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[Joe Shearer]

you are so smart is it?

It would be nice if you could avoid ad hominem attacks; it is not wise to start something which you cannot finish.

first of all the IIT,IIM thing was a reply to popeye about how RSS has a lot of educated people in its ranks.

And my comment was very simply that having a lot of literate - not necessarily educated - people around is not a distinction.

For what its worth, there are far more IIT and IIM people outside shakhas, supporting parties opposed to the BJP and the Sangh Parivar. That includes sons of RSS members. In case you are wondering, you only have to be a member of IIT and IIM alumni sites and mailing lists to know this.

Unfortunately, to be a member, one needs to have gone to the IITs or to the IIMs; a ridiculous restriction, as I am sure you will consider this.

Secondly,Engineering or Management is just a professional qualification,you dont need to study history to make opinions for yourself.It is evident and it is out there.Everyone studies history till secondary school(even though it is biased bullshit),knowing history doesn't mean u have to be an archaeologist to do that.

Unfortunately not true.

The quality of the history taught in secondary schools is well known - biased bullshit it is, and the bias runs in several directions, depending on the political complexion of the Education Minister. There are chains of RSS schools, as has been mentioned in PakTeaHouse by illustrious graduates of these strange institutions, where history is excluded to the maximum extent possible. Picking up bits and pieces from popular literature (as one member of this forum who subscribes to your views does) is not a good substitute.

Someone has to take responsibility and have a vision on how to run the country,inflating the economy and showing growth targets helps in nothing.

True; and who is to do that? A technician with vast knowledge of tools and no knowledge of society or the economy, or a social scientist with a good grounding in these? What precisely do you mean by taking responsibility and running the country? A military dictatorship perhaps? They are also well-trained professionals, and accustomed to command large numbers of people.

Would it be possible to learn what you think will work?

RSS has no choice but to rubbish the parties left of centre because of their extreme inability to run the country well,i dont want to use logic and idealistic leftist ideas in the way a citizen doing his duty.

And when they run a state in a chaotic manner, who is at fault? Look at Karnataka, where a thief is in charge, selling government land to his son and son-in-law. Or look at the former president of the BJP, now arraigned by another eminent and very much better known member of the BJP of toeing a particular industrial house's line. Was that because he was in love with the head of the house?

And who is breaking the law of the land?So confronting Mirwaiz Umar Farooq is a such a big deal for you.

Rioting and violence is against the law of the land.

No doubt that comes as an unwelcome shock to you. Did you think this normal behaviour, something to be encouraged? Did you think breaking the law and breaking down the Babri Masjid was lawful? Did you think that killing 2,000 Muslims in riots, with the police helpfully standing by, was legal? Did you think wrecking cinema houses that show films featuring your activities in a bad light is legal? Did you think destroying a museum lawful?

There was nothing wrong with confronting Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, and Shankar Raychaudhury did so with logic and reasoning, and shut him up. There was everything wrong with turning up as a violent mob and trying to break in, and the perpetrators were rightly arrested.

Which Utopia do you live in man?That law that you speak of is not followed at all in reality.The law of the land is not exercised for any bloody crime.

Mass murderers,Public looters and corrupt people walk free making laws of the land,do you know how many inept chutes get driving licences to end up killing people on the road?

Which law are you talking about?seriously.

Have u walked into a government office anytime to get things done,if u do so u ll realize the little credibility that the govt has in our country.

And your solution? To take the law into your own hands? What happens when someone else, who doesn't like you, does the same, and has more people backing him, more guns and bigger guns, and less scruples? Where do you plan to go then, for help?

But u happen to think Slapping Mirwaiz Umar Farooq is a big deal?

No.

I happen to think that slapping anybody is unlawful. That he is Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has nothing to do with it. He could be Narendra Modi, and it would be just as unlawful.

u r right,we should be slaughtering those terrorists who indulge in ethnic cleansing rather than just slapping him.

What do you mean, 'u r right'? That is from your fevered imagination, not my words at all.

Elected representatives?That has to be the biggest joke on this planet.

If u happen to see some of these elected representatives,u ll want to jump off the nearest window rather than entrust ur life with these backboneless chutes.

Just curiousity; what else do you do but trust the administration to elected representatives.

Some more curiousity: what is your proposed alternative?

It is one thing to have ideals but playing a violin when all is burning around you is plain fvckin stupid and u have the audacity to advertise that too.

Presumably this means something. Do feel free to explain. What violins? What burning? What advertisement? Does this also mean that you have no ideals? In which case, what is the ground on which you resist all those horrible things that elected people do?

everyone has the right to say things,nobody is saying otherwise.But if people like Arundhati Roy,i dont know with what dreams of a revolution is mouthing her *** off,she has to be shown her place,plainly ignoring is not enough.

You see no contradiction in this? Everyone has the right to say things, except people like Arundhati Roy: is that it?

What if Arundhati Roy and 1,500 people march to your house, and want to show you your place, saying that ignoring your abusive nonsense is not enough?

yeah and regarding RSS,

Congress would slaughter Sikhs at will that is when they are not robbing the coffers off indian treasuries,Lefties would grab lands with a red flag and outdated ideals,they would fund their votebanks off with freebees from tax payer money but it is always the Sangh which is at fault.

Democracy my ***.

Not at all.

All of you Sanghis are so full of self-pity that you don't stop to listen.

I don't remember having supported the Congresss or the leftists. So whom are you referring to? Is it your case that if a person doesn't support the Sangh, he/she must support equally corrupt parties?

And do feel free to offer your alternative to democracy.

Considering that this is a Pakistani forum, you will have a large and interested audience.

 

[KS]

Karthik, Plz share the link where Iran clarified its official position over IOK.

The Hindu : News / National : India changed its vote at U.N. for some other reason: Iran

Iranian officials explained that the word used in the Farsi original was ‘millat,' which was totally different from nation in the political sense. Had the Iranian intention been to question India's sovereignty over Kashmir, it would have used ‘kishwar' or ‘hakimiyat.'

 

[Security]

Naair saab, Iran will never attack Arabs, you must stop dreaming. your friend Israel should be afraid of Iran not the Muslim Arabs. Iran always want friendly relations with Arab countries, can you quote me any example of any such Iranian plan about Arabs. It's the US and other arrogant powers who force Arabs to see Iran as a threat.

 

[Fasih Khan]

File a charge against Jawaharlal Nehru too: Arundhati Roy

Posted on 28 November 2010.

In a broadcast to the nation on 3rd November, 1947, Pandit Nehru said, “We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given not only to the people of Kashmir and to the world. We will not and cannot back out of it.” My reaction to today’s court order directing the Delhi Police to file an FIR against me for waging war against the state: Perhaps they should posthumously file a charge against Jawaharlal Nehru too. Here is what he said about Kashmir:

1. In his telegram to the Prime Minister of Pakistan, the Indian Prime Minister Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru said, “I should like to make it clear that the question of aiding Kashmir in this emergency is not designed in any way to influence the state to accede to India. Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or state must be decided in accordance with wishes of people and we adhere to this view.” (Telegram 402 Primin-2227 dated 27th October, 1947 to PM of Pakistan repeating telegram addressed to PM of UK).

2. In other telegram to the PM of Pakistan, Pandit Nehru said, “Kashmir’s accession to India was accepted by us at the request of the Maharaja’s government and the most numerously representative popular organization in the state which is predominantly Muslim. Even then it was accepted on condition that as soon as law and order had been restored, the people of Kashmir would decide the question of accession. It is open to them to accede to either Dominion then.” (Telegram No. 255 dated 31 October, 1947).

Accession issue

3. In his broadcast to the nation over All India Radio on 2nd November, 1947, Pandit Nehru said, “We are anxious not to finalise anything in a moment of crisis and without the fullest opportunity to be given to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It is for them ultimately to decide —— And let me make it clear that it has been our policy that where there is a dispute about the accession of a state to either Dominion, the accession must be made by the people of that state. It is in accordance with this policy that we have added a proviso to the Instrument of Accession of Kashmir.”

4. In another broadcast to the nation on 3rd November, 1947, Pandit Nehru said, “We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given not only to the people of Kashmir and to the world. We will not and cannot back out of it.”

5. In his letter No. 368 Primin dated 21 November, 1947 addressed to the PM of Pakistan, Pandit Nehru said, “I have repeatedly stated that as soon as peace and order have been established, Kashmir should decide of accession by Plebiscite or referendum under international auspices such as those of United Nations.”

U.N. supervision

6.In his statement in the Indian Constituent Assembly on 25th November, 1947, Pandit Nehru said, “In order to establish our bona fide, we have suggested that when the people are given the chance to decide their future, this should be done under the supervision of an impartial tribunal such as the United Nations Organisation. The issue in Kashmir is whether violence and naked force should decide the future or the will of the people.”

7.In his statement in the Indian Constituent Assembly on 5th March, 1948, Pandit Nehru said, “Even at the moment of accession, we went out of our way to make a unilateral declaration that we would abide by the will of the people of Kashmir as declared in a plebiscite or referendum. We insisted further that the Government of Kashmir must immediately become a popular government. We have adhered to that position throughout and we are prepared to have a Plebiscite with every protection of fair voting and to abide by the decision of the people of Kashmir.”

Referendum or plebiscite

8.In his press-conference in London on 16th January, 1951, as reported by the daily ‘Statesman’ on 18th January, 1951, Pandit Nehru stated, “India has repeatedly offered to work with the United Nations reasonable safeguards to enable the people of Kashmir to express their will and is always ready to do so. We have always right from the beginning accepted the idea of the Kashmir people deciding their fate by referendum or plebiscite. In fact, this was our proposal long before the United Nations came into the picture. Ultimately the final decision of the settlement, which must come, has first of all to be made basically by the people of Kashmir and secondly, as between Pakistan and India directly. Of course it must be remembered that we (India and Pakistan) have reached a great deal of agreement already. What I mean is that many basic features have been thrashed out. We all agreed that it is the people of Kashmir who must decide for themselves about their future externally or internally. It is an obvious fact that even without our agreement no country is going to hold on to Kashmir against the will of the Kashmiris.”

9.In his report to All Indian Congress Committee on 6th July, 1951 as published in the Statesman, New Delhi on 9th July, 1951, Pandit Nehru said, “Kashmir has been wrongly looked upon as a prize for India or Pakistan. People seem to forget that Kashmir is not a commodity for sale or to be bartered. It has an individual existence and its people must be the final arbiters of their future. It is here today that a struggle is bearing fruit, not in the battlefield but in the minds of men.”

10.In a letter dated 11th September, 1951, to the U.N. representative, Pandit Nehru wrote, “The Government of India not only reaffirms its acceptance of the principle that the question of the continuing accession of the state of Jammu and Kashmir to India shall be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations but is anxious that the conditions necessary for such a plebiscite should be created as quickly as possible.”

Word of honour

11.As reported by Amrita Bazar Patrika, Calcutta, on 2nd January, 1952, while replying to Dr. Mookerji’s question in the Indian Legislature as to what the Congress Government going to do about one third of territory still held by Pakistan, Pandit Nehru said, “is not the property of either India or Pakistan. It belongs to the Kashmiri people. When Kashmir acceded to India, we made it clear to the leaders of the Kashmiri people that we would ultimately abide by the verdict of their Plebiscite. If they tell us to walk out, I would have no hesitation in quitting. We have taken the issue to United Nations and given our word of honour for a peaceful solution. As a great nation we cannot go back on it. We have left the question for final solution to the people of Kashmir and we are determined to abide by their decision.”

12.In his statement in the Indian Parliament on 7th August, 1952, Pandit Nehru said, “Let me say clearly that we accept the basic proposition that the future of Kashmir is going to be decided finally by the goodwill and pleasure of her people. The goodwill and pleasure of this Parliament is of no importance in this matter, not because this Parliament does not have the strength to decide the question of Kashmir but because any kind of imposition would be against the principles that this Parliament holds. Kashmir is very close to our minds and hearts and if by some decree or adverse fortune, ceases to be a part of India, it will be a wrench and a pain and torment for us. If, however, the people of Kashmir do not wish to remain with us, let them go by all means. We will not keep them against their will, however painful it may be to us. I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir. It is not that we have merely said that to the United Nations and to the people of Kashmir, it is our conviction and one that is borne out by the policy that we have pursued, not only in Kashmir but everywhere. Though these five years have meant a lot of trouble and expense and in spite of all we have done, we would willingly leave if it was made clear to us that the people of Kashmir wanted us to go. However sad we may feel about leaving we are not going to stay against the wishes of the people. We are not going to impose ourselves on them on the point of the bayonet.”

Kashmir’s soul

13.In his statement in the Lok Sabha on 31st March, 1955 as published in Hindustan Times New Delhi on Ist April, 1955, Pandit Nehru said, “Kashmir is perhaps the most difficult of all these problems between India and Pakistan. We should also remember that Kashmir is not a thing to be bandied between India and Pakistan but it has a soul of its own and an individuality of its own. Nothing can be done without the goodwill and consent of the people of Kashmir.”

14.In his statement in the Security Council while taking part in debate on Kashmir in the 765th meeting of the Security Council on 24th January, 1957, the Indian representative Mr. Krishna Menon said, “So far as we are concerned, there is not one word in the statements that I have made in this council which can be interpreted to mean that we will not honour international obligations. I want to say for the purpose of the record that there is nothing that has been said on behalf of the Government of India which in the slightest degree indicates that the Government of India or the Union of India will dishonour any international obligations it has undertaken.” They can file a charge posthumously against Jawaharlal Nehru too: Arundhati Roy

File a charge against Jawaharlal Nehru too: Arundhati Roy | Times of Srinagar

 

[Security]

kARTHIC, Plz show me something from Iranian media. For Iranian official position on IOK and explanation on Iran Leader's statements, the only reliable source is Iranian official media, Leader's own website and IRIB. Plz show me something from Iranian reliable sources.

 

[KS]

kARTHIC, Plz show me something from Iranian media. For Iranian official position on IOK and explanation on Iran Leader's statements, the only reliable source is Iranian official media, Leader's own website and IRIB. Plz show me something from Iranian reliable sources.

The Hindu is one of the most (if not the most) respected newspaper in India and their words are good as gold.

Believe it or not doesnt concern me.

 

[Security]

I won't believe this since it didn't come from Iranian sources.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Dark side of India​

Had the time, money or energy spent on the CWG fiasco been invested to solve the problems of Naxalism, hunger, and poverty, India would have been praised for being really a democracy​

Burhan Majid

Amidst all the public outrage and shame, India hosted the 19th Common Wealth Games (CWG) last month. The Games though aimed at boosting India’s image of an “economic power in making” ended up in a fiasco.

Scams and the scamsters involved in hosting the CWG shadowed the entire event. Indian media, of course, highlighted the malpractices in hosting of the CWG but it tightened its lips when the days got nearer. May be the policy was amended in the interest of ‘nationality’ or ‘national interest’. Now when games are over, New Delhi based media is again up in arms.

The Games, the largest international multi- sport event staged in Delhi have ensued in grave violations of the human rights of the poor. The government resorted to forced evictions of street vendors and closed down shelter homes so as to present a sparkling, spick and span face of Delhi (read India) to the world. It demolished thousands of homes rendering tens of thousands of people down-and-out. It chased street vendors out of the city which resulted in the loss of livelihood opportunities for workers belonging to informal sectors thus affecting a minimum of 3,00,000 taxpayers of India.
According to reports the cost of the Games has turned out to be 114 times higher than the original estimates.

On the other side India was listed 67th out of 84 countries in the Global Hunger Index of 2010 by the International Food Policy Research Institute. India is home to 42 percent of the world’s underweight children and 31 percent of its stunted children as the GHI report suggests. India should ponder over these shocking figures. National conceit, too, has its limits. Imagine had Government of India allocated these huge sums of money (rather a small portion of it) to fight hunger and alleviate poverty it is badly suffering from. This would have really served the cause of democracy. Have they forgotten that 70 percent of their population live their lives for only Rs 20 per day? Somewhere I find relevance to what the known writer-activist Arundhati Roy recently said that “India is a corporate Hindu state”.

Hunger and poverty apart, India is facing the strongest ever public outcry in Kashmir, northeast and the deadly Naxalism in many of its states. While India was all busy in preparing to host the games, the democracy was at its worst in the Himalayan region.

Indian police and paramilitary troopers stationed in the region were on a killing spree to suppress the peaceful public protests thus killing more than 100 youth in less than four months which pushed the unrest to a point of no return. Interestingly, India claims to be the largest democracy on the planet earth.

Democracy, however, doesn’t stand for caging the people for months together, prevent them from offering religious obligations and force them to reel under shortage of life saving drugs and baby foods.

Not only has this Kashmir been left over with much more agonies. Agonies which nothing but painful: a wailing mother being carried on the stretcher carrying her son’s dead body on way to burial; a father shouldering the coffin of his only son. At times the physique is so miniature that the same father has to take him in his lap towards the lush green cemetery. Dreams shattered. Mourning continues. To be very honest writing it in a small piece wouldn’t suffice in as much as Kashmiris have a lot to say about the largest democracy.

There is a belief now on the streets of the valley that India has proved that Kashmiris no longer belong to it. Definitely so! The killings, arbitrary arrests, harassment, and other crimes they are committing against the Kashmiris increased the resentment among the people. So does the presence of draconian laws such as Armed Forces Special Powers Act, Disturbed Areas Act and Public Safety Act. If India needs Kashmiris rather Kashmir then they have to have revisit their policy and approach. In other words they should make Kashmiris feel that they really belong to mainstream India. Otherwise they have to face the wrath from the people.

A question arises here as to what is important and paramount for a country: games which turned out to be the costliest affair or the lives of the people, which constitute the country. There is a need to introspect.

The very recent ‘sedition row’ is the result of this deliberate indifference of India towards the main issues confronted by Indians. Had India left no room for constructive criticism by seriously redressing the issues and grievances? The voices like Arundhati Roy would not have surfaced. However people like Roy merit admiration for voicing the concern confronted by the local Indians, in the broader context, are key to build a more vibrant democracy.

On the other hand, it is quite ludicrous to hear people like who said on a TV debate that “the moment you say that India is occupying Kashmir it amounts to sedition”. Right if this is the golden scale then Pandit Nehru was the first person to be charged with sedition. And the young chief minister of the state is next who falls in the category in the wake of what he said last month on the floor of the State Assembly.

The government of India should think beyond the rigorous of what they call “national pride”. This is the only way out to win the hearts of the people. Had all that (whether time, money or the brains) which was spent on the Common Wealth fiasco been invested with seriousness and honesty to solve the problems of Naxalism, hunger, poverty etc, India would have been praised for being really a democracy. Rather this would have added the real beauty to the Indian democracy. For democracies envisage reaching and listening to the people (even if dissent) rather than organising the stages for corruption and injustice to its own populace in the disguise of the so called development.

Dark side of India

 

[unicorn]

Indian police and paramilitary troopers stationed in the region were on a killing spree to suppress the peaceful public protests thus killing more than 100 youth in less than four months which pushed the unrest to a point of no return. Interestingly, India claims to be the largest democracy on the planet earth.

I think it their democracy that is their root problem.They should get rid of it.

 

[ajtr]

Dark side of India​

Had the time, money or energy spent on the CWG fiasco been invested to solve the problems of Naxalism, hunger, and poverty, India would have been praised for being really a democracy​

Burhan Majid

Amidst all the public outrage and shame, India hosted the 19th Common Wealth Games (CWG) last month. The Games though aimed at boosting India’s image of an “economic power in making” ended up in a fiasco.

Scams and the scamsters involved in hosting the CWG shadowed the entire event. Indian media, of course, highlighted the malpractices in hosting of the CWG but it tightened its lips when the days got nearer. May be the policy was amended in the interest of ‘nationality’ or ‘national interest’. Now when games are over, New Delhi based media is again up in arms.

The Games, the largest international multi- sport event staged in Delhi have ensued in grave violations of the human rights of the poor. The government resorted to forced evictions of street vendors and closed down shelter homes so as to present a sparkling, spick and span face of Delhi (read India) to the world. It demolished thousands of homes rendering tens of thousands of people down-and-out. It chased street vendors out of the city which resulted in the loss of livelihood opportunities for workers belonging to informal sectors thus affecting a minimum of 3,00,000 taxpayers of India.
According to reports the cost of the Games has turned out to be 114 times higher than the original estimates.

On the other side India was listed 67th out of 84 countries in the Global Hunger Index of 2010 by the International Food Policy Research Institute. India is home to 42 percent of the world’s underweight children and 31 percent of its stunted children as the GHI report suggests. India should ponder over these shocking figures. National conceit, too, has its limits. Imagine had Government of India allocated these huge sums of money (rather a small portion of it) to fight hunger and alleviate poverty it is badly suffering from. This would have really served the cause of democracy. Have they forgotten that 70 percent of their population live their lives for only Rs 20 per day? Somewhere I find relevance to what the known writer-activist Arundhati Roy recently said that “India is a corporate Hindu state”.

Hunger and poverty apart, India is facing the strongest ever public outcry in Kashmir, northeast and the deadly Naxalism in many of its states. While India was all busy in preparing to host the games, the democracy was at its worst in the Himalayan region.

Indian police and paramilitary troopers stationed in the region were on a killing spree to suppress the peaceful public protests thus killing more than 100 youth in less than four months which pushed the unrest to a point of no return. Interestingly, India claims to be the largest democracy on the planet earth.

Democracy, however, doesn’t stand for caging the people for months together, prevent them from offering religious obligations and force them to reel under shortage of life saving drugs and baby foods.

Not only has this Kashmir been left over with much more agonies. Agonies which nothing but painful: a wailing mother being carried on the stretcher carrying her son’s dead body on way to burial; a father shouldering the coffin of his only son. At times the physique is so miniature that the same father has to take him in his lap towards the lush green cemetery. Dreams shattered. Mourning continues. To be very honest writing it in a small piece wouldn’t suffice in as much as Kashmiris have a lot to say about the largest democracy.

There is a belief now on the streets of the valley that India has proved that Kashmiris no longer belong to it. Definitely so! The killings, arbitrary arrests, harassment, and other crimes they are committing against the Kashmiris increased the resentment among the people. So does the presence of draconian laws such as Armed Forces Special Powers Act, Disturbed Areas Act and Public Safety Act. If India needs Kashmiris rather Kashmir then they have to have revisit their policy and approach. In other words they should make Kashmiris feel that they really belong to mainstream India. Otherwise they have to face the wrath from the people.

A question arises here as to what is important and paramount for a country: games which turned out to be the costliest affair or the lives of the people, which constitute the country. There is a need to introspect.

The very recent ‘sedition row’ is the result of this deliberate indifference of India towards the main issues confronted by Indians. Had India left no room for constructive criticism by seriously redressing the issues and grievances? The voices like Arundhati Roy would not have surfaced. However people like Roy merit admiration for voicing the concern confronted by the local Indians, in the broader context, are key to build a more vibrant democracy.

On the other hand, it is quite ludicrous to hear people like who said on a TV debate that “the moment you say that India is occupying Kashmir it amounts to sedition”. Right if this is the golden scale then Pandit Nehru was the first person to be charged with sedition. And the young chief minister of the state is next who falls in the category in the wake of what he said last month on the floor of the State Assembly.

The government of India should think beyond the rigorous of what they call “national pride”. This is the only way out to win the hearts of the people. Had all that (whether time, money or the brains) which was spent on the Common Wealth fiasco been invested with seriousness and honesty to solve the problems of Naxalism, hunger, poverty etc, India would have been praised for being really a democracy. Rather this would have added the real beauty to the Indian democracy. For democracies envisage reaching and listening to the people (even if dissent) rather than organising the stages for corruption and injustice to its own populace in the disguise of the so called development.

Dark side of India

Thanks for pointing out atleast india will know now where to improve upon.

 

[The Clarifier]

Socom bhai... no point in this thread.

 

[Nalwa]

I think it their democracy that is their root problem.They should get rid of it.

I dont blame you for holding such opinion. This is what happens when you are ruled by military dictators for too long. You tend to believe their speeches and propaganda against democracy.

 

[BATMAN]

I dont blame you for holding such opinion. This is what happens when you are ruled by military dictators for too long. You tend to believe their speeches and propaganda against democracy.

There is no condition in democracy for not choosing military professional as head of state.
Pakistan always had elected P.M. and if you don't know that than i feel sorry for you.

Subject issue is about dark side of India.
You should understand that it is so dark that their exist no word in dictionary for the acts your army is extending to the Kashmiris.

 

[ajtr]

famous kabir couplet..........................

Nindak niyare rakhiye, Angan kuti chawai,
bin pani sabun bina, nirmal kare subhaiy

نیبصک نیرے رٹکئت آنگن کے چیواای ، بن پانی صابن بغیر نیرمل کرے سوامعو

निंदक नियरे राखिये आँगन कुटी छवाए, बिन पानी साबुन बिना निर्मल करे स्वाभाव

keep you critique near you that will make you know about your weaknesses.

Keep your critiques close to you, let their hut be in your courtyard,
That way you don’t need soap n water to cleanse your nature.

 

[Fireurimagination]

There is no condition in democracy for not choosing military professional as head of state.
Pakistan always had elected P.M. and if you know that than i feel sorry for you.

Sure they can but the one that came to power in Pakistan (Including the so called PMs), where not chosen by the people now where they?

Subject issue is about dark side of India.
You should understand that it is so dark that their exist no word in dictionary for the acts your army is extending to the Kashmiris.

Every country/society/individual on the face of this planet has a dark side and no darkness in/of India is tons brighter than many if not all of the countries of this planet