Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[Hulk]

Plebiscite can be held so long as the dispute remains unresolved. The principle behind the plebiscite was to allow the residents of Kashmir to determine their future status as part of India or Pakistan - the people currently residing there are just as much residents of Kashmir as those who were there in 1947, and therefore the principle of 'plebiscite to resolve the dispute' is still a valid one

There can be changes in how the plebiscite is carried out (district wise, region wise -Jammu, Laddakh and Kashmir - etc.) and there is obviously a need for a degree of ground work to be completed before such a move (tracking down people like the pandits and Kashmiris who moved out of kashmir) as much as is possible), but the principle itself is valid and the exercise still very much feasible.

We are disadvantage now, as I asked you there was no violence till 80's and hence plebiscite at that time would have been in India's favor. Now I suspect that with charged environment it will not be possible.

However this is what I propose.
1) Help us restore peace in Kashmir
2) Get Kashmir' pandits back.
3) Maintain peace for 15 years
4) Find out ways to identify orignal Kamshmiri's from Pakistan's Kashmir
5) Same for China's Kashmir
6) Let India, Pakistan and China agree that they will abide by it.
then I am ready for it, as those conditions will be similar to 1947.

 

[k_n]

There can be changes in how the plebiscite is carried out (district wise, region wise -Jammu, Laddakh and Kashmir - etc.) and there is obviously a need for a degree of ground work to be completed before such a move (tracking down people like the pandits and Kashmiris who moved out of kashmir) as much as is possible), but the principle itself is valid and the exercise still very much feasible.

Talking of ground work , dismantling of United Jihad Council and the infrastructure that supports its activities , its funding channels ... extradition of its leadership ( spl. of Kashmiri origin ) to India ... uprooting the L-e-T and Jaish bases on Pak soil and Pak-held Kashmir , keeping their leadership in custody or house arrest and a complete ban on their propaganda aimed at recruitment of young Pak nationals for carrying out 'war' in J & K and in India followed by de-millitarization of Kashmir on both sides are just a few tasks that must be added to the list

 

[javaman]

Indian POV is wrong. Kashmir is a disputed territory.

it's 4 u ppl,4 us it's an integral part

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Pakistan resorted to force because India refused to honor its commitment to the UNSC resolutions and hold a plebiscite (read history and Nehru and other Indian leader's comments). The blame here lies with India's decision to withdraw from her commitment to plebiscite and deny the Kashmiris the right to plebiscite promised them.

That was the second time pakistan attacked kashmir in1965 (first time in 1947- why didn't you ask for Plebiscite before attacking in 47) and failed..now it has been 45yrs since then.Once you had a full scale war and were not able to achieve your objective , how can you go back to your pre 1965 position.

This is the global POV and the UN POV, given the UN resolutions, which implicitly declare the region disputed (since they call for a plebiscite to determine final status of J&K).

So just because India clings to a daydream does not make it reality nor does it equate Baluchistan or Indian Punjab to J&K.

UNSC resolution 47 on Kashmir in neither time bound nor mandatory..it is only applicable when both the states agree to it...and clearly India does not agree to it.

 

[Spring Onion]

"Humko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeat lekin,
Dil ke khush rakhne ko ‘Ghalib’ ye khayal achcha hai"

Aur they say

Yaran-e-jahan kehtay hain Kashmir ha Jannat

Jannat kisi kafir ko mili ha na milay gee

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Aur they say

Yaran-e-jahan kehtay hain Kashmir ha Jannat

Jannat kisi kafir ko mili ha na milay gee

The joke is on Pakistanis ..India already has Kashmir....bas Pakistan ko nasib nahin ho rha.

 

[k_n]

Pakistan resorted to force because India refused to honor its commitment to the UNSC resolutions and hold a plebiscite (read history and Nehru and other Indian leader's comments). The blame here lies with India's decision to withdraw from her commitment to plebiscite and deny the Kashmiris the right to plebiscite promised them.

Indian Govt resorted to moving in troops and enforcing AFSPA when Pakistan created and aided financially and materially the millitants who were targeting state and central govt structure in the state .

The fight for fair and free expression of political will of Kashmiris in Indian Union was soon transformed into a 'Holy War' against infidels leading to complete break down in law and order and total lack of security of life and property for not just the Hindu inhabitants in valley but of anyone who was suspected to be siding with the State/ Central Govt . , local police or the armed forces .

The blame lies with Pakistan for creating law and order problem of massive proportions in J & K and for the cleansing of Hindu Kashmiris from the valley .

 

[SpArK]

 

[javaman]

Aur they say

Yaran-e-jahan kehtay hain Kashmir ha Jannat

Jannat kisi kafir ko mili ha na milay gee

nahi milegi aapko ,don't worry.

 

[asq]

Tell me why did u want Hydrabad???...

Trust me these discussions will take us to history, and we will keep digging it up until our steps bleed.

You guys were then so intelligent that you gave some to China. It was good for India. Now do a pool, we will call all kahmiri Pandits scattered across India.

did u read my details about forcible taking over by India of all the princely states instead of allowing the promised to accept the people choice.

 

[asq]

nahi milegi aapko ,don't worry.

yunan misr romaa, sab mit gaye jahan se
ab tak magar he baaki, namo nishan hamaara

kuchh baat he ki hasti, mitati nahi hamaari
sadiyon raha he dushman, daure jahan hamaara

iqbal koi marhoom, apna nahi jahan main
maloom kya kisi ko, darde niha hamaara

Read. learn, understand deep meaning by Iqbal's poetry.

 

[asq]

Death to all terrorists.

Nonsense, they are freedom fighters and India is illegal occupier.

oppression is the norm.

India must not be allowed to use the term

"biggest democracy of the world as it continue to kill and not allow once for all the choice by the people."

Biggest Democracy no sway.

 

[Jade]

India can gain a moral high ground by holding a referendum. Why is a democracy like India shying away from referendum, which will solve this thorny issue.

Democracy doesn’t mean go on holding referendums until noting remains.

Anyway what moral high ground that your are talking that India doesn’t have now. I haven’t seen any International media articles or any International leader demonizing India

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan resorted to force because India refused to honor its commitment to the UNSC resolutions -

India and Pakistan had just resolved border issues in the Rann of Kutch area, so diplomacy had been moving forward when the GoP decided to pick a fight with India in 1965: Pakistani "infiltrators" tried to stir up an insurrection, but when locals alerted Indian authorities Pakistan turned to conventional war instead. In doing so Pakistani leaders betrayed the trust of the United States that they would use American weapons and their American-trained army for defensive purposes only - and, i guess, the trust of Kashmiris that they would be allowed to choose their own fate.

 

[asq]

bro determination is among highest in Indian army among the world...they are fighting for decades....the commitment and dedication is unmatched....

only when they kill untrained folks.

they cannot stand up to Pak Army.

they keep say that Pak. army is sending these guys, what are going to about it.


They only like to kill innocent folks.

Fight like men and stop killing innocent and if u continue than stop using the word the Biggest democracy of the world because u r not when u do such dispicable things to humans.