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[Developereo]

For the same reason there should be peace so that the same what happened in the past is not repeated again. And this will only be possible if the so called freedom fighters are kept in check and insurgency is dead. This is the same reason for which the army is present in Kashmir....

Withdraw all armies. Put in UN/Pak/Indian observers to monitor the vote and let the three parts of Kashmir (Chinese/Indian/Pakistani) become together and vote.

 

[R.A.W.]

Withdraw all armies. Put in UN/Pak/Indian observers to monitor the vote and let the three parts of Kashmir (Chinese/Indian/Pakistani) become together and vote.

Peace first

 

[KSRaj]

The way to liberate Kashmir is not through the UN or freedom fighters. It hasn't worked for 60 years. The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. We have sacrificed 70,000 shaheed to this cause without any results. (I am not saying our freedom fighters are stupid, but the policy is stupid.)

The solution, I believe, lies in putting a united Islamic pressure on India. Through a concerted media campaign throughout the Muslim world, we need to highlight the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims and India's cozy relationship with Israel. We need to turn this from a India/Pakistan issue to a India/Muslims issue.

The basic assumption behind the point in bold is that the "Muslim world" will stand with Pakistan for the Kashmir issue. But do you really think that the "Muslim nations" (other than Pakistan ofcourse) and the public in those nations give a damn about the Kashmir issue? I think what has been happening until now is that statements given by "Muslim nations" in the 'Organisation for Islamic Conference' regarding Kashmir have never had much effect on their relations with India outside the conference. And there is no reason to beleive that this is going to change anytime soon. Also, many of these countries have started developing their relation with Israel, a country which may have more 'real' reasons to be hated by the "Muslim world".

 

[Hulk]

Kashmiri civilians are hostages and the Indian troops are hostage takers. Hostages -- men, women and children -- will fight back any way they can.

How do you define hostage, J&K is occupied by only people of Kashmir no one else can even buy land in J&K.
As per forces being present in J&K, if there is no violence there will not be any force, then there will not be any restrictions on people of Kashmir.

And there should not be hypocrisy that when Kashmiri's kill it is fine and when army kills it is not.

There are peaceful means also. I am seeing Kashmiri's do not adopt those means. This is something people do not understand when someone replies to his issue with violence no on sympathizes with them. Had kashmiri's replied to so called oppression with peace, that would have been a different story.

Look at case the Shopain case, the people who are accused to have raped are all Kashmiri's but still people are using that incidence to raise anti-india slogan (Matoo, Dy SP Rohit Baskotra, SHO Shafeeq Ahmad and sub-inspector Qazi Abdul Karim).

 

[Developereo]

How do you define hostage

Someone who is not free.
Kashmiris want freedom from India and are denied that right by armed soldiers.

And there should not be hypocrisy that when Kashmiri's kill it is fine and when army kills it is not.

Anyone who kills/rapes unarmed civilians should be punished.

Had kashmiri's replied to so called oppression with peace, that would have been a different story.

The Kashmiris were peaceful for several decades without results. The resistance movement grew from their frustration when they realized India was never going to let them go free.

 

[UnitedPak]

Peace first

That would be the whole point of the referendum: To achieve peace.

 

[KSRaj]

Actually it is a good strategy - first Jihad and then vote...

Almost the entire Hindu population from the Kashmir valley has been uprooted now - (I dont think there are similar parallels anywhere else in the world where a group belonging to the majority community has been uprooted from their birth place due to their religion by some people from across the border!) -
A vote after such a major displacement of people would not give the true picture isnt it? I think this is the line of argument that India could take.

 

[KSRaj]

Agreed. Restore the Pandit population and have a vote.

How do you "restore" the pandit population?
Many have been killed, most have their houses destroyed/looted and displaced. And the organisations responsible for all these are still active from across the border.
So it may not be as easy as you make it sound to get them back!

 

[UnitedPak]

Almost the entire Hindu population from the Kashmir valley has been uprooted now - (I dont think there are similar parallels anywhere else in the world where a group belonging to the majority community has been uprooted from their birth place due to their religion by some people from across the border!) -
A vote after such a major displacement of people would not give the true picture isnt it? I think this is the line of argument that India could take.

Please back up your claims. Kashmir has always been Muslim majority by far. How many billions of Hindus do you think were displaced from Kashmir exactly?

How do you "restore" the pandit population?
Many have been killed, most have their houses destroyed/looted and displaced. And the organisations responsible for all these are still active from across the border.
So it may not be as easy as you make it sound to get them back!

So do you consider this as an excuse to keep the occupation and suffering going?
Many more Kashmiri Muslims have been killed and displaced. The Indian army responsible is still active.

 

[KSRaj]

Please back up your claims. Kashmir has always been Muslim majority by far. How many billions of Hindus do you think were displaced from Kashmir exactly?

Can you back up your claim that I have somewhere mentioned that BILLIONS of hindus have been displaced from Kashmir? You simply pulled that one out of your pocket didnt you ?
Nor have I contested that Kashmir was not a muslim majority. It was and is one; will continue to be the same.

So do you consider this as an excuse to keep the occupation and suffering going?
Many more Kashmiri Muslims have been killed and displaced. The Indian army responsible is still active.

well .. now that YOU have mentioned it, can you now please provide a "neutral" link that would give the number of people displaced from Kashmir, with the breakup in the order of their relegion?

BTW, the pandit population not being able to return back to their homes is not the excuse for any "suffering". It was a reply to a comment asking to "restore" the pandit population!

 

[Hulk]

Someone who is not free.
Kashmiris want freedom from India and are denied that right by armed soldiers.
The only thing that they cannot do is ask for different country, I do not agree that is only way of saying we are free. In this criteria is taken there would be 100 of parts of world which can call themselves hostage. My point is were there any issue with people of Kashmir before the violence started.

The Kashmiris were peaceful for several decades without results. The resistance movement grew from their frustration when they realized India was never going to let them go free.

So you are saying if peaceful protest does not work you should start killing innocent people and hope they do not respond.
I cannot agree with any one,when people justify killing, because some of your demands are not met. Give me more valid reason for taking arms and I do not believe there is any reason to kill innocent.

By no means violent means should be adopted to get your demand fulfilled.

And kindly justify what peaceful means where adopted to resolve Amarnath yatra issue. What I saw in that protest is that people of Kashmir are so in tolerant that they will start stone pelting at drop of hat and does not care if anyone gets hurt.

The moment you start killing innocent you are branded terrorist and you are no more freedom fighter.

And by violent means you can never get Kashmir resolved. And this UN resolution will fail (I am willing to take a bet).

Try to take the friendship route and you will see what can be achieved. I know 2 years back we had friendly relationship between us and Mumbai spoiled everything. People are more accommodating when you are friendly.

 

[Spring Onion]

To the same extent we can post the pictures where the Kashmiris have wanted India........... So such pictures would be neutralized. Just need to google a little. So these claims cannot be used as a bargaining point along with Indian influential stand will force them to be neutral. There are always 2 sides of a coin.

Sorry mate its not just pictures but living human beings for killing whom India is keeping thousands of Army and paramilitary killing personel.

If only googling was enough to prove that Kashmiris are with India and they have accepted India as their part then India would not have needed thousands of soldiers to commit crimes against Humanity in Held Kashmir.

 

[Gilgit-Baltistan]

Pakistan has no rights to legislate over Gilgit-Baltistan.Its a disputed land.Their main concern is to build Bhasha Damn that why to get international funds they are pretending to give autonomy to this region.
Governer is ****..IG is ****..Finance secretory..Auditor General ****..Primne Minister Will be head..is this autonomy..??

 

[Spring Onion]

Kashmiris want freedom from India and are denied that right by armed soldiers.
The only thing that they cannot do is ask for different country, I do not agree that is only way of saying we are free. In this criteria is taken there would be 100 of parts of world which can call themselves hostage. My point is were there any issue with people of Kashmir before the violence started.

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By different country i think you mean a separarte country. But why should Kashmiris ask for a separare, different country in the first place? Because Kashmir in itself a separare country which has been invaded by India illegaly and now keeping huge army for quelling the civilian protests and surpressing Kashmiris at gun point.

making 100 parts of the world by breaking a country/ies is one thing while asking the invaders to vaccate one's own country and free it is quite another.

Kashmir is not part of India so there is no question of breaking away from India. Rather India should get out of Kashmir or in future sooner or later the suicide bombing would not take longer to reach that part also as it has been quite affective in Iraq.

 

[gubbi]

I never, for one second, intended to give the impression that Indian Muslims are not patriotic. Sorry if it sounded that way. My point was that there are anti-Muslim elements within India who would use any India-Muslims conflict to try and marginalize Indian Muslims. They are the ones who would claim that Indian Muslims are not patriotic, despite that claim being utterly false.

Yes, we do not deny the fact that there are some morons in our society. And although they have their right to freedom of speech as stipulated in the Indian constitution, we don't let them speak for the rest of us!
If you watch the clips of Mumbai attack on the Taj, you will see many an elderly people sporting hennaed beards helping and talking with the security personnel! Do you want me to explain that?

That's why I said its a long shot.
My fear, actually, is that Uncle has come to visit next door for a very specific reason. China is perceived as the next big threat, and India is being groomed to counter that threat. Pakistan needs to be neutralized so India can focus fully on China, and that's the immediate focus of American policy.

Question is: how do they plan to 'neutralize' Pakistan?

Why do you think anyone wants to neutralize Pakistan? For what purpose? You are an independent country, you've got diplomatic mission in all the countries in the world, including India!
Otoh, it might not be neutralizing, but more of a containment of Pakistan till the taliban menace is taken care of!