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[civfanatic]

How many ppl in Azad Kashmir speak Kashmiri language? Is pakistan ready for the survey and kick all the non-kashmiri speaking ppl our of the comple kashmir before we start the election.
Samething goes to Indain kashmir too. Only kashmiri known ppl will participate in the voting...

Azad Kashmir always had majority pahari speaking people .They have been living there for centuries. It is their own land. How can Pakistan kick them out. Going by your logic then India should kick out dogri speaking people from Jammu (they don’t speak Kashmiri) and laddakhis from leh .

 

[SSGPA1]

STAFF WRITER 17:43 HRS IST
Srinagar, Aug 14 (PTI) Police lobbed teargas shells and used batons to disperse a group of youths who set ablaze a tricolour and hoisted Pakistani flags at a few places and raised slogans in favour of the neighbouring country on the occasion of its Independence Day today.

Securitymen swung into action after over 200 youth took to the streets outside Jamia Masjid in downtown Srinagar shortly after Friday prayers, burst crackers and clashed with police personnel, official sources said.

Chanting "Long live Pakistan" and "We want freedom", the youth pelted stones in retaliation to the teargas and cane charge triggering clashes, they said.

As the situation became tense, security reinforcements were rushed to the spot to check violence from spreading to other areas.

fullstory

 

[SSGPA1]

For how long the educated, intelligent and open minded Indians are going to deny facts??

Please open your eyes and see what Kashimiris want.

 

[Spring Onion]

Pak flags hoisted in IHK; Hurriyat leader arrested

Updated at: 1725 PST, Friday, August 14, 2009
SRINAGAR: The green flags of Pakistan were hoisted in various areas of Indian held Kashmir on the Independence Day of Pakistan; while, Hurriyat leader Yasmeen Raja has been arrested.
According to Kashmir Media Service, people took to streets in various Sri Nagar areas including Habba Kadal, Raj Bagh and Khanqa-e-Mualla and raised slogans of ‘Pakistan Zindabad’, ‘Jeway Jeway Pakistan’ and ‘Hum kia chahtey hein—azaadi’ with Pak flags raised in the air.

Kashmiri youth resorted to fireworks in happiness on the Independence Day of Pakistan.

Meantime, Hurriyat leader Yasmeen Raja was arrested when she attended a ceremony held to celebrate the national day of Pakistan. Raja also hoisted the national flag of Pakistan on her office.

Indian police arrested some other women as well.

Various separatist organisations on Thursday congratulated people of Pakistan on its 62nd independence day and also appealed masses to observe complete shutdown on August 15.

Congratulating people of Pakistan, Hurriyat Conference (M) in a statement said, “We all pray for the peace and stability of Pakistan.”
Hurriyat (M) appealed masses to observe complete shutdown on August 15 against what it termed continued Indian occupation in Kashmir.

Tehreek-I-Hurriyat Jammu Kashmir spokesperson in a statement said: “Pakistan is the result of sacrifices of lakhs of people. Pakistan is the centre of hopes of Muslims throughout the world. Every Muslim is concerned about the safety and security of this great nation.”

The spokesperson further said: “Pakistan is battling against odds. Muslims around the globe are praying for peace and stability of the nation.”

THJK has appealed masses to observe August 14 as prayer day and August 15 as black day.

The party also condemned the fudging of DNA samples of Shopian rape and murder victims.

“It is a clear indication that the government is continuously trying to hide the real culprits and just lengthening the case by involving CBI,” the statement read.

In a separate statement, Muslim League said: “Pakistan has always been our friend and helped us at all crucial junctures. The support of Pakistan is still necessary and we congratulate the nation for its 62nd independence anniversary.”

Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (R) chief organizer Farooq Ahmad Dar alias Bitta Karate said: “We express greetings to people and government of Pakistan and pray for peace and stability and integrity of the nation. We wish for a strong and vibrant Pakistan backing Kashmiris in their just struggle for independence and right of self-determination. We hope that Pakistan will continue with its moral, diplomatic and political support to Kashmiris.”

Dar also appealed masses to observe August 15 as ‘black day’ and observe complete shutdown.

Meanwhile, JKLF (R) has strongly condemned the fudging of DNA samples in Shopian case.

Jammu Kashmir Salvation Movement also congratulated Pakistan and appealed masses to observe strike on 15 August.

Tehreek Wahadt-e-Islami has also called up for making Youm-e-Pakistan a success.
Wahadat spokesman said, “The Youm-e-Pakistan would be observed across Kashmir as Youm-e-Dua for Pakistan.”

Pak flags hoisted in IHK; Hurriyat leader arrested - GEO.tv

 

[arihant]

So, what is different. There are lot of Anti-Indian, lot of Anti-US. So what. Are you crazy with this.

We are always open minded, those who want to burn the flag let them burn. Burning doesn't hit our hearts.

 

[asq]

Atrocities in kashmir must stop, freedom of assembly and of expression must not be abused by India, amnesty international must be allowed to enter Kashmir to assess the false claims by India about peace in Kashmir.

India must allow people of kashmir the right of self determination, if not than we the Pakistanis on this forum should boycott all Indian who support the occupation of Kashmir and stop discussions till they agree to support the choices of kashmiris about Kashmir.

All Pakistanis, if you agree sign yes for me. remember this is a non violent way of us telling Indians to put their money where their mouth is. And that is to allow Democratic and God given right to all Kashmiris to choose their destiny freely or stop claiming to be the biggest Democracy of the world.

 

[gubbi]

For how long the educated, intelligent and open minded Indians are going to deny facts??

Please open your eyes and see what Kashimiris want.

In all honesty - its a hard pill to swallow for us Indians - Kashmiris want FREEDOM! Not India, surely not Pakistan, but total Freedom! I know its hard for some members to digest, but that's the (ugly)truth!
I really find it hard to reconcile Kashmiri Pundits and Kashmiri Sufi Islam existing peacefully within Pakistan society, as of today. (not a flame bait, trolls refrain please)
And trust me, I know!

 

[sensenreason]

I feel sorry for the folks who are burning flags of India. It seems not only an 'old fashioned' way of protest but kind of shows no progress since late 80s despite the events of last 20 years.They were doing the same at that time...

The reason could be the main people of the movement are the same.If I was one of them, I would want to join China and not Pakistan. Joining Pakistan would not uplift them except for a short honeymoon period when they would bask in their new found brethen's ethnic and religious similarities with themselves.Pakistan has almost imploded due to its support to the Kashmiri cause.Eventually, economics matter more than anything else...

This is what I admire about China, they have focussed on building their strength before they go head up with the US...The lesson being, the way to win against a bigger opponent lies in building your strength and not dissipating it in useless protests and dharnas.

 

[Spring Onion]

Double Standards.

When Indian Muslim burnt Pak Flags, they called it "Protection from India" - link

Some says Indian Media never show truth about Kashmir. - Indian Link on this story

Baloch burnt Pakistan Flag - Link

No double Standard. If the comparison was between India and Pakistan then we would have happily accepted your link about BLA terrorist burning Pak flag Vs Indian Muslims burning Indian flag.

But as a matter of fact. In case of Held Kashmir its not Indian Muslims rather its KASHMIRIS.

Kashmiris are Not Indians nor Kashmir is part of India.

 

[Awesome]

In all honesty - its a hard pill to swallow for us Indians - Kashmiris want FREEDOM! Not India, surely not Pakistan, but total Freedom! I know its hard for some members to digest, but that's the (ugly)truth!
I really find it hard to reconcile Kashmiri Pundits and Kashmiri Sufi Islam existing peacefully within Pakistan society, as of today. (not a flame bait, trolls refrain please)
And trust me, I know!

freedom is fine by me as long as thats what Kashmiris want.

 

[SSGPA1]

I would say, let us also see what Balochis want...

Less then 2 yrs ago Balochis paticipated in the most free elections in the history of Pakistan and voted for a party supporting Pakistan.

Can you say the same about the recent election drama in IHK?

Yes, there are elements who are looking for independence but fact is that majority rules and majority of Balochs support Pakistan.

One can't compare Indian Held Kashmir with Balochistan because in IHK, majority either want independence or a merger with Pakistan.

 

[sensenreason]

Less then 2 yrs ago Balochis paticipated in the most free elections in the history of Pakistan and voted for a party supporting Pakistan.

Can you say the same about the recent election drama in IHK?

Yes, there are elements who are looking for independence but fact is that majority rules and majority of Balochs support Pakistan.

One can't compare Indian Held Kashmir with Balochistan because in IHK, majority either want independence or a merger with Pakistan.

....this is what you claim!!! How do you know that for a fact?

 

[SSGPA1]

The reason could be the main people of the movement are the same.If I was one of them, I would want to join China and not Pakistan. Joining Pakistan would not uplift them except for a short honeymoon period when they would bask in their new found brethen's ethnic and religious similarities with themselves.Pakistan has almost imploded due to its support to the Kashmiri cause.Eventually, economics matter more than anything else...

In that case you should let fellow Indians know that India is standing in the way of a wake up call for Kashmiris.

Let the Kashmiris learn that lesson, atleast this time it will be their own choice.

 

[Peshwa]

What % of a billion is 200 peeps? Hmm......thats what we call chicken feed....

Besides I hardly think burning the tri color and chanting anti-India slogans will get them anywhere......3 wars, armed militancy, attacks on civilians and government institutions could not "free" Kashmir.....what makes anyone think this will do the trick?

 

[Spring Onion]

....this is what you claim!!! How do you know that for a fact?

The presence of thousands of Indian forces with latest equipment, the extra judicial killings of Kashmiris, the raps of Kashmiri women, the killing of Kashmiri youth in fake encounters. and so on.

After so many decades still India failed to curb voices of freedom rather its not freedom its strugle for getting back their own land which was occupied by India.