — police said at least one was led by a leader of the ruling National Conference who was later booked — torched a Christian missionary school and government buildings.

Chief Secretary S S Kapoor and Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda called a press conference to appeal for calm, saying reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran were not true. They said they had decided to ban the airing in Kashmir of Iranian channel Press TV which had been putting out the reports.

Tension had been mounting since Sunday night over reports of the alleged desecration. For the first time, people took to the streets even in Shia-majority Budgam. DGP Khoda blamed activists of the Syed Ali Shah Geelani-led Hurriyat faction for instigating the violence in Budgam. Khoda played intercepts of what he said was a conversation between Hurriyat Geelani activists about organising a protest in Budgam.

In Tangmarg, five persons were killed and 65 injured when police and CRPF fired after a huge crowd attacked government properties. Incidentally, the crowd was being led by local National Conference leader Ali Mohammed Sofi (65) alias Ali Sofi and his son who also addressed people in the town square before the rampage, police said. Ali Sofi is said to be close to Mustafa Kamal, former minister and uncle of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

Valley fires rage, Omar feels the Delhi chill


I guess I don't need to remind you that NC is pro India.

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KASHMIR WILL EITHER BE A PART OF PAKISTAN OR AN INDEPENDENT STATE... EVEN IF IT TAKES ANOTHER 63 YEARS...... THE BLOOD OF 150000 PLUS KASHMIRIS WONT GO IN VIEN.
 
The Act allows an officer of the armed forces to


•Fire upon or otherwise use force, even to the causing of death, against any person who is acting in contravention of any law against assembly of five or more persons or possession of deadly weapons.
•To arrest without a warrant and with the use of necessary force anyone who has committed certain offenses or is suspected of having done so
•To enter and search any premise in order to make such arrests.
The act also bestows legal immunity to the officials, which means that they can not be sued or prosecuted.

The Act has been active in the Indian administrated state of Jammu and Kashmir since 1990. It came under the scanner following three-month long violence in the state since July 2010.
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That's taken from Indian site.
Another point, Armed forces has right to kick out or conficate anyone property.
 
KASHMIR WILL EITHER BE A PART OF PAKISTAN OR AN INDEPENDENT STATE... EVEN IF IT TAKES ANOTHER 63 YEARS...... THE BLOOD OF 150000 PLUS KASHMIRIS WONT GO IN VIEN.

Kashmir will Neither Be an INDEPENDENT State, nor be Merged with any Country , These Are Just temporary, Recruiting Jobless Youths will Only last till they dont have another way of Living, once they Get Jobs, they would Automatically Leave this and Concentrate on there Lively hood..

Almost all the Business men in the valley are Unhappy with the Stone Pelters and would Not allow this to happen if this Continues.... No matter how many Die, no matter how many Live... Life in Kashmir would be Normal once they understand they are getting Used
 
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Kashmir will Neither Be an INDEPENDENT State, nor be Merged with any Country , These Are Just temporary, Recruiting Jobless Youths will Only till till they dont have another way of Living, once they Get Jobs, they would Automatically Leave this and Concentrate on there Lively hood..

Almost all the Business men in the valley are Unhappy with the Stone Pelters and would Not allow this to happen if this Continues.... No matter how many Die, no matter how many Live... Life in Kashmir would be Normal once they understand they are getting Used

Lolzzz :D:no:
 
First of all, Army is No Superior To Indian Judiciary or law.... The Army special Power act has Been Formed for Quick Response without waiting for an Order to Raid the House, or Wait for an Order to Start the Encounter.....

These Special Power Enables the Army to Neutralize the Threat Easily, And Not all the Encounters Uses SPA, Ofcourse You cannot Wait for a Warrant When You see a Militant who You had been On an Encounter with ,Goes and Hides in a House , and You wait all the Day and Night for just an Order to Engage with that Hiding Militant....

And If Proven Guilty or Mis use of SPA , the Army jawan would Undergo Court-martial too, as After every Encounter there is a Court of Enquiry held
 
Whatever makes you feel happy.

here read this:

Before and after the withdrawal of the British from India in 1947, the princely state of Kashmir and Jammu came under pressure from both India and Pakistan to agree to become part of one of the newly independent countries. According to the instruments of accession relating to the Partition of India, the rulers of princely states were to be given the choice of either acceding to India or Pakistan, or remaining independent. The Maharaja of Kashmir, Hari Singh chose the latter and tried to avoid accession to either country. When British forces ceded responsibility for security to the two dominions, Muslim troops rebelled in the some state force units and alongwith Pashtun tribals from the North West Frontier Province (NWFP), invaded the state, thereby triggering the war.
Fearing that his forces would be unable to withstand the assault, the Maharaja asked for Indian military assistance. India set a condition that Kashmir must accede to India for it to receive assistance. Whereupon the Government of India recognized the accession of the erstwhile princely state to India, and was considered the new Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, Indian troops were sent to the state to defend it against the Pakistani forces. The legitimacy of this accession is still disputed.
Pakistan was of the view that the Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in the Indian Army, because it held that the Maharaja of Kashmir was not a heredity ruler, that he was merely a British appointee.[citation needed] There had been no such position as the "Maharaja of Kashmir" prior to British rule. Hence Pakistan decided to take action,
More nonsense - how on earth does that passage change the fact that you have no justification for calling Junagadh's accession to Pakistan 'illegal and immoral', or the fact that the Maharajah was already fighting a rebellion against his dictatorial and discriminatory rule in Kashmir, BEFORE the Tribal's entered the conflict.
What was Pakistan's justification for intervention? None whatsoever, just a trouble maker and that set the ball rolling for all the troubles that Pakistan faces today.
You are being a serious troll here - let me change a couple of words in your sentence:

What was India's justification for intervention in Junagadh? None whatsoever, just a trouble maker and that set the ball rolling for all the troubles that India faces today.

You dont get it, do ya? It very simple, I have said it earlier and will say it again.
Post independence, it was mad rush for land grab to consolidate borders by both countries. India played her cards very nicely and came up tops. Simple. Could have been better with Kashmir, if Nehru had played those cards skillfully but got misguided just like he got misguided with China.
Make up your mind - first you tried to argue 'legality and morality' with minimal knowledge of the issues concerning Indian double standards in invading and occupying Junagadh and justifying the annexation of a State that had acceded to Pakistan by holding a unilateral plebiscite.

Then you call Pakistan a 'trouble maker' and that 'it had no justification for intervention in J&K', and then yourself state that 'it was a mad rush and every State was entitled to do whatever it wanted'. Right there you destroyed your own arguments of 'legality and morality' and 'justification for intervention'. You are posting like an utterly confused man, more out of emotion than rational, coherent thought.
As for Junagadh, Pakistan did not have her forces in those territories, so could not "defend". Added to that is the hesitancy shown by your leaders (probably because of the Hindu majority population) to accept accession, which gave Indian authorities a reason to act, and act they did. Rest is History!
In other words India acted illegally in invading and occupying Junagadh, and Pakistan is justified in maintaining a military deterrent against India, since under your logic India could invade and occupy any part of Pakistan.

India acted after accession was accepted by Pakistan, and the diplomatic cables between the two sides (some of which I will post later in another thread) clearly indicate that India was aware of the accession and wanted Pakistan to annul it.
You couldnt be more wrong. Eradication, you say? Where?
On the contrary, India has gone to extreme pains to preserve the Kashmiri culture and its people by giving them unprecedented sops - unavailable to common Indians. And you talk about eradication? Seriously, that deserves a LOL.
'LOL's' won't change what you wrote - to argue the migration of millions of outsiders into Kashmir to settle and buy property, as you and many other Indians advocate, in essence means the extermination of the Kashmiri identity and culture in the long run. It would be one thing if they accepted Indian Statehood and the Indian constitution through a plebiscite, but to force it upon them is nothing but deliberate extermination of their culture to complete their subjugation.
What China did to Tibetans can be considered as what you put forth. Guess India has to do a Tibet in Kashmir. Then all the flak that India faces will be justified. I say, India should do a Tibet in Kashmir.
Take it up with the Chinese - this thread is on India-Pak-Kashmir.

Where did I say Pakistan decided to hold a plebiscite in Junagadh?
You stated 'India will decide to permit a plebsicite in kashmir', so since Junagadh acceded to Pakistan, I asked you when Pakistan permitted the plebiscite in Junagadh, that India claimed justified its annexation of the territory.
Jinnah's speech, though revered, can be considered a farce. The whole reason for Pakistan's creation as Junnah put it, was that Muslims and Hindus of the subcontinent cannot co-exist in peace! How wrong he was! And then after the creation of Pakistan, he makes this speech! What do you make of it?
That is your opinion, I disagree. Jinnah did not believe Muslims would get treated fairly in India, a sentiment strengthened by Nehru and the Congress's rejection of his compromise proposals. He did not at any time advocate that non-Muslims in Pakistan would be unwelcome.
"Quite frankly, Pakistan's ideology is none of your business in the context of accessions."
Whoa! didnt see THAT coming. That was NOT expected from you. Anyway, why is Pakistan's ideology none of my business, when we are arguing about justifications?
Because the justifications for accession are legal - you cannot just invent your own justifications to hide a part of Indian history in which India acted in a hostile and hypocritical manner.
Atleast in India's defense, India did not show hypocrisy in calling for a plebiscite in those areas. It was plain - joins us, you dont have a choice. Period.
You held a plebiscite after illegally invading and occupying Junagahd, and you also illegally invaded and occupied Hyderabad. It was hostile, expansionist behavior.
Similar was the case for Kashmir. India intervened only AFTER accession was signed. However, Pakistan intervened on a flimsy pretext of "helping" people against supposed "atrocities" (which was in fact rebellion by some soldiers who wanted to join Pakistan for being a Muslim state), and created this mess.
And in Junagadh India intervened after the State had acceded to Pakistan, on a 'flimsy pretext of helping people against supposed atrocities and created this mess'.

I am giving you a timeout before I have to perm ban you for even more sheer stupidity and incoherent rants.
 
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Doesn't make any sense ...for saving the chruch they killed 18 people and hundereds injured........India should give respect to shimla accord and start thinking about plebicite...be honest and be strong....
 
Church was burned by Pro India NC
At least 17 people were killed and 131 injured today in different parts of the Valley when securitymen opened fire to break up violent protests, triggered by reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran in the United States. The demonstrations quickly turned into anti-government protests and mobs — police said at least one was led by a leader of the ruling National Conference who was later booked — torched a Christian missionary school and government buildings.


Chief Secretary S S Kapoor and Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda called a press conference to appeal for calm, saying reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran were not true. They said they had decided to ban the airing in Kashmir of Iranian channel Press TV which had been putting out the reports.



Tension had been mounting since Sunday night over reports of the alleged desecration. For the first time, people took to the streets even in Shia-majority Budgam. DGP Khoda blamed activists of the Syed Ali Shah Geelani-led Hurriyat faction for instigating the violence in Budgam. Khoda played intercepts of what he said was a conversation between Hurriyat Geelani activists about organising a protest in Budgam.





In Tangmarg, five persons were killed and 65 injured when police and CRPF fired after a huge crowd attacked government properties. Incidentally, the crowd was being led by local National Conference leader Ali Mohammed Sofi (65) alias Ali Sofi and his son who also addressed people in the town square before the rampage, police said. Ali Sofi is said to be close to Mustafa Kamal, former minister and uncle of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

Valley fires rage, Omar feels the Delhi chill
 
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Nobody gets killed for protesting peacefully. There are protests daily in every city of India.

People get killed for burning property, running policemen over with trucks and throwing stones that kill and maim. Thats not protests - thats violence. The Pakistanis here are shamelessly ignoring this difference. There is tremendous pressure on Indian forces not to cause casualties but when a crowd in hell bent on violence, its unavoidable. I totally support use of force against violent protesters, anarchy must not be tolerated.
 
I dont know what part of the United States you live in, but here in the Northeastern part of the United States we Pakistanis happily say we are Pakistanis and no one looks down at us. My relatives have been living in the U.S. since the 1970's. They said they always tell other Americans they are of Pakistani decent and proudly call themselves Pakistani Americans. They are doing extremely well, and are making above $250,000 yearly in their careers. I live in the U.S. and never in my life called myself indian, i would rather die. I ALWAYS TELL AMERICANS THAT I AM A PAKISTANI.

And by the way, there is no Pakistani version of Islam just like there is no Bosnian version of Islam or an Indonesian version of Islam. Islam is a religion. Pakistani is a nationality and not all Pakistanis are Muslims. There is a Christian Pakistani family in my neighborhood, and even though they are Christians they proudly tell other Americans that they are Pakistani Americans. There are fundamentalists in every nationality, in every race, in every religion. Pakistan is a nation of 180 million people. There are about 300,000 Pakistanis living in the United States of America many of whom have been living in the United Stes for decades. You will find moderate Pakistanis, liberal Pakistanis, and extremist Pakistanis. Same with Arabs, Iranians, etc...

I'm pretty sure you are one of those indians pretending to be white. Dont forget to put your fairness cream before you go to bed, maybe then you can go by as a white.

There is a guy who lives right downstairs here who works for the UN Pakistan mission who goes around introducing himself as Indian and then further tells people around that Indians, Pakistanis are the same blah blah blah. After the Times square incident, you can be assured that we dont have high images of Pakistanis, One more guy calling me an Indian...absolutely fabulous. Every single terrorist incident in the US and UK have had roots back in Pakistan...a Pakistani even changed his name to David Headley to avoid detection....and we in America know that. If you think we are stupid, boy, you are in for a surprise. Pakistani have been evicted from domestic flights because a bunch of people just got paranoid about them. People reading urdu literature in NYC subways are routinely reported to the MTA police. Who are you kidding me? We view Islam as emanating from Pakistan as suspect. A majority of the people on the TSA/DSC's no-fly list are from Pakistan. Even credible people from Pakistan are screened for hours at the airport. Pakistani students have a hard time getting student visas to the US, while the country is drowning in Indian and Chinese students. What more anecdotal evidence do you need? The thing is the Pakistanis brought it upon themselves by allowing fanatics to have a free hand in their country. Well, we denied visas to rogue Indian leaders like the guy who was responsible for massive HR violations in India but people's suspicion of Pakistanis...pretty high. At the end of the day, if you took a poll here, Americans would say India=yoga+slums+taking jobs+asian giant; pakistan = fundamentalist Islam+ time square bombing+jihad+loose nukes etc...I hope you catch my drift. This is how we see it, even if this is how it is not in reality.
 
Nobody gets killed for protesting peacefully. There are protests daily in every city of India.

People get killed for burning property, running policemen over with trucks and throwing stones that kill and maim. Thats not protests - thats violence. The Pakistanis here are shamelessly ignoring this difference. There is tremendous pressure on Indian forces not to cause casualties but when a crowd in hell bent on violence, its unavoidable. I totally support use of force against violent protesters, anarchy must not be tolerated.

Actually Indian govt uses extra effort in dealing with situation in India. That is not the case with other parts of India. The number of security forces troops present in IOK aren't comparable with other parts of India. The draconian laws aren't present in other parts of India which are imposed in Kashmir.

So in short Indian govt also take it something different when as compared to other parts of India. They are justified in doing so since Kashmir doesn't belong to India.

:)
 
Church was burned by Pro India NC
At least 17 people were killed and 131 injured today in different parts of the Valley when securitymen opened fire to break up violent protests, triggered by reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran in the United States. The demonstrations quickly turned into anti-government protests and mobs — police said at least one was led by a leader of the ruling National Conference who was later booked — torched a Christian missionary school and government buildings.


Chief Secretary S S Kapoor and Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda called a press conference to appeal for calm, saying reports of the alleged desecration of the Koran were not true. They said they had decided to ban the airing in Kashmir of Iranian channel Press TV which had been putting out the reports.



Tension had been mounting since Sunday night over reports of the alleged desecration. For the first time, people took to the streets even in Shia-majority Budgam. DGP Khoda blamed activists of the Syed Ali Shah Geelani-led Hurriyat faction for instigating the violence in Budgam. Khoda played intercepts of what he said was a conversation between Hurriyat Geelani activists about organising a protest in Budgam.





In Tangmarg, five persons were killed and 65 injured when police and CRPF fired after a huge crowd attacked government properties. Incidentally, the crowd was being led by local National Conference leader Ali Mohammed Sofi (65) alias Ali Sofi and his son who also addressed people in the town square before the rampage, police said. Ali Sofi is said to be close to Mustafa Kamal, former minister and uncle of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

Valley fires rage, Omar feels the Delhi chill
 

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