Karnataka corner!

[Indischer]

Blame game. Who started it, how it can be...basically a blame game. You know by now, seeing all that you see that blame games do not play well with society. Tell me whom does it hurt ? Karnataka, the society, the people. These reasons are made up ones with grudges behind them. psychological hurt. Honestly, in 97% of the cases in this issue, pardon me for saying so, it's plain butthurt, seeing non kanndigas be better than kannadigas at many things they are supposed to be good at. Truth ain't beautiful.

So you mean to say that it's the job of the locals to accomodate and adjust so as to make the migrants feel comfortable, but that the migrants don't have any such responsibility to integrate themselves better? Pardon me, but this is exactly the sort of thinking that's brought support to the language chauvinists. And worst thing is, the moderate ones don't really have much incentive to fight the case on behalf of the migrants.

Besides, it's not like only the cream of the crop have come from outside to settle down south. My plumber and electrician are both outsiders, hardly the dream jobs that Kannadigas need to feel any butthurt about.

 

[KalaGhoda]

So you mean to say that it's the job of the locals to accomodate and adjust so as to make the migrants feel comfortable, but that the migrants don't have any such responsibility to integrate themselves better? Pardon me, but this is exactly the sort of thinking that's brought support to the language chauvinists. And worst thing is, the moderate ones don't really have much incentive to fight the case on behalf of the migrants.

Besides, it's not like only the cream of the crop have come from outside to settle down south. My plumber and electrician are both outsiders, hardly the dream jobs that Kannadigas need to feel any butthurt about.

When did I say that now ? they have responsibilities and they do mix in...when someone hates you for being who you are, reasons will crop up on their own.

Think about this : Merit when is the basis, will not see language and that's where the butt hurt arises. Why Bangalore has thrived ? Why did they set up shops in bangalore ? not because the world was impressed by kannadiga's ability to code and speak english like a bangalorean.They came here for INDIAN resources. They employ indians here, and the Indian government helps them too in Bangalore. And just by being a bangalorean, if someone thinks he can do well because they are coming with jobs from outside to Bangalore, he is in for a shock ! Being from Bangalore counts for zilch in a merit based job in Bangalore. That's where the concept of taking our jobs away comes from. That's what happens when schools do the same with kids, take them based on merit. That's where the concept of taking our schools away comes from. The solution to this is a reservation system where kannadigas should get what they derserve to get by being born and brought up in Bangalore. I'm sure in enough time, we will see this too by political parties offering them reservation for kannadigas in the name of "saving ouooor culture" and "kannada".

I'm not talking about the jobs which have no impact on middle class, the most vocal of the lot.

 

[Indischer]

When did I say that now ? they have responsibilities and they do mix in...when someone hates you for being who you are, reasons will crop up on their own.

Think about this : Merit when is the basis, will not see language and that's where the butt hurt arises. Why Bangalore has thrived ? Why did they set up shops in bangalore ? not because the world was impressed by kannadiga's ability to code and speak english like a bangalorean.They came here for INDIAN resources. They employ indians here, and the Indian government helps them too in Bangalore. And just by being a bangalorean, if someone thinks he can do well because they are coming with jobs from outside to Bangalore, he is in for a shock ! Being from Bangalore counts for zilch in a merit based job in Bangalore. That's where the concept of taking our jobs away comes from. That's what happens when schools do the same with kids, take them based on merit. That's where the concept of taking our schools away comes from. The solution to this is a reservation system where kannadigas should get what they derserve to get by being born and brought up in Bangalore. I'm sure in enough time, we will see this too by political parties offering them reservation for kannadigas in the name of "saving ouooor culture" and "kannada".

I'm not talking about the jobs which have no impact on middle class, the most vocal of the lot.

You're confusing Maharashtra for Karnataka I feel. Kannadigas have no ill-will towards those who come from outside and take our jobs. It's ShivSena's and MNS's schtick. Speak Kannada in Bangalore and nobody considers you an outsider, unlike in Mumbai where even Marathi speaking South Indians were targeted as outsiders usurping local jobs.

 

[KalaGhoda]

You're confusing Maharashtra for Karnataka I feel. Kannadigas have no ill-will towards those who come from outside and take our jobs. It's ShivSena's and MNS's schtick. Speak Kannada in Bangalore and nobody considers you an outsider, unlike in Mumbai where even Marathi speaking South Indians were targeted as outsiders usurping local jobs.

Mumbai and Maharastra have been feeling the heat from 1950's...Bangalore is a baby compared to that, it takes time. Plus, Bangalore has seen the influx in terms of quality rather than quantity compared to Mumbai. That matters. We're talking about people who use their brain for a living. Give enough time, let the quality of Bangalore fall due to politics of language, let predujices take over merit, you'll see in time, there will be a karnataka MNS too. And people will support them for their own selfish reasons, and give kannada as an excuse just like they do today. Kannada is not in danger, neither the kannadiga culture, nor the kannadigas. It's just what it is, plain economic reasons. Just see..Mark my words mate..

 

[Indischer]

Mumbai and Maharastra have been feeling the heat from 1950's...Bangalore is a baby compared to that, it takes time. Plus, Bangalore has seen the influx in terms of quality rather than quantity compared to Mumbai. That matters. We're talking about people who use their brain for a living. Give enough time, let the quality of Bangalore fall due to politics of language, let predujices take over merit, you'll see in time, there will be a karnataka MNS too. And people will support them for their own selfish reasons, and give kannada as an excuse just like they do today. Kannada is not in danger, neither the kannadiga culture, nor the kannadigas. It's just what it is, plain economic reasons. Just see..Mark my words mate..

You're quite mistaken on the population explosion that Bangalore has seen. It's now the third largest city, behind Delhi and Mumbai and ahead of Chennai and Kolkata.

Plus, nobody's saying that Kannada is in danger, but that Kannadigas are feeling alienated in their own land. Two vastly different problems. The former has to do with Kannadigas taking pride in their own culture, while the latter has to do with Kannadigas having to cope with restrictions on usage of their mothertongue in their own land.

 

[KalaGhoda]

nobody's saying that Kannada is in danger, but that Kannadigas are feeling alienated in their own land. Two vastly different problems. The former has to do with Kannadigas taking pride in their own culture, while the latter has to do with Kannadigas having to cope with restrictions on usage of their mothertongue in their own land.

What restrictions ? You mean outsiders encourage them to abandon kannada and their culture ? Please...

"Some" kannadigas are feeling alienated because they don't like outsiders in principle (out of economic reasons stated above) and it is reciprocated. In short, some..somme..kannadigas feel alienated because they think of outsiders as aliens..no pun intended. As simple as that. The rest live their lives as they should, and they know it's a non issue, the issue of languages..as far as Karnataka is concerned. They support merit over ethnicity and benefit from it.

anyway mate, i think i have put forth all that i make of this...this conversation is an endless one, as both you and I know..ciao..

 

[Indischer]

What restrictions ? You mean outsiders encourage them to abandon kannada and their culture ? Please...

"Some" kannadigas are feeling alienated because they don't like outsiders in principle (out of economic reasons stated above) and it is reciprocated. In short, some..somme..kannadigas feel alienated because they think of outsiders as aliens..no pun intended. As simple as that. The rest live their lives as they should, and they know it's a non issue, the issue of languages..as far as Karnataka is concerned. They support merit over ethnicity and benefit from it.

anyway mate, i think i have put forth all that i make of this...this conversation is an endless one, as both you and I know..ciao..

Restrictions as in inability to speak their mothertongue and elicit an apt response, thereby having to switch over to another language for better communication. With outsiders, they're forced to abandon their language in favour of another. Mind you, I'm not saying that someone start speaking fluent Kannada rightaway from the moment they land in Karnataka. But they need to get better over time, and it's possible only when they're motivated to learn it. Now, the nature of motivation is very debatable.

 

[KalaGhoda]

Restrictions as in inability to speak their mothertongue and elicit an apt response, thereby having to switch over to another language for better communication. With outsiders, they're forced to abandon their language in favour of another. Mind you, I'm not saying that someone start speaking fluent Kannada rightaway from the moment they land in Karnataka. But they need to get better over time, and it's possible only when they're motivated to learn it. Now, the nature of motivation is very debatable.

Well, god created non kannadigas too, unfair too...I know ! And the balls of them to come to Karnataka...

Anyway, that's plain whining ! No logic to it. Like I said in my previous posts, some kannadigas are disappointed that being a kannadiga isn't enough in world class Bengaluru, and short of violence they can't prove their superiority. I like it how gulf returnee mallus are taking over the grocery business of Bangalore based on hawala money. See what the kannadigas can do when it is not outnumbered and when it's not a soft target like a north indian...they can't do jacks*** about these mostly muslim mallus. They don't even try to pretend about Bangalore's sentiments and give holidays on fridays instead of sundays like the rest of the country, talk in malayalam loudly, act like mallus on the whole. They live and talk like gulf mallu muslims. Why can't karnataka vedike go ballistic on them ? They know repercussions will be more than they can digest. all that herogiri about kannada is applied to only those who don't gang up and go violent in response. Like I said before, pansies..with a grievance ! not language lovers.

 

[Indischer]

Well, god created non kannadigas too, unfair too...I know ! And the balls of them to come to Karnataka...

Anyway, that's plain whining ! No logic to it. Like I said in my previous posts, some kannadigas are disappointed that being a kannadiga isn't enough in world class Bengaluru, and short of violence they can't prove their superiority. I like it how gulf returnee mallus are taking over the grocery business of Bangalore based on hawala money. See what the kannadigas can do when it is not outnumbered and when it's not a soft target like a north indian...they can't do jacks*** about these mostly muslim mallus. They don't even try to pretend about Bangalore's sentiments and give holidays on fridays instead of sundays like the rest of the country, talk in malayalam loudly, act like mallus on the whole. They live and talk like gulf mallu muslims. Why can't karnataka vedike go ballistic on them ? They know repercussions will be more than they can digest. all that herogiri about kannada is applied to only those who don't gang up and go violent in response. Like I said before, pansies..with a grievance ! not language lovers.

You again assume that we have some sort of racial bias against others. If you've been to stores run by Mallus in Bangalore, you'd have already noticed that they reply in Kannada when talked to in Kannada. Compare this with some of the educated elite, who always initiate a conversation in Hindi wherever they go, and when the person indicates his inability to comprehend Hindi, switch over to English. So you tell me against whom the language chauvinists are naturally bound to harbour a grievance? The Kannada-speaking Mallu grocer or the Kannada-ignorant Microsoft Manager?

 

[KalaGhoda]

do you remember the incident when a KRV guy was beaten up with shoes in Maharashtra when he puffed himself up and went to represent kannada and karnataka in maharastra ? Remember MNS gave out direct threats to kannadigas in Maharastra when KRV threatened to harm marathis in karnataka ? They said "There are more kannadigas in Maharastra than marathis in Karnataka". KRV shut up, hid it's tail and went licking it's wounds.

When the guy hits back hard and resoundingly, kannada lovers shut up and keep quiet.

 

[Indischer]

do you remember the incident when a KRV guy was beaten up with shoes in Maharashtra when he puffed himself up and went to represent kannada and karnataka in maharastra ? Remember MNS gave out direct threats to kannadigas in Maharastra when KRV threatened to harm marathis in karnataka ? They said "There are more kannadigas in Maharastra than marathis in Karnataka". KRV shut up, hid it's tail and went licking it's wounds.

When the guy hits back hard and resoundingly, kannada lovers shut up and keep quiet.

That's because KRV does not represent Kannada lovers in any way. They neither have our mandate nor our trust. Why then should we bat an eyelid when they get beat up by their much more aggressive counterparts? In any case, they're the Karnataka Rakshana Vedike, not the Kannada Rakshana Vedike.

 

[KalaGhoda]

You again assume that we have some sort of racial bias against others. If you've been to stores run by Mallus in Bangalore, you'd have already noticed that they reply in Kannada when talked to in Kannada.

They talk to you in kannada, they talk to me in hindi, they talk among themselves in malayalam. They don't care two little farts about kannada. Malayalam is more inclusive in reality than kannada. They know that.

Compare this with some of the educated elite, who always initiate a conversation in Hindi wherever they go, and when the person indicates his inability to comprehend Hindi, switch over to English.

Maybe he is just reciprocating your attitude, yes ? not discounting there are s***s like that too ? Lesson : There is no generalisation that exists here like it is made out to be. When someone is being a twat, be a twat to him. i usually avoid twats...in real life, I mean they are not worth thinking over, getting angry over and I don't generally give them importance. It's a good way of dealing with people.

 

[Indischer]

They talk to you in kannada, they talk to me in hindi, they talk among themselves in malayalam. They don't care two little farts about kannada. Malayalam is more inclusive in reality than kannada. They know that.



Maybe he is just reciprocating your attitude, yes ? not discounting there are s***s like that too ? Lesson : There is no generalisation that exists here like it is made out to be. When someone is being a twat, be a twat to him. i usually avoid twats...in real life, I mean they are not worth thinking over, getting angry over and I don't generally give them importance. It's a good way of dealing with people.

Nobody cares how much they respect Kannada so long as they're able to comprehend and communicate in Kannada. It's up to Kannadigas to take pride in their language, not Malayalis and vice versa. And oh, I forgot to tell you that our plumber and electrician both speak good Kannada. I've lived in Bangalore long enough to know that it always the low income bracket that learns the local language fastest, as most of their interactions are inevitably with localites. It's always the higher income group that tends to seclude itself away from such troubles, and hence the generalization. As far as learning the local lingo goes, most upper-middle class and high class migrants are twats. Apologies if you're one of them.

 

[KalaGhoda]

Nobody cares how much they respect Kannada so long as they're able to comprehend and communicate in Kannada. It's up to Kannadigas to take pride in their language, not Malayalis and vice versa. And oh, I forgot to tell you that our plumber and electrician both speak good Kannada. I've lived in Bangalore long enough to know that it always the low income bracket that learns the local language fastest, as most of their interactions are inevitably with localites. It's always the higher income group that tends to seclude itself away from such troubles, and hence the generalization. As far as learning the local lingo goes, most upper-middle class and high class migrants are twats. Apologies if you're one of them.

LoL...anyway, good luck to you...i'm getting bored by this topic now...i'll take off from here..

 

[Indischer]

LoL...anyway, good luck to you...i'm getting bored by this topic now...i'll take off from here..

It was fun trolling you. Good day mate!