Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[schneider]

May you haven't read the article it's about Kashmiris raising slogans and protesting for their freedom no where did Pakistan say give Kashmir to me..... we always said Kashmir issue should be resolved according to the wishes of Kashmiris....

it is our internal matter. Kashmir is an Integral Part of the Union of India. They have right to demonstrate because they are Indians and its a democracy.

 

[Hulk]

Indians flaunt their democracy so much, yet they always go for the military solution to Kashmir. If Kashmiris want to live with India, why not have a referendum and finish the dispute. State elections are no substitute for referendum as established by global democratic practices. Canada had a referendum in Qubec. Australia had a referendum about maintaining dominion status. EU members have referendums for major decisions about EU, although they all have elected governments; sovereign governments, not state governments. Why doesn't India follow their example and have a referendum in Kashmir and finish this issue once and for all.

Because we are not fools to do referendum when our friends have instigated the feelings of the people. This was clearly visible when rape charges were leveled against forces when the girls were found virgin later.

There are some Kashmir's (maybe in 1000's) who want to separate with India and they indulge in sabotage, the doctors who framed the security forces was a Kashmiri.

So if few thousand are acting as traitors such violence can be instigated. Example Baluchistan.

 

[Dash]

I also feel that their can be opportunist of ISI/Seperatist who deliberately create a violent situation forcing security forces to fire. They know this will lead to injuries and deaths which give them perfect platform to further instigate the situation.

See the CRPF has told that it works in aid with state police so if such an action has happened thn they are not the one to blame it. So blaming security forces is out of question.

Now ISI if will have any hand on creating such scenario then it cant operate alone unless it buys some CRPF personnel, which is very much unlikely. what ISI can do is to buy some in state police and govt of kashmir is not a fool to shake its own chair who has been elected by people pf kashmir.

ISI just cant enter this fort of democracy. What they can do is, take the situation of kahmir and pose it on Indian govt on international forums or when they are having chit chat with their friends in Afganistan, who have not seen study books their entire life will belive it.

I think its time to commence a dialog to make LOC as the final border. That will be wise and it will save millions of rupees and lives of people of kashmir and Indian armed forces who have been fighting these for decades now.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Indians flaunt their democracy so much, yet they always go for the military solution to Kashmir. If Kashmiris want to live with India, why not have a referendum and finish the dispute. State elections are no substitute for referendum as established by global democratic practices. Canada had a referendum in Qubec. Australia had a referendum about maintaining dominion status. EU members have referendums for major decisions about EU, although they all have elected governments; sovereign governments, not state governments. Why doesn't India follow their example and have a referendum in Kashmir and finish this issue once and for all.

India has not yet gone for a military solution to Kashmir, you on many occasions have and caused untold misery to the people of Kashmir.

 

[Hulk]

See the CRPF has told that it works in aid with state police so if such an action has happened thn they are not the one to blame it. So blaming security forces is out of question.

Now ISI if will have any hand on creating such scenario then it cant operate alone unless it buys some CRPF personnel, which is very much unlikely. what ISI can do is to buy some in state police and govt of kashmir is not a fool to shake its own chair who has been elected by people pf kashmir.

ISI just cant enter this fort of democracy. What they can do is, take the situation of kahmir and pose it on Indian govt on international forums or when they are having chit chat with their friends in Afganistan, who have not seen study books their entire life will belive it.

I think its time to commence a dialog to make LOC as the final border. That will be wise and it will save millions of rupees and lives of people of kashmir and Indian armed forces who have been fighting these for decades now.

You got me wrong, what I meant is ISI can be involved in paying stone pelters/ seperatist to use any opportunity to create unrest. That way they can say there is so much disturbance in Kashmir. I believe this is happening because, at lot of times a none issue is made and issue, followed by stone pelting which forces at time forces to fire and then later someone dies and this gives them fuel to add more fire.

In every society there are goons for hire and they can do these kind of things for a sum of money. It was found that many of these stone pelting men were paid.

 

[Saquibk]

Well ...last time a similar plebiscite was conducted ...Pakistan lost ....but again Pakistan claims that was rigged....remember Junagarh

So how can world be assured that Pakistan will honor the verdict .....

the problem is that for Pakistanis... plebiscite has only two options...

1. Join Pakistan


2. Stay alone.

But whats not taught to them is that there is another option...

3. Stay with India...but they simply forget this one....

India can have a referendum on its own under UN observation, ignoring Pakistan. That will give legitimacy to Indian hold over Indian part of Kashmir.

 

[Saquibk]

All other referendums you talked about happened in absence of external influence. In Kashmir, till the time Pakistan does not stop the state policy of cross border terrorism and does not comply to troop widthdrawl from Pakistan occupied Ka shmir, a referendum is an option that is not under discussion.

If India shows seriousness in holding a fair referendum, other issues can be sorted out, which are only excuses for not holding referendum.

 

[Saquibk]

India has not yet gone for a military solution to Kashmir, you on many occasions have and caused untold misery to the people of Kashmir.

Half a million soldiers in Kashmir and not yet gone for a military solution!!!!!

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

If India shows seriousness in holding a fair referendum, other issues can be sorted out, which are only excuses for not holding referendum.

Who is "Pakistan" to ask us to hold a referendum??..when you yourself attacked kashmir twice ,tried taking it by force, failed and now wants a free and fair referendum..I am sorry sir but you do not retain any moral high ground.

 

[Weapon Of Choice]

Half a million soldiers in Kashmir and not yet gone for a military solution!!!!!

Doesn't this shows the strength of indian democracy??
Indian army is fully under civilian control.

 

[javaman]

India can have a referendum on its own under UN observation, ignoring Pakistan. That will give legitimacy to Indian hold over Indian part of Kashmir.

firstly an decision was taken that issues will be resolved bilaterally,u tried war when nothing happened and u r talking abt u.n. y dont u go to u.n,if u r so eager.coz it's better to go to u.n rather than get defeated,ashamed towards the whole world.

 

[kugga]

After reading the whole debate we can conclude

1- Every one lives in a delusional world some way or the other.

2- The term terrorist is totally a relative term it's not absolute at all. Someone that is terrorist for you is a supporter or freedom fighter for others.

3- Your point of view is always supporting one side and it's not bad at all. There are no neutrals.

 

[Dash]

Half a million soldiers in Kashmir and not yet gone for a military solution!!!!!

what will happen then, soldiers left the place for winter and Mujahiddins took over the posts.

Clearly shows the intention..

You can argue this, but I say this is bad move, at least in international forums...

 

[Saquibk]

Who is "Pakistan" to ask us to hold a referendum??..when you yourself attacked kashmir twice ,tried taking it by force, failed and now wants a free and fair referendum..I am sorry sir but you do not retain any moral high ground.

India can gain a moral high ground by holding a referendum. Why is a democracy like India shying away from referendum, which will solve this thorny issue.

 

[Saquibk]

Doesn't this shows the strength of indian democracy??
Indian army is fully under civilian control.

I am speechless!